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This is because in post #32, you quoted Wonderman3 but accidentally deleted the end quote tag. When miched quoted your post in #34, it makes it looks like he quoted Wonderman3. So when Wonderman3 quoted miched, it looks like he quoted you. When Wonderman3 replied to your post above, it looks like he was quoting himself. It is a gift that keeps on giving. LOL :D

 

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Been cruising Celebrity since 1992. In the early years, my luck was similar to that in Vegas - win some; lose some. In recent years, I can't win to save my life (so why do I keep playing:cool:???). My game of choice is video keno. First issue is finding it onboard at all - sometimes there is none and sometimes I will find it on one or two machines. Second issue is that the payouts (and in keno the payouts dictate the odds) are about 1/4 of those in Vegas. Years ago they were the same or similar.

 

I have noticed that most of the time when I walk through the casinos these days they are near empty. I think if they loosened the slots a bit (don't have to pay as much as Vegas, but give me a CHANCE), they would have a lot more people playing and ultimately increase their net earnings as well. But they don't seem to think that way.

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Been cruising Celebrity since 1992. In the early years, my luck was similar to that in Vegas - win some; lose some. In recent years, I can't win to save my life (so why do I keep playing:cool:???). My game of choice is video keno. First issue is finding it onboard at all - sometimes there is none and sometimes I will find it on one or two machines. Second issue is that the payouts (and in keno the payouts dictate the odds) are about 1/4 of those in Vegas. Years ago they were the same or similar.

 

I have noticed that most of the time when I walk through the casinos these days they are near empty. I think if they loosened the slots a bit (don't have to pay as much as Vegas, but give me a CHANCE), they would have a lot more people playing and ultimately increase their net earnings as well. But they don't seem to think that way.

 

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That's exactly why I stopped playing in Celebrity casinos. I don't mind them making money. However their excessive greed takes away the fun of loosing. I believe that's something the bean counters who've never played will ever understand.

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Um, you contradict your own statements. You say that the Gaming Commission (for land based casinos) monitors everything, which they do. So that's how a casino employee could not enrich friends and family, as there are tight controls.

 

 

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Where is the contridiction? They have tight controls. If management could manipulate machines that easy and make them pay off during certain times their family and friends would be aware of that and be in their playing during those times. The commision doesn't know the family and friends. When I applied for my gaming license I wasn't asked for a list of family or friends and they could play in the casino.

 

The contradiction is in your theory. If your theory is correct why did you loose 25% of your bankroll plus putting back all of your winnings?

 

There are many theories that people believe. Play the machine on the end of the banks and play those close to the entrance because they always pay off to show people that they the machines pay off. If it recently paid off don't play it because the money is gone. If it paid off keep playing because it is hot. Watch a machine and if the person is losing play that one after that person left because you will get their money, etc

 

Good Luck 🎰🎲

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Where is the contridiction? They have tight controls. If management could manipulate machines that easy and make them pay off during certain times their family and friends would be aware of that and be in their playing during those times. The commision doesn't know the family and friends. When I applied for my gaming license I wasn't asked for a list of family or friends and they could play in the casino.

 

The contradiction is in your theory. If your theory is correct why did you loose 25% of your bankroll plus putting back all of your winnings?

 

There are many theories that people believe. Play the machine on the end of the banks and play those close to the entrance because they always pay off to show people that they the machines pay off. If it recently paid off don't play it because the money is gone. If it paid off keep playing because it is hot. Watch a machine and if the person is losing play that one after that person left because you will get their money, etc

 

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It should also be pointed out although there is actually a sort of control commission for cruise line casinos, it does not have enforcement power. However, the casinos on ships pretty much follow the rules from the land based casinos. There are a load of myths involving casinos that blow many things right out of the water because of the law and policy. One of those which is very popular is that when you have your players club card in you either win or lose depending on the particular persons theory. Totally bogus as it is against the law for you players club card to have anything to do with winning or losing. This is also an example that cruise lines follow. All these myths are available on the internet through independent sources.

 

Here's a link to some info on cruise line policies.

 

https://www.cruising.org/about-the-industry/regulatory/industry-policies/other/gambling

 

Here's a link with some common myths of slot machines, could find a dozen other web sites very similar.

 

https://www.gamblingsites.com/slots/myths/

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Where is the contridiction? They have tight controls. If management could manipulate machines that easy and make them pay off during certain times their family and friends would be aware of that and be in their playing during those times. The commision doesn't know the family and friends. When I applied for my gaming license I wasn't asked for a list of family or friends and they could play in the casino.

 

The contradiction is in your theory. If your theory is correct why did you loose 25% of your bankroll plus putting back all of your winnings?

 

There are many theories that people believe. Play the machine on the end of the banks and play those close to the entrance because they always pay off to show people that they the machines pay off. If it recently paid off don't play it because the money is gone. If it paid off keep playing because it is hot. Watch a machine and if the person is losing play that one after that person left because you will get their money, etc

 

Good Luck

 

I don't know why people insist on arguing against facts. Here is an article from the New York Times from 2006 when the server based technology was still relatively new. It confirms that they can change payout percentages on machines within guidelines of the gaming commission and only after a machine has been idle for a bit, which is what I had said.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/12/technology/from-the-back-office-a-casino-can-change-the-slot-machine-in.html

 

Now if you want to disagree with my opinion that the cruise ships play fast and loose with the server based technology and change payout percentages far more often than land based casinos and even do it while players are actively playing a machine then we can agree to disagree. But that the technology exists to do it and is being employed by casinos all over the world (managed within guidelines of various gaming commissions) is a fact that cannot be disputed.

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When we cruised the Mercury in 2011 the daily slot winnings posted in Celebrity Today averaged $40,000 per day. On the Equinox it averaged under $20,000 and when I sailed on Eclipse in January, they didn't even post it.

 

Seems like they tightened the slots quite a bit over the years. I stopped playing when the machines stop playing back but sucked up my money. I don't mind losing but I at least want some entertainment.

 

Believe those slot "winnings" they post are gross, not net. Put $5 in a machine, hit a cherry for $1 and the daily winnings go up by $1. Meanwhile you're down $4.

 

In February on the Equinox Mardi Gras cruise participated in a large slot pull with 80 people investing $15 each for a starting bankroll of $1200. We played $3 max on a $1 Wheel of Fortune non-progressive machine. After one round of betting our bankroll had shrunk to $400, a loss of 67%. Simply outrageous. Last year on Eclipse had similar experience in 40 person group losing 70% in one round of betting.

 

Stick with table games.

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I don't know why people insist on arguing against facts. Here is an article from the New York Times from 2006 when the server based technology was still relatively new. It confirms that they can change payout percentages on machines within guidelines of the gaming commission and only after a machine has been idle for a bit, which is what I had said.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/12/technology/from-the-back-office-a-casino-can-change-the-slot-machine-in.html

 

Now if you want to disagree with my opinion that the cruise ships play fast and loose with the server based technology and change payout percentages far more often than land based casinos and even do it while players are actively playing a machine then we can agree to disagree. But that the technology exists to do it and is being employed by casinos all over the world (managed within guidelines of various gaming commissions) is a fact that cannot be disputed.

 

Believe what you want but just answer my question that you seem to continue to dance around. If you have the theory, facts and etc then why did you lose 25% of your bankroll plus what you won?

 

Good luck 🎰🎲

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Believe those slot "winnings" they post are gross, not net. Put $5 in a machine, hit a cherry for $1 and the daily winnings go up by $1. Meanwhile you're down $4.

 

In February on the Equinox Mardi Gras cruise participated in a large slot pull with 80 people investing $15 each for a starting bankroll of $1200. We played $3 max on a $1 Wheel of Fortune non-progressive machine. After one round of betting our bankroll had shrunk to $400, a loss of 67%. Simply outrageous. Last year on Eclipse had similar experience in 40 person group losing 70% in one round of betting.

 

Stick with table games.

 

 

The reason that they can do that is because once you put you put money in or down it isn't yours and you have to win it back. So anything given back is considered a win.

 

Good Luck 🎲🎰

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Believe what you want but just answer my question that you seem to continue to dance around. If you have the theory, facts and etc then why did you lose 25% of your bankroll plus what you won?

 

Good luck 🎰🎲

 

Because I don't work in the casino control room to know exactly when they are going to adjust the percentages up and down or change the volatility of a machine. The facts are that they CAN adjust the payout percentages and are not bound by strict casino commissions as to when they can do it. My theory is that they do it whenever they want throughout a cruise and I have seen the results of this play out by radical shifts in slots from win to lose or vice versa for brief periods of time for multiple players at one time, and I have seen this on multiple cruises. That being said, just knowing that it's being done doesn't mean you are guaranteed to win big as you don't know when they are going to do it. You can notice trends and try playing at those times you see tend to be looser (which I have and it has helped me win) but those are small periods within a longer overall cruise. I'm not propagating any sort of secret to winning. It's all still gambling and you take a chance.

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I don't know why people insist on arguing against facts. Here is an article from the New York Times from 2006 when the server based technology was still relatively new. It confirms that they can change payout percentages on machines within guidelines of the gaming commission and only after a machine has been idle for a bit, which is what I had said.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/12/technology/from-the-back-office-a-casino-can-change-the-slot-machine-in.html

 

Now if you want to disagree with my opinion that the cruise ships play fast and loose with the server based technology and change payout percentages far more often than land based casinos and even do it while players are actively playing a machine then we can agree to disagree. But that the technology exists to do it and is being employed by casinos all over the world (managed within guidelines of various gaming commissions) is a fact that cannot be disputed.

 

The article you cited explains a program that occurred in 2006 involving 16 slot machines in a vegas casino. It is not proof of anything particularly on cruise ship. Do not believe this technology is currently used on cruise ships except maybe some very new ones.

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The article you cited explains a program that occurred in 2006 involving 16 slot machines in a vegas casino. It is not proof of anything particularly on cruise ship. Do not believe this technology is currently used on cruise ships except maybe some very new ones.

 

Here is an article from 2010 outlining a variety of casinos using the technology.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/igt-to-provide-server-based-gaming-system-for-cosmopolitan/

 

The host from NCL I spoke to was in 2009 who said it was planned for Epic when it launched in 2010 which was around the same time all these other casinos were getting it. Ships built from that time period forward I would assume have this technology. Older ships when going into drydock may have had the technology added.

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Some people have to win to keep the suckers coming back. However, basically gambling is for suckers. I live in Vegas. They did not build the multi-billion dollar hotels so they could give away in winnings more than they take in. In the end, the house always wins.

 

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Um, you contradict your own statements. You say that the Gaming Commission (for land based casinos) monitors everything, which they do. So that's how a casino employee could not enrich friends and family, as there are tight controls. That being said, the casino has some leeway within those controls to change payout percentages within a certain range, adjust maximum or minimum bets, change denominations, control things like volatility of a machine (whether a machine gives frequent pays at a lower amount or less frequent pays at a larger amount). There are rules they have to follow but technology has given them a much easier way to change settings than a decade ago when machines all had to be adjusted manually. To bring this back to cruising I know for a fact that the newer ships have server based gaming. When I cruised on NCL Jade in 2009 the casino host told my husband and I that they had been testing out server type systems on their ships at that time and would roll it out in full on a ship when they launched Epic in 2011. He didn't give details about what they would or would not change on machines at any given time but he did confirm the technology was going to be used and I'm sure the other cruise lines have done the same. And you can research all the things that server based gaming can give the casino the ability to do to know what they are capable of. Not every casino is using this technology yet as it costly to retrofit so perhaps where you worked they were not doing this.

 

 

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If you read some of the things in a google search, the land based casinos with the new technology still have to report it to the Casino control commission and the practical aspect is that it is done very, very rarely. Since the cruise ship casino pretty much follow all rules and regulations of land based casinos, I still believe the odds are not changed during the course of a cruise and still stand behind the comments that these new machines are currently not on most cruise ships.

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If you read some of the things in a google search, the land based casinos with the new technology still have to report it to the Casino control commission and the practical aspect is that it is done very, very rarely. Since the cruise ship casino pretty much follow all rules and regulations of land based casinos, I still believe the odds are not changed during the course of a cruise and still stand behind the comments that these new machines are currently not on most cruise ships.

 

 

And I think that they do. Each to our own opinion. Next...

 

 

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  • 4 weeks later...

I won 800 on the first slot role and when they reset the machine I won't another 250 same machine and then 400 on same slot machine.

Yes It was a slot machine. Yes they have them any where you want or can gamble. Vegas fun.

Cruises SOOO much more to do.

As one person did say though... No matter what you play in a casino the house win, at sea, or on land.

I had just been lucky that night.

Sorry for confusing people.

 

 

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I used to love playing the slot machines on a cruise. but not anymore. I don't even go into the casino unless it's the only way I can get from point A to point B on the ship. I have definitely noticed they have tightened them up tremendously. They have squeezed the fun right out of them IMHO. No more for me.

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I used to love playing the slot machines on a cruise. but not anymore. I don't even go into the casino unless it's the only way I can get from point A to point B on the ship. I have definitely noticed they have tightened them up tremendously. They have squeezed the fun right out of them IMHO. No more for me.

 

In Vegas if you do not like the slot machines you can just go to another casino and hope they will be looser. On a cruise ship, there is no alternative.

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