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#21
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For our June cruise this year we also have two Gala Evenings - Black & White Ball and Royal Cunard Ball. The rest are Smart Attire.

As others have said that could be interpreted as smart jeans, smart t-shirt etc.
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Stop Press !!! I had drinks in the Commodore Bar last night ( Q. Vic 26th March) with Angus Struthers , he informs me there is no change in the dress code descriptions. Hopefully, all this sounds like a glitch in the system.
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I just called Cunard and they think the dress policy is changing. My Voyage Personaliser now states Smart Attire for some nights (used to be informal) and Gala Evening for what used to be formal nights.
Will be a couple of weeks until new definition.
I think the changeover will depend on the date of your cruise.
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All this sounds very odd, here we have a 'senior Cunard executive' saying one thing and an agent over a telephone saying something else.
#25
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Not really. If you want to find someone who knows nothing about his company, talk to one of its "Senior Executives". If you really want to know what's going on, talk to the receptionist. There is no way someone just changed these descriptions like that from 17 June onwards without a reason. And "Smart Attire" is a dead giveaway. Oceania calls it "Country Club Casual" which means the YMCA to some.
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Yeah, those phone agents are usually so reliable...
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Originally posted by bluemarble
Just wanted to bring this up in case anyone else has any other ideas about what Cunard may be up to with these new "Gala Evening" and "Smart Attire" dress code designations shown in our voyage personaliser itineraries.

John

Sadly it is obvious that the management of Carnival does not care or understand the culture of Cunard and therefore the only option we have is to vote with our feet.

It pains me to say it but there you have it....
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This is precisely what Carnival has wrought with Holland America Line over the last eight years. Just read the HAL Board and find out the results of that with their core customers. Indeed, I haven't sailed with HAL in eight years for this very reason.
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I haven't taken my first cruise yet, but part of the appeal of Cunard is the formality of it; a throwback to another era. I like the idea of dressing for dinner, even for an informal night, and have been looking forward to it. It would be a shame if "smart attire" means that jeans will be allowed after 6pm.
#30
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Aside from the issue itself (I have the tux right here and I ain't afraid to use it!)
...why am I not afraid that we have cryptic and incomplete info on the website and total silence from Cunard?

Other lines would coordinate the reveal and then would have a flashy positive PR campaign promoting this great change. (Again, I personally don't think changing the code would be great, but the spin would push it that way)

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Originally posted by Bell Boy
Stop Press !!! I had drinks in the Commodore Bar last night ( Q. Vic 26th March) with Angus Struthers , he informs me there is no change in the dress code descriptions. Hopefully, all this sounds like a glitch in the system.
I hope so
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Originally posted by kohl57
Not really. If you want to find someone who knows nothing about his company, talk to one of its "Senior Executives". If you really want to know what's going on, talk to the receptionist. There is no way someone just changed these descriptions like that from 17 June onwards without a reason. And "Smart Attire" is a dead giveaway. Oceania calls it "Country Club Casual" which means the YMCA to some.

I was on a Princess Cruise and they called it:


"Smart Casual
Guest attire should be in keeping with what they would wear to a nice restaurant at home.
  • Skirts/dresses, slacks, and sweaters for ladies
  • Pants and open-neck shirts for men"
Unfortunately to one person smart casual meant a clean T-shirt.

We will have to wait for the new definitions to show up to see what it really means.

I do think if they really change the definitions it will be bad for Cumard. There will end up being no real difference between that line and any of the other mainstream Carnival cruise lines. Really dumb marketing mistake.
#33
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We are also on M22, I've been checking voyage personaliser daily to see what the upcoming formal nights might be as they are something we really enjoy. Perhaps some were interpreting "informal" to mean its dictionary definition, i.e. casual clothing. I quite like the "smart attire" description.
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So we have Informal, Gala Evenings AND Smart Attire! Three dress codes????
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Carnival UK (Cunard and P&O) have been overseen by Stein Kruse of Holland America Group since July so nothing should come as a shock. Dumbing down began made when management changed from Princess to P&O in autumn 2007. It's all about attracting the new demographic and profit.
#37
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No... I think you have two. "Gala Evenings" and "Smart Attire". "Informal" is gone. "Smart Attire" I absolutely guarantee you will be along the lines of Princess Cruises (see the above posting by LB-NJ) which pretty much you wear whatever you darned please. And people do, too. I swear at least a dozen men come to the dining room on Oceania on any given evening wearing baseball caps. And that's going the regs for "Country Club Casual" one better at that.

Anyway, it reminds of the infamous sign, affixed to the bulkhead outside of CANBERRA's Atlantic Restaurant (the old Tourist Class one): "NO HAIR ROLLERS ALLOWED".
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#38
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Originally posted by cruiseluvva
So we have Informal, Gala Evenings AND Smart Attire! Three dress codes????
No, 2 dress codes, Gala Evening and Smart Attire as far as I can tell, but no definitions as yet.
If they feel the need to change the name of the code I’m fairly sure it means that there will be a ‘dumbing down’ of the dress requirements otherwise what would be the point?
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Originally posted by cruiseluvva
So we have Informal, Gala Evenings AND Smart Attire! Three dress codes????
I agree with kohl57 and Glenndale that the "Informal" designation is going away. I had the same reaction about three different dress codes when I saw our voyage M822 lists "Informal (Jacket Required)" for the first evening (June 17) and then "Gala Evening" or "Smart Attire" for the remaining evenings. However, I now interpret that first evening as just being a holdover from the current dress code designations and everything from then on will be called either "Gala Evening" or "Smart Attire".
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Originally posted by cruiseluvva
So we have Informal, Gala Evenings AND Smart Attire! Three dress codes????

Only 2 going forward,
Gala Evenings and Smart Attire.


No clue what "Gala Evenings" mean however I think Smart Attire may be a lessening of the dress code that was "Informal."


I could be wrong however, I do not think it is just a name change.