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Melbourne Australia
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I have just booked a 25 night cruise for next year on the Royal Princess. Did my homework and I found that the prices were the same with Princess Australia and one of the US TA's I use. BUT when I got the quotes........ The US agent gave me $950 On board credit and the deposit from the US was $200pp. So i booked with the US agent. So we do not have an equal playing ground as there was no way I would have got that amount of OBC in Aus. Yes I know that I will have to watch the currencies but I figure that I can use that OBC as leverage against it and we always pay off a cruise when the $ is good.
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IBERIA, ENGLAND TO AUS 1959 32 days
GEMINI, ASIA 11/2000 7 days
CARNIVAL SPIRIT, HAWAII 04/2005 12 days
CARNIVAL SPIRIT, ALASKA 05/2005 7 days
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RHAPSODY OF THE SEAS PACIFIC ISLANDS 11/08 10
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DIAMOND PRINCESS , BANGKOK TO SYDNEY 11/9 19 days
STAR PRINCESS, SANTIAGO RIO FEBRUARY 23RD 2011 15 days
STAR PRINCESS, RIO -FORT LAUDERDALE MARCH 9TH 2011 14 days
DAWN PRINCESS, 1/12 NEW ZEALAND 14 days
SOLSTICE, 11/12 SINGAPORE-SYDNEY 18 days
SOLSTICE 01/13 AUCKLAND-PERTH 19 days
MARINER OF THE SEAS 05/13 BARCELONA-DUBAI 14 nights
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SOLSTICE 11/13 NEW ZEALAND 12 nights
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ROYAL PRINCESS 09/14 BALTICS 12 nights
ROYAL PRINCESS 09/14 COPENHAGEN-NEW YORK VIA ICELAND 15 nights
LEGEND OF THE SEAS 11/15. HONG KONG- BRISBANE 18 nts
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OASIS OF THE SEAS WESTERN CARIBBEAN . 09/04 7 nights
OASIS OF THE SEAS, EASTERN CARRIBEAN. 7nts
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EMERALD PRINCESS, SOUTH PACIFIC. 3/17 11nts
OVATION OF THE SEAS, SINGAPORE-SYDNEY,11/17 14 nts
GOLDEN PRINCESS. SOUTH AUSTRALIA. 1/18, 6nts
SUN PRINCESS. TASMANIA, 2/18 6nts
OVATION OF THE SEAS. SYDNEY-SINGAPORE. 3/17 14 nts



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Originally posted by lizzy77
I have just booked a 25 night cruise for next year on the Royal Princess. Did my homework and I found that the prices were the same with Princess Australia and one of the US TA's I use. BUT when I got the quotes........ The US agent gave me $950 On board credit and the deposit from the US was $200pp. So i booked with the US agent. So we do not have an equal playing ground as there was no way I would have got that amount of OBC in Aus. Yes I know that I will have to watch the currencies but I figure that I can use that OBC as leverage against it and we always pay off a cruise when the $ is good.
$AUD is up buy your USD now! Where are you going on her?

Sue
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Melbourne Australia
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Originally posted by rugbypopsie
$AUD is up buy your USD now! Where are you going on her?

Sue
Come and join us Sue. Sail from the port of Berlin to the Baltics then a transatlantic finishing in New York
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Originally posted by lizzy77
I have just booked a 25 night cruise for next year on the Royal Princess. Did my homework and I found that the prices were the same with Princess Australia and one of the US TA's I use. BUT when I got the quotes........ The US agent gave me $950 On board credit and the deposit from the US was $200pp. So i booked with the US agent. So we do not have an equal playing ground as there was no way I would have got that amount of OBC in Aus. Yes I know that I will have to watch the currencies but I figure that I can use that OBC as leverage against it and we always pay off a cruise when the $ is good.
Good deal, Liz. Makes you wonder just how much commission high volume TAs get, when they can afford to give you $950 OBC and still make a profit.

It is not an equal playing field booking overseas cruises - better deals, lower deposits, refundable deposits until final payment.

Sounds like a great cruise. Do you disembark in Manhattan?
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Melbourne Australia
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Originally posted by MMDown Under
Good deal, Liz. Makes you wonder just how much commission high volume TAs get, when they can afford to give you $950 OBC and still make a profit.

It is not an equal playing field booking overseas cruises - better deals, lower deposits, refundable deposits until final payment.

Sounds like a great cruise. Do you disembark in Manhattan?
Yes, we get off in Manhattan. It's a great transatlantic as it goes via Ireland, Iceland to Canada then to NY. The most sea days we have are 3.
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IBERIA, ENGLAND TO AUS 1959 32 days
GEMINI, ASIA 11/2000 7 days
CARNIVAL SPIRIT, HAWAII 04/2005 12 days
CARNIVAL SPIRIT, ALASKA 05/2005 7 days
CARNIVAL FREEDOM, MED 10/2007 12 days
SAPPHIRE PRINCESS, NEW ZEALAND 02/08 14 days
RHAPSODY OF THE SEAS PACIFIC ISLANDS 11/08 10
RHAPSODY OF THE SEAS , GREAT BARRIER REEF, 12/08 11 days
DAWN PRINCESS, CHERRY BLOSSOM CRUISE CHINA & JAPAN TO SYDNEY 03/09 23 days
DIAMOND PRINCESS , BANGKOK TO SYDNEY 11/9 19 days
STAR PRINCESS, SANTIAGO RIO FEBRUARY 23RD 2011 15 days
STAR PRINCESS, RIO -FORT LAUDERDALE MARCH 9TH 2011 14 days
DAWN PRINCESS, 1/12 NEW ZEALAND 14 days
SOLSTICE, 11/12 SINGAPORE-SYDNEY 18 days
SOLSTICE 01/13 AUCKLAND-PERTH 19 days
MARINER OF THE SEAS 05/13 BARCELONA-DUBAI 14 nights
MARINER OF THE SEAS 05/13 DUBAI-SINGAPORE 11 nights
SOLSTICE 11/13 NEW ZEALAND 12 nights
SOLSTICE PACIFIC ISLANDS 4/14 8 nights
ROYAL PRINCESS 09/14 BALTICS 12 nights
ROYAL PRINCESS 09/14 COPENHAGEN-NEW YORK VIA ICELAND 15 nights
LEGEND OF THE SEAS 11/15. HONG KONG- BRISBANE 18 nts
VOYAGER OF THE SEAS 01/16 FIJIAN ISLANDS 10 nights
OASIS OF THE SEAS WESTERN CARIBBEAN . 09/04 7 nights
OASIS OF THE SEAS, EASTERN CARRIBEAN. 7nts
ISLAND PRINCESS. PANAMA CANAL. 04/16 15 nts
EMERALD PRINCESS, SOUTH PACIFIC. 3/17 11nts
OVATION OF THE SEAS, SINGAPORE-SYDNEY,11/17 14 nts
GOLDEN PRINCESS. SOUTH AUSTRALIA. 1/18, 6nts
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Originally posted by MMDown Under
Good deal, Liz. Makes you wonder just how much commission high volume TAs get, when they can afford to give you $950 OBC and still make a profit.

It is not an equal playing field booking overseas cruises - better deals, lower deposits, refundable deposits until final payment.
And I bet the local cruise line agencies - and Australian TAs - would like to get the same volume as the high volume TAs in the US as well!
Perth Australia
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Originally posted by The_Big_M
And I bet the local cruise line agencies - and Australian TAs - would like to get the same volume as the high volume TAs in the US as well!
I should imagine they would! But that doesnt mean we as Australian cruisers should pay a premium for their shortcomings by them selling to a local market only?

If Australian T/As advertised to US cruisers and were more competitive with their prices they would get a share as well!

If the shoe was on the other foot and Australian T/A,s advertised cruises with better benefits and better $for$ value than US T/As then I am sure many Americans would use the cheaper Australian T/As as Australians cruisers have sought out US T/A,s up until now for the exact same reason! Cost!
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Originally posted by fishtaco
I should imagine they would! But that doesnt mean we as Australian cruisers should pay a premium for their shortcomings by them selling to a local market only?
There'll always likely be some small premium - the more offices, and staff, and regulations you need to follow, the more labour and operating costs you have.

However, I was pointing out though that the reason they can give such discounts (or credits) is due to volume, like the supermarket and Walmart model. High volume = low margin.

There are also many TAs in the US who don't give any extra credits or discounts though. Just like here, they don't get as much cruise specific volume.
Perth Australia
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Originally posted by drewatsea
Apologies if this is a repost but it's a very long thread. Been doing some research and should the same be said about Holden? Or even Subway?
2012 Holden Cruze CD Demo drive away price = $24,888 vs 2012 Chevy Cruze LS Demo MSRP $16,720 (same car... Different badge)
Subway has $5 foot longs sandwiches in the US but here in AUS it's a $7 or $8 dollar foot long.
Cereal, beer, produce... Many other items (you get what in saying)... That are all most times more expensive in AUS. Cost of living? Or do Aussies just pay it because they always have?
No because if an Australian Citizen eats a footlong subway in USA it will cost them the same USA price not the Australian price! a USA cruise sold here in Australia should cost the same as it does in USA because you are consuming the same USA cruise product as USA Citizens are and not a more expensive Australian product
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Originally posted by fishtaco
No because if an Australian Citizen eats a footlong subway in USA it will cost them the same USA price not the Australian price! a USA cruise sold here in Australia should cost the same as it does in USA because you are consuming the same USA cruise product as USA Citizens are and not a more expensive Australian product
except its sold to you where you live not where you consume it.
much like insurance...By the way would you be complaining so much if they charged you less?

Much like airplanes even if you bought in the US there is always someone who paid less than you...
Perth Australia
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Originally posted by The_Big_M
There'll always likely be some small premium - the more offices, and staff, and regulations you need to follow, the more labour and operating costs you have.

However, I was pointing out though that the reason they can give such discounts (or credits) is due to volume, like the supermarket and Walmart model. High volume = low margin.

There are also many TAs in the US who don't give any extra credits or discounts though. Just like here, they don't get as much cruise specific volume.
Then they shouldnt be in the cruise market bussines at our expense but their own!
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Originally Posted by fishtaco
No because if an Australian Citizen eats a footlong subway in USA it will cost them the same USA price not the Australian price! a USA cruise sold here in Australia should cost the same as it does in USA because you are consuming the same USA cruise product as USA Citizens are and not a more expensive Australian product


"except its sold to you where you live not where you consume it."

This is true but a cruise with a USA company should cost what the cruise costs in US Dollars no more no less no matter where you live!

A footlong Subway bought in Australia costs more money to produce than a footlong subway in USA even if its consumed in USA!

A cruise with a US company costs that US company no more than it charges US citizens?
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Originally posted by smeyer418
.By the way would you be complaining so much if they charged you less?
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I expect them to charge the same price to everyone around the world on a given day.
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Globalisation should work for consumers as well as corporations. Those using examples of Subway should work out what a geographically differentiated product is.
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Originally posted by Pushka
I expect them to charge the same price to everyone around the world on a given day.
I agree. I can buy an amtrak ticket for the same price as anyone in the US. I can buy a hotel night for the same price too.
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Originally posted by fishtaco
Then they shouldnt be in the cruise market bussines at our expense but their own!
I'm not sure what you mean. They should only sell cruises if they sell a large volume of them, so can discount their commission? I don't agree with that.
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It is really amusing to me that some folks just don't understand that some of us are happy that we are getting a better deal in the US. Happy to save our money, and just happy to be going on another cruise.
We are all entitled to our opinions however I really can't see why the cost of a Subway has entered the forum
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IBERIA, ENGLAND TO AUS 1959 32 days
GEMINI, ASIA 11/2000 7 days
CARNIVAL SPIRIT, HAWAII 04/2005 12 days
CARNIVAL SPIRIT, ALASKA 05/2005 7 days
CARNIVAL FREEDOM, MED 10/2007 12 days
SAPPHIRE PRINCESS, NEW ZEALAND 02/08 14 days
RHAPSODY OF THE SEAS PACIFIC ISLANDS 11/08 10
RHAPSODY OF THE SEAS , GREAT BARRIER REEF, 12/08 11 days
DAWN PRINCESS, CHERRY BLOSSOM CRUISE CHINA & JAPAN TO SYDNEY 03/09 23 days
DIAMOND PRINCESS , BANGKOK TO SYDNEY 11/9 19 days
STAR PRINCESS, SANTIAGO RIO FEBRUARY 23RD 2011 15 days
STAR PRINCESS, RIO -FORT LAUDERDALE MARCH 9TH 2011 14 days
DAWN PRINCESS, 1/12 NEW ZEALAND 14 days
SOLSTICE, 11/12 SINGAPORE-SYDNEY 18 days
SOLSTICE 01/13 AUCKLAND-PERTH 19 days
MARINER OF THE SEAS 05/13 BARCELONA-DUBAI 14 nights
MARINER OF THE SEAS 05/13 DUBAI-SINGAPORE 11 nights
SOLSTICE 11/13 NEW ZEALAND 12 nights
SOLSTICE PACIFIC ISLANDS 4/14 8 nights
ROYAL PRINCESS 09/14 BALTICS 12 nights
ROYAL PRINCESS 09/14 COPENHAGEN-NEW YORK VIA ICELAND 15 nights
LEGEND OF THE SEAS 11/15. HONG KONG- BRISBANE 18 nts
VOYAGER OF THE SEAS 01/16 FIJIAN ISLANDS 10 nights
OASIS OF THE SEAS WESTERN CARIBBEAN . 09/04 7 nights
OASIS OF THE SEAS, EASTERN CARRIBEAN. 7nts
ISLAND PRINCESS. PANAMA CANAL. 04/16 15 nts
EMERALD PRINCESS, SOUTH PACIFIC. 3/17 11nts
OVATION OF THE SEAS, SINGAPORE-SYDNEY,11/17 14 nts
GOLDEN PRINCESS. SOUTH AUSTRALIA. 1/18, 6nts
SUN PRINCESS. TASMANIA, 2/18 6nts
OVATION OF THE SEAS. SYDNEY-SINGAPORE. 3/17 14 nts



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Originally posted by lizzy77
It is really amusing to me that some folks just don't understand that some of us are happy that we are getting a better deal in the US. Happy to save our money, and just happy to be going on another cruise.
We are all entitled to our opinions however I really can't see why the cost of a Subway has entered the forum

Subway indeed ???

Whats wrong with some Burgernomics?

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Was in the process of transferring my recently booked (2014) Alaska cruise to US TA (good OBC deal), all looked ok except the TA came back today and said that RCCL could not transfer the booking because i had already made a payment in Australian dollars (the deposit). I need to cancel the booking and make a new one with the US agent who will now give me another $150 discount for the effort. Hopefully i won't lose the hump cabin i had.