Why the QM2,QV & QE could not be built in the UK
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Tony Blair’s government of the timeWhat on earth are you talking about? Margaret Thatcher was PM all through the period before and after QE2's engines were replaced: Labour's next election win was in 1997.
What on earth are you talking about? Margaret Thatcher was PM all through the period before and after QE2's engines were replaced: Labour's next election win was in 1997.SilverHengroen was referring to the time period of QM2's construction from 2001 when the first steel plates were cut to late 2003. Margaret Thatcher was British Prime Minister at the time of the conversion of the QE2 from a steamship to a diesel-electric ship in 1986-1987. Regards,Jerry
SilverHengroen was referring to the time period of QM2's construction from 2001 when the first steel plates were cut to late 2003. Margaret Thatcher was British Prime Minister at the time of the conversion of the QE2 from a steamship to a diesel-electric ship in 1986-1987. Regards,JerryWhoops, I misread that one. You don't need to tell me when MT was PM, I was there.
Harland and Wolff of NI (and Titanic, Olympic, Britannic and Canberra fame) did fight very hard to get the QM2 contract. Unfortunately while they still had the expertise for building the vessel, they didn’t have the fitting out capability, and having to subcontract that to another firm made their bid too pricey. That and Tony Blair’s government of the time was obsessed with everyone becoming a service industry employee so didn’t make any special effort to back Harland and Wolff while the French government was behind Chantiers all day long. FWIW, there was never any chance a yard other than Fincantieri would build a Vista Class ship as they were heavily involved with the design too so were very much best placed.I do remember that Harland & Wolff did try very hard to get the contract to build the QM2 but the French shipyard Chantiers just offered the better deal to Cunard. As of today about a decade and a half after the construction of the QM2, Harland & Wolff is no longer in the ship building business and Chantiers is still building ships. Regards,Jerry
In 2011 I toured the Titan Crane at the former John Brown fitting out dock. It was billed as "Glasgow Heritage" as there are museums and monuments to a now dead industry. FWIW, our tour guide blamed obstinance on the part of both labor and management for the demise of shipbuilding in the UK.
One example: making a port hole. In a Glasgow shipyard one man would cut the hole, a second man's job was to put in the frame, and a third had the job of fitting the glass. Japanese shipyard: one man does the whole job and on to the next one.France is a country which has its share of labor/management arguments. But Chantiers de l'Atlantique had nonetheless adapted their techniques and labor practices to competitively and profitably build ships. SS France was welded and not riveted like the Normandie and large sections were prefabricated. And of course QM2 was constructed entirely in welded sections.
Second example: 5PM in a Glasgow shipyard and everyone goes home for the day. 5PM in a Japanese shipyard and the floodlights are switched on and the second shift comes on. The Japanese shipyard can therefore promise much faster delivery.