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Thank you FuelScience for your comment. I am happy to give the community some ideas and was pleased to read that companies are "daring" to include other stops like during the mentioned Viking itinerary with St. Goar and the Loreley rock from the top and on the water, also the Avalon itinerary including Wiesbaden(-Biebrich) - see further above in my series about ports - is a step in that direction. Logistically both are doable alternatives to Rüdesheim in my opinion.

Concerning the excursion boat Düsselschlösschen (see post#258): it sold for 75,050 euros.

Onto weather and river level: it is a pleasant weekend with what we call a "goldener Oktober". Lovely warm with plenty of sunshine and leaves turning from green to all hues of yellow, orange and red (admittedly, brown after three days on the ground). Temperatures will rise to 24 degrees on Sunday and peak on Monday at 25 degrees. Only in sheltered places though, most places will see 21 to 23 degrees Celsius maximum. Rain will be virtually non-existent for the next three days.

River levels on the Rhine look very good, stagnating or varying very little, very reassuring figures.

A perfect sailing weekend on the Rhine, it can hardly get any better on an October weekend.

Enjoy!

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I mentioned St. Goarshausen in post #259. And as I have found companies that use it as a port on river cruises the small town opposite St. Goar is eligible for being entered into my series. Here goes:

Beyond the standard ports... part 10

St. Goarshausen is a pleasant small town opposite St. Goar and right next to the Loreley rock. It is quite old but historically a kind of outpost of St. Goar (hence the similar name) and therefore younger. The wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sankt_Goarshausen
Although only in German this site is interesting to look at for the appealing photos: http://sankt-goarshausen.welterbe-mi...de/startseite/

Who stops there? 1AVista Reisen and Phoenix are the German companies that have St. Goarshausen in an itinerary. Of international ones I could find charters by UK tour operators. As all companies use smaller ships than the 135m ones a restriction on ship length might be in place preventing large ships to stop there. This is something one would need to find out in a phone call with the town council most likely.

It is a pleasant place for a stroll and to watch the river traffic; for more shops and sights one can take the ferry to the other bank, i.e. St. Goar.

notamermaid

P.S.: The river level has fallen as there is no rain, but remains well above anything that could worry river cruisers (and companies).
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A bit off the standard topics but I have linked this story as it has made it into the worldwide news. An old tooth was found in what is called the Ur-Rhein. This means an old riverbed from ancient times - the old course of the Rhine; the river we know today has changed its appearance quite a bit over many thousands of years. I myself live not far from an old riverbed that dried up a few thousand years ago. Here is the story as published by Deutsche Welle: http://www.dw.com/en/archaeology-fos...ory/a-41028029

This find is certainly more significant for mankind than the old steam engine that enthusiasts are still searching for... Although, I would love to see them succeed and unearth (literally) the engine which would then classify as the oldest German steam locomotive in existence.

Onto today and the water levels: Kaub is at 120cm and Koblenz at 115cm which is still above any level that could trouble river cruise ships. The river has "lost" quite a bit of water in the last week as it has been warm without rain, but the weather has changed and rain as well as lower temperatures will mean stagnating or probably slightly rising water levels. It also depends on how much rain falls in the valleys of its large tributaries as well as the Alpine regions of Switzerland in the next couple of days.

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Just to follow this up about the tooth (two in fact). Other experts have come foreward and question the archeologists findings about the teeth. Ape or ape-like creatures? They will now debate the significance of the find further...

To the present day and more importantly things are fine along the Rhine. The water level has fallen only slightly and some rain is coming, which should keep the level from falling further.

Storm warnings are in place for the hilly regions with hurrican-like winds in remote high areas. Storms will hit the valleys tomorrow with a low level warning in place for Cologne for example and the Black Forest. Not a good day for visiting a cuckoo clock workshop perhaps. Temperatures are still in the double digits during the day.

Next week will see the once-in-a lifetime (even less than that) occurence of those two church holidays in Germany, see https://boards.cruisecritic.com/show...0#post54356710 post#12, no doubt resulting in frantic shopping in some "affected" parts of Germany this Monday. Some areas, including border areas of other countries, will experience many day trippers.

Take care when being close to forests and scaffolding (I never trust either in strong winds) and enjoy your river cruises or whereever else you are headed this weekend.

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Notamermaid,

Your information is amazing! We are scheduled for Basel to Trier on March 17 next year. Will you be doing water level reports then. Thank you.
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Hello tobique33040,

thank you. Perhaps I should start a thread for 2018... If all goes well and if popular demand on CC keeps up (thank you everyone who has expressed their interest in the 2017 thread) I shall start reporting in February with some miscellaneous info and in March about water levels.

You will be one of the first sailings on the Rhine of all the river lines at an often still cool time of year (brrr) and flooding can happen. But on the good side, you will not experience the large crowds and not so much rafting.

Remember, you can add yourself to a roll call, where there is some great info on little details to be found for your cruise (being so early you will need to take advantage of what 2017 cruisers have shared). If there is no roll call yet for a 2018 sailing you can start your own thread. As you are going Basel to Trier I suggest you make that clear in the name not just "Rhine sailing" or something. It would not do the beautiful Moselle justice.


On the subject of the Moselle perhaps you might like to have a look at this thread: https://boards.cruisecritic.com/show....php?t=2353480

Have a great time planning and sailing.

notamermaid

PS: Love the cat photo. I have a lovely black cat living next door who will no doubt greet me happily next time she has a stroll through our yard.
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notamermaid, I really will be looking forward to your reports next year we finally get off on our cruise. I am hoping for a "normal" winter for you guys over there so water levels are good.

Thanks for all your reports & bits of info you supply, they are quite interesting, and I am enjoying leaning the odd bits about the river.
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Hi Notamermaid,
Thank you for your note. I do hope you can do the 2018 river levels as many people benefit from your firsthand experience and information. Yes, it will be cold in March, but if there are fewer crowds that will make the travel easier I expect. I am looking forward to researching during the coming months and will check out the thread you suggested. Thanks again for so kindly sharing your knowledge with all of us. Thomas the Cat says hello
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Originally posted by tobique33040
Hi Notamermaid,
Thank you for your note. I do hope you can do the 2018 river levels as many people benefit from your firsthand experience and information. Yes, it will be cold in March, but if there are fewer crowds that will make the travel easier I expect. I am looking forward to researching during the coming months and will check out the thread you suggested. Thanks again for so kindly sharing your knowledge with all of us. Thomas the Cat says hello
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Hello Daisi,

thank you for your kind words. Hope we get a little bit of flooding actually, in February, to get it over with and leave some water in the river for early Summer, that would be best! I expect your winter will be a little colder than ours.

Hello tobique33040,

thank you for your kind words. Mimmy the cat has been around but the last two days I think she has preferred to stay indoors to develop her winter fur. It is getting cold, I wore my gloves today for the first time this season.


Hello hostjazzbeau,

thank you. I think I cannot keep from reporting in 2018 now.

In the present, well, not much to report actually. The storm I mentioned on 28th October caused again more damage in the North of Germany than along the Rhine. The unusual holiday week last week caused a bit of confusion in brain routines - friends saying that they had problems on waking figuring out if they have to got to work or not - but this week is back to normal apart from the fact that we are reminded of remembrance days for the (war) dead coming up. Both Jewish history and Volkstrauertag: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkstrauertag

The water level is keeping above 100cm and below 150cm at Kaub and Koblenz. That is a bit low for commercial shipping (problems with how much load a barge can carry) but is fine for river cruising. It is perceived as a little low by locals but as regards the gauging stations it is not official low water status.

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Originally posted by notamermaid
Hello Daisi,

thank you for your kind words. Hope we get a little bit of flooding actually, in February, to get it over with and leave some water in the river for early Summer, that would be best! I expect your winter will be a little colder than ours.

It is getting cold, I wore my gloves today for the first time this season.



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So glad to hear you will keep up with your interesting thread. I was thinking of your bomb reports the other day when I saw the report about the gentleman who mistook a large zucchini with an old war bomb.....I guess they get found quite a lot, and to be honest, I would much rather call the authorities and have them find out it's a veg than dig it up and discover it's a bomb!

Winter unfortunately is on it's way, we have hit the -C temps for over night, but so far days are still rising above the 0 temps. I guess we can't avoid it. Oh well, guess it just means Spring will be on it's way eventually.

Thanks for all your reports
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Hello Daisi,

I have found the "zucchini or WWII bomb" story: http://www.dw.com/en/wwii-bomb-scare...ini/a-41229185

When you scroll down you will find some explanations on what is termed "unexploded ordnance" and if one wants to get to the real life stories on previously discovered bombs there are more to click on further down.

The sky yesterday and today fitted the somber mood of November and remembrance days, it is cold, wet and slightly windy around here. More rain will come in the next three days and temperatures will stay in the single digits in many places during the day. Cologne will see 10 degrees Celsius, being one of the warmest places in general in Germany and in the next three days especially. The Feldberg mountain in the Black Forest at a height of 1,493 metres will see gales and snow. It is a popular area for skiing and for those with a greater interest in the area (remember, the Black Forest is usually accessed on river cruises from Breisach) here is the wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feldberg_(Black_Forest)

The water level has not been affected much and is still medium to slightly low throughout France and Germany.

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Interesting read about the unexploded bombs. I didn't realise that such a large number were "duds". Sad to see how many have passed trying to defuse them, hopefully they will be able to use robotics soon and save lives. I realise that it's an annoyance having to evacuate all the time when one is found, but I guess it's better than having more injuries/deaths.
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Info to post #259 Beyond the standard ports... part 9 concerning St. Goar

I wrote: "... Viking has chosen St. Goar as a stop on its fairly new itinerary Paris to the Swiss Alps. It is a convenient vantage point for the offered excursion up to the Loreley rock. Which would mean a ferry ride across or the ship letting passengers get off the ship at a short stop at St. Goarshausen."

This no longer applies as Viking has changed the itinerary and no longer does this stop and excursion. The reason is given in this thread: https://boards.cruisecritic.com/show....php?t=2560311


We are having miserable weather this weekend and people are complaining, winter blues is affecting some already, but the Karneval guys are defying the cold and rain. It is the "11.11." today, the official start of the crazy merry season and the fans are walking around in uniform or costume, celebrating with music, food, drink and speeches. Me, I just feel like hibernating!

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The water level literally doubled within 48 hours at Kaub and Koblenz from the 12th to the 14th. I was getting slightly nervous... But the level has already peaked upstream in the Upper Rhine valley and is going down again. Maxau gauge at kilometre 362.3 was on low flooding status but has gone down by quite a few centimetres, meaning the situation has eased. Koblenz and the Middle Rhine valley look as if the peak has been reached. Bonn and downstream are still rising but this should not lead to any significant flooding.

To give you an idea in figures: Kaub was at 158cm on the 12th at 8am and 332cm on the 14th at 8am. Kaub right now is at 386cm and stagnating.

Hardly any rain is forecast for the Rhine valley in the next three days so things are looking o.k.

This is the little building that plays such a major role in telling the shipping industry what the river is doing: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxau#...Pegelmaxau.jpg

notamermaid

P.S.: I hope the high level has not led to any of you cruisers getting stuck before a low bridge. There are a couple along the way.
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Johann Gottfried Tulla and the straightening of the Rhine ... and mass tourism

I am going back in time a bit, to 1817, when the Rhine valley looked different from today. Quite a while ago I mentioned that Amsterdam was only established as a river cruise port fairly recently, Rotterdam - being the mouth of the river or more accurately the delta - had been the harbour for goods and people travelling into Germany and the Rhine valley. From Rotterdam the first steam ships made attempts to sail, i.e. steam, up the Rhine, a tricky business against the current, and the "Defiance" only got as far as Cologne in 1816. In 1817 James Watt jr. on his "Caledonia" managed to get as far as Koblenz. It would take another few years before anyone got any further upstream.

Meanwhile, Lord Byron in 1816 and William Turner in 1817 had made the Rhine valley extremely popular, kicking off mass tourism and increasing the demand in passenger travel.

But how to get further, with the rocks protruding at Bingen and the upper valley a treacherous, swampy, ever-changing course with flooding and no constant channel to speak of?

2017 not only marks the bicentenary of Turner's travels and a steam ship reaching Koblenz but also the appointment of Johann Gottfried Tulla, a German engineer and military man, to the post of director of (in wikipedia's wording) "the Oberdirektion des Wasser- und Straßenbaues (Directorate of Water and Road Construction)". Having previously been working on straightening and changing the courses of small rivers, he was now able to embark on his biggest project: the straightening of the Rhine. Most of the "corrections" and changes in the course of the river in the Upper Rhine valley are down to his plans which he started to draw up in 1809 and put into practice from 1817. Here is an article on the project: https://www.thelocal.de/20171017/how...-tourist-haven

It is mainly due to Tulla's vision and endeavours that we are able to sail the Upper Rhine valley in comfort. Here is the English wikipedia entry on Tulla (if you feel like seeing a few more photos - the German entry is a little longer): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Gottfried_Tulla

Oh, and not forgetting: the river level has fallen, Maxau is fine and downstream all the gauging stations in Germany show pleasantly low figures.

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Preparations for the Christmas markets are well underway, huts have been put up, decorations in the streets have been prepared for Monday, when they can officially be lit, i.e. after Sunday of the Dead, and some markets have opened already. They have to close on Sunday in Germany, as it is a "quiet day" without dancing, official meetings and shopping. Alsace in France and the Netherlands could well have different rules. This is a nice website for Alsace during Christmas time: https://noel.tourisme-alsace.com/en

It has been raining a bit during the last three days but not enough for the river to react with high water levels. The level will rise a bit as more rain and a bit of snow in the high hills is forecast. Things are looking o.k. right now, Maxau is at 464cm, Kaub is at 215cm and Koblenz at 225cm. Predictions for the next 48 hours also look favourable, with a quite a variability put into predictions though. It looks as if the Southwest of Germany will get quite a bit of rain and depending on whether this comes down purely as rain and where, will determine how much the river will rise in the Upper Rhine valley.

I have resisted the temptation of buying "Weihnachtsplätzchen", Christmas biscuits, from my local baker, they have been looking at me, just sitting there on the counter, saying "Buy me, eat me!" for a week. I refused but Monday when the Christmas season starts I will walk very fast to the baker's and say, "I would like a bag of those and a bag of those and..."

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