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I might go to Boston or Florida to depart but NY is much easier.
If I am to travel, it opens up the possibilities to many other lines.
NCL was the easiest as it is right in NY. I know other lines are as well but NCL
seems to have a greater NY presence than the others.
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I love the Dawn, it's probably my favorite NCL ship! We've sailed her several times from Boston and once from Florida, and also her sister ship Star a couple of times. Gem is fine too, and it'll be nice to have something different out of Boston since that's our closest port, but I'll definitely still drive to NY to hop on the Dawn if she has a decent itinerary.
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Originally posted by geegee1
I care more about what ship is sailing out of where since I try to only cruise out of the NY area. I would think that the itineraries will probably be the same as what the Gem was sailing.
i am the same way. the ship is more important for me then the itineraries. itineraries out of NYC is limited to compared to other ports
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#24
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Originally posted by Buford T Justiice
No Great Outdoors is a major downer for us.
Totally agree! It's pretty much our favorite spot on the Jewel class ships.

Dawn replacing Gem is NY is definitely a downgrade for the Big Apple.
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I don't see us cruising on the Dawn again. This ship is the first NCL ship we cruised in 2002, and several times afterwards out of NY.

Although we enjoyed those early cruises we prefer Jewel class ships with the Great Outdoors. When we were on Dawn they did have the Spinnaker and loved it there. I can't believe it was removed.

Oh well, we'll see how the Escape is next year.


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#26
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Originally posted by dexddd
Hi MKing - how is it going? We've sailed Star twice and Dawn once and really don't have much desire to sail them again. Jewel class ships are nicer IMO and Boston came out ahead in this one.
Have a wonderful Xmas and New Year!
All is well with us here lately, Merry X'mas & New Year to you and yours.

On topic - thanks for clearing it up, never sailed the Spirit. Well, the non mega ships are all "maturing" - getting older in another 2 years but we still like the mid sized ships, for variety of reasons ... thus, an early booking on the Gem for next Spring, at 5 months out (that is "early" for us) - will cruise her at least 1 more time before she head north to Beantown. The regulars sailing out of the Back Bay are happier for the change ... well, maybe.

Here in NY, I don't know what else can NCL substitute ... the Jewel is doing Asia in between Alaska, etc. I think. Now, I do have one crazy idea that popped up - repo the Joy to NYC instead, substitute that market with a mid-sized in 2019, or, maybe leave the Jewel permanently to plow in Asia ?? Been keeping eyes on the Joy booking for X'Mas & New Year 2017 - looked like they are having trouble selling balconies & higher categories in their niche market for the holidays, when schools are out and more "affluent" families can afford to splurge - fairly good # of unsold cabins, cheap enough at Sail Away Rates (not that we would consider it, not at all.) On the other hand, the Joy's design & layout will create tons of complaints and problems for a mixed mosaic market like NY ... namely, the lack of pool & sun deck space, 2 floors of smokey?? casino and all that duty-free shopping, unless they can do some remodeling with a quick dry dock. Wishful & crazy thinking, maybe not Bob B is thinking about the Bliss, now - the Joy got the $$ bumper cars on the top deck ... put part of Coney Island's Broadwalk on it ...

We did Mexico & Alaska on the Star like 10 years ago - while it will have more "amenities" compared to the Dawn, probably not a deal maker for many looking for extra bells & whistles

Given the pricing seen this year for off-season, off-peak and late bookings, not sure that it will be "profitable" for NCL to put 2 mega ships in the NY market

On a side note, dearest SIL doing well with cyber & chemo ... minor side effects, blessed with plenty TLC. Too early for outcome & LT prognosis but in good spirit & hopeful. Was a good call to cancel part 2 of our Fall vacation, only took a moderate cancellation penalty for 6 of us. Regards
#27
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Originally posted by mking8288
All is well with us here lately, Merry X'mas & New Year to you and yours.

On topic - thanks for clearing it up, never sailed the Spirit. Well, the non mega ships are all "maturing" - getting older in another 2 years but we still like the mid sized ships, for variety of reasons ... thus, an early booking on the Gem for next Spring, at 5 months out (that is "early" for us) - will cruise her at least 1 more time before she head north to Beantown. The regulars sailing out of the Back Bay are happier for the change ... well, maybe.

Here in NY, I don't know what else can NCL substitute ... the Jewel is doing Asia in between Alaska, etc. I think. Now, I do have one crazy idea that popped up - repo the Joy to NYC instead, substitute that market with a mid-sized in 2019, or, maybe leave the Jewel permanently to plow in Asia ?? Been keeping eyes on the Joy booking for X'Mas & New Year 2017 - looked like they are having trouble selling balconies & higher categories in their niche market for the holidays, when schools are out and more "affluent" families can afford to splurge - fairly good # of unsold cabins, cheap enough at Sail Away Rates (not that we would consider it, not at all.) On the other hand, the Joy's design & layout will create tons of complaints and problems for a mixed mosaic market like NY ... namely, the lack of pool & sun deck space, 2 floors of smokey?? casino and all that duty-free shopping, unless they can do some remodeling with a quick dry dock. Wishful & crazy thinking, maybe not Bob B is thinking about the Bliss, now - the Joy got the $$ bumper cars on the top deck ... put part of Coney Island's Broadwalk on it ...

We did Mexico & Alaska on the Star like 10 years ago - while it will have more "amenities" compared to the Dawn, probably not a deal maker for many looking for extra bells & whistles

Given the pricing seen this year for off-season, off-peak and late bookings, not sure that it will be "profitable" for NCL to put 2 mega ships in the NY market

On a side note, dearest SIL doing well with cyber & chemo ... minor side effects, blessed with plenty TLC. Too early for outcome & LT prognosis but in good spirit & hopeful. Was a good call to cancel part 2 of our Fall vacation, only took a moderate cancellation penalty for 6 of us. Regards
Certainly wouldn't mind seeing the Jade come to NYC like she was suppose to I thought years back. Bliss would work considering she's designed for cold weather.
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The Dawn won't be in NYC in the winter of 2019.It Repo's to San Juan.That leaves one ship in N.Y.,the Escape.Since it is the only ship in town the sailing prices could be higher.To me the Escape is the Breakaway with another deck of staterooms.I've been on the Breakaway twice and i thought it was way to crowded.The Escape will probably feel worse.
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Originally posted by craigers
The Dawn won't be in NYC in the winter of 2019.It Repo's to San Juan.That leaves one ship in N.Y.,the Escape.Since it is the only ship in town the sailing prices could be higher.To me the Escape is the Breakaway with another deck of staterooms.I've been on the Breakaway twice and i thought it was way to crowded.The Escape will probably feel worse.


Did they announce the rest of Gems 2019 itineraries ? Yesterday it looked like there were still gaps in Winter. I was hoping Gem would reposition back to NYC for the Winter.


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#30
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Originally posted by craigers
The Dawn won't be in NYC in the winter of 2019.It Repo's to San Juan.That leaves one ship in N.Y.,the Escape.Since it is the only ship in town the sailing prices could be higher.To me the Escape is the Breakaway with another deck of staterooms.I've been on the Breakaway twice and i thought it was way to crowded.The Escape will probably feel worse.


Did they announce the rest of Gems 2019 itineraries ? Yesterday it looked like there were still gaps in Winter. I was hoping Gem would reposition back to NYC for the Winter.


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Originally posted by mking8288
All is well with us here lately, Merry X'mas & New Year to you and yours.

On topic - thanks for clearing it up, never sailed the Spirit. Well, the non mega ships are all "maturing" - getting older in another 2 years but we still like the mid sized ships, for variety of reasons ... thus, an early booking on the Gem for next Spring, at 5 months out (that is "early" for us) - will cruise her at least 1 more time before she head north to Beantown. The regulars sailing out of the Back Bay are happier for the change ... well, maybe.

Here in NY, I don't know what else can NCL substitute ... the Jewel is doing Asia in between Alaska, etc. I think. Now, I do have one crazy idea that popped up - repo the Joy to NYC instead, substitute that market with a mid-sized in 2019, or, maybe leave the Jewel permanently to plow in Asia ?? Been keeping eyes on the Joy booking for X'Mas & New Year 2017 - looked like they are having trouble selling balconies & higher categories in their niche market for the holidays, when schools are out and more "affluent" families can afford to splurge - fairly good # of unsold cabins, cheap enough at Sail Away Rates (not that we would consider it, not at all.) On the other hand, the Joy's design & layout will create tons of complaints and problems for a mixed mosaic market like NY ... namely, the lack of pool & sun deck space, 2 floors of smokey?? casino and all that duty-free shopping, unless they can do some remodeling with a quick dry dock. Wishful & crazy thinking, maybe not Bob B is thinking about the Bliss, now - the Joy got the $$ bumper cars on the top deck ... put part of Coney Island's Broadwalk on it ...

We did Mexico & Alaska on the Star like 10 years ago - while it will have more "amenities" compared to the Dawn, probably not a deal maker for many looking for extra bells & whistles

Given the pricing seen this year for off-season, off-peak and late bookings, not sure that it will be "profitable" for NCL to put 2 mega ships in the NY market

On a side note, dearest SIL doing well with cyber & chemo ... minor side effects, blessed with plenty TLC. Too early for outcome & LT prognosis but in good spirit & hopeful. Was a good call to cancel part 2 of our Fall vacation, only took a moderate cancellation penalty for 6 of us. Regards
Thanks for the thoughts about ships and update on SIL.
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Originally posted by geegee1
I care more about what ship is sailing out of where since I try to only cruise out of the NY area. I would think that the itineraries will probably be the same as what the Gem was sailing.
I totally understand for those who live anywhere near a port but so many of us cruisers live in the middle of the country or regions where there are no ports we have to adjust. The Dawn isn't my favorite ship either, but we are cruising her in May because it was an itinerary we decided we wanted to try and know we will be just fine.
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For those who prefer the Gem over the Dawn, why? They seem to be almost identical in size. Both recently been through dry dock. Seem to have similar amenities. I am going to book the Gem for 2019, but I am wondering why so many see it as such an upgrade. I thought the Dawn was pretty good when I went on her last year.

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Dawn does not have the great outdoors at sft deck 12 as it has a big kids pool area there.

Dawn's pool deck is also built differently to Gem and other Jewel class ships, it feels much much more noisy. Dawn is also missing the forward facing nightclub/lounge at deck 13.

The two ships are actually quite significantly different with their deck to deck layout although they are the same size.


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We will gladly take the Dawn in Texas if you don't want her.


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The Dawn only sails out of the Northeast during the summer right now and then out of Florida and San Juan during cooler months. What ship will be sailing the Florida/San Juan itineraries? Will that change too?

I was amazed when I started reading this thread, because we just got off the Dawn and we absolutely loved it. Most beautiful ship we'd been on yet. I was shocked to hear it is "so old" and a "huge downgrade." It's age doesn't show at all - I couldn't detect any wear and tear and everything looks renovated and new. I've been bragging to everyone how awesome it is since we got back. We are booking another cruise on the Dawn today for March out of Tampa. I can understand losing some amenities being upsetting, but some people are making the Dawn sound like a rustbucket. And the only amenity I missed and wished it had was the new go karts (going to book the Bliss next so we can try that), although we were so busy on the Dawn I'm not even sure we would have had time for anything else.

If there's anyone reading this post right now who has not sailed the Dawn and is mortified that it's a giant hunk of scrap metal after reading these threads, please don't panic! Rest assured it is a beautiful, modernly renovated ship with many (though not all) amenities, and it was the best ship we'd ever been on. I will be happy with either ship sailing out of Florida and San Juan in the winter, but curious in case anyone knows how this will affect the winter sailings?

If I don't want to sail on a particular ship I just drive to another port and sail on the one I want. Luckily Boston is not that far from NYC. We usually drive from the DC area to Florida to cruise. It could be worse.
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I'll be the positive person. We loved the Dawn, and I'm wishful that an older ship will mean some lower prices out of NYC! I like the older/smaller ships because they seem more personal.
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