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#41
Georgia
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Originally posted by Keys2Heaven
To follow your train of thought, do you think Carnival evaluated this measure and is thinking that perhaps it will drive folks from their cabins back into the public areas where they will spend money?
At first blush, that seems like a stretch. I do the kind of work on which such decisions are made. The first level of consideration would be, as you would expect, a straight-up cost/benefit analysis: How much does retransmission cost, versus how much passenger revenue is likely affected by offering that retransmission? Now, think about it: If a survey for a cruise line asked respondents to put ten offerings in order of importance to them, including dining, pools, bars, casino, kids clubs, spa, etc., and in-cabin broadcast television, how many surveys would have in-cabin broadcast television in the top half? Probably very few.

Having said that, it is possible that what you're suggesting was a factor: A goal was set to increase passenger engagement in bars, casinos, etc. There are two ways to do that: Increase the attractiveness of passenger engagement opportunities (which represents additional cost), or decrease the attractiveness of what passengers do instead of engaging with public offerings (which, in this case, actually represents decreased cost - a double advantage). Of course, there's a risk there (that eliminating the broadcast networks could adversely affect bookings overall), but does anyone really think that that would have a high probability and a high severity?

And that's one of the insidious aspects of optimization: Often the "right thing" to do for the business is something that is both a bad thing for consumers and something for which we consumers really cannot defend a claim that that "right thing" shouldn't be done. It is the kind of thing that results in us ending up shoe-horned into 17" wide seats on aircraft and using small towels in economy motels. On the other hand, it is also what fosters layers of luxury options higher than the optimized option. In the case of Carnival, it fosters Princess and Holland America. And if they ever do the same, that would foster Cunard and Seabourn.
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#42
Enosburg Falls, VT
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Originally posted by bUU
At first blush, that seems like a stretch. I do the kind of work on which such decisions are made. The first level of consideration would be, as you would expect, a straight-up cost/benefit analysis: How much does retransmission cost, versus how much passenger revenue is likely affected by offering that retransmission? Now, think about it: If a survey for a cruise line asked respondents to put ten offerings in order of importance to them, including dining, pools, bars, casino, kids clubs, spa, etc., and in-cabin broadcast television, how many surveys would have in-cabin broadcast television in the top half? Probably very few.

Having said that, it is possible that what you're suggesting was a factor: A goal was set to increase passenger engagement in bars, casinos, etc. There are two ways to do that: Increase the attractiveness of passenger engagement opportunities (which represents additional cost), or decrease the attractiveness of what passengers do instead of engaging with public offerings (which, in this case, actually represents decreased cost - a double advantage). Of course, there's a risk there (that eliminating the broadcast networks could adversely affect bookings overall), but does anyone really think that that would have a high probability and a high severity?

And that's one of the insidious aspects of optimization: Often the "right thing" to do for the business is something that is both a bad thing for consumers and something for which we consumers really cannot defend a claim that that "right thing" shouldn't be done. It is the kind of thing that results in us ending up shoe-horned into 17" wide seats on aircraft and using small towels in economy motels. On the other hand, it is also what fosters layers of luxury options higher than the optimized option. In the case of Carnival, it fosters Princess and Holland America. And if they ever do the same, that would foster Cunard and Seabourn.
Rather than surveys they maybe used real time data from the ships if their system is set up to capture such data (i.e. how many times cabin TVs were tuned to those channels). I'm not technologically savvy enough to say their equipment would capture that info, but I know enough to realize that it is at least a strong possibility.
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#43
Miami
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Smart move for Carnival to lower their operating costs by not giving in to never ending retransmission fee hikes. As a cord cutter I am happy to see companies standing up to these media companies. But I wonder if Carnival forgot to consider the age group of many long term cruisers since older generations are used to watching the "tube" and may not like the idea of going without these channels. Lets see how this plays out
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#44
ummm....jersey
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Well, I'm one of the people it affects.....at least to a small degree. I enjoy watching a football game from my balcony: chair facing the repositioned TV, bucket of beer between my feet, sounds of the sea washing up against the ship, and my own personal bathroom mere steps away.

I do enjoy sitting at the Sky Box bar too. It was just nice to have the option.
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#45
Virginia
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With the addition of more affordable Internet plans, many people get their news online. I rarely watch the news at home. However, when on the cruise we do like to wind down at night by watching a little TV before bed.


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#46
Sacramento Ca
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Joined May 2009
Originally posted by teknoge3k
That stinks. We sleep with a TV on and on our last cruise we woke up the next morning to a high speed chase in Miami. It was fun watching it on tv.
I love watching those, saw a good one this morning in los angeles area.
#47
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I can remember watching Prince William and Kate get married while aboard the freedom. I think it was very early in the morning if I remember correctly. That's probably the only time I've watched tv in the stateroom...besides the ship channel or a quick glance at the weather.


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#48
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Originally posted by sparks1093
Since CCL wants to get you to spend as much time in the casino as possible that's probably not a good argument to make in order to make them pay for the channels that are being cut.

I cruise to get away from the real world for awhile so I won't miss the channels at all.

Believe me, I spend way too much time in the casino as is. I've cruised using their casino offers for the last 3-4 years (and yes I know I'm not getting anything for "free"). But, I spend the same amount in the casino as I did when I was paying full fare, so for me it's a "win."

In reference to them paying for channels, I don't blame CCL at all. They do keep going up in price and I applaud companies that refuse to keep paying.

Heck, I'm old enough to remember cruising (and working on the ships) when you had no idea what was going on in the outside world. Funny story - when Ronald Reagan was shot, the Captain (who was Italian of course) made an announcement from the bridge - he said something about having bad news that the president had been shot & he would keep everyone advised of his condition. I was working in the Gift Shop at the time, and a passenger asked me "does he mean his president or ours?" It was so funny!! Cruising then meant truly getting away from it all.
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#49
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You can still watch TV just not ABC, NBC and CBS.
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#51
N. California
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More Carnival cutbacks. Not surprised. Don't watch much TV on a cruise but I do like to tune in once in a while. Disappointing news. I see paper plates in Carnival's future.
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#52
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It's not like Carnival is charging less than it's competition for its cruises. I'm talking about the newer ships. In a lot of cases, they are more than NCL, RCCL,Celebrity, and Princess. At least with some of them you also get perks, which is a dirty word in Carnival's vocabulary. I didn't mention HAL, because of the vastly different demographics, or MSC, who has very low prices to attract cruisers from the other lines, including Carnival.
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#53
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Would also be nice if the closed circuit cameras, pool deck, bridge view etc stopped using potato cams and got some high def cameras, they are inexpensive these days. Whatever resolution the tv can support, probably 720 or 1080.
#54
Georgia
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Originally posted by deliver42
It's not like Carnival is charging less than it's competition for its cruises.
Hmmm... seemed to me that they were. For our November 2017 cruise, we were able to reduce our total budget by $49 by switching from a 6 day Royal Caribbean cruise to a 7 day Carnival cruise.

Originally posted by deliver42
I'm talking about the newer ships.
This was Carnival's third newest ship.
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#55
Upstate NY
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I usually don't watch too much TV in our cabin aside from the weather and ship information channels. However I do watch some news (I'm a news junkie - can't help it) Which brings me to probably the most surreal experience in my cruise history. Back in 2007, while aboard Carnival Liberty on a Central America cruise, I had the TV on while getting dressed in the morning - and saw the story of how a group on our cruise were the victims of an attempted mugging while in Costa Rica, and how one of the passengers killed one of the muggers in a headlock. While I had heard rumors about the incident (it's amazing what you can learn while sitting in a hot tub). nothing was publicly stated aboard.
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#56
Connecticut
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Originally posted by nybumpkin
I usually don't watch too much TV in our cabin aside from the weather and ship information channels. However I do watch some news (I'm a news junkie - can't help it) Which brings me to probably the most surreal experience in my cruise history. Back in 2007, while aboard Carnival Liberty on a Central America cruise, I had the TV on while getting dressed in the morning - and saw the story of how a group on our cruise were the victims of an attempted mugging while in Costa Rica, and how one of the passengers killed one of the muggers in a headlock. While I had heard rumors about the incident (it's amazing what you can learn while sitting in a hot tub). nothing was publicly stated aboard.


Now that is weird, we were on the same cruise. Came back to the port and found about 40 police cars. Did not know what had happened till that night when walking by a bar and heard some of the patrons yelling Semper Fi, Semper Fi (he was an ex marine). We were among the first off back in Miami and there was many TV crews there asking if we knew who he was.


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#57
Colorado
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Originally posted by declansdad
You can still watch TV just not ABC, NBC and CBS.

and FOX, do some research 90% of viewers watch the networks, Jan 13, first cruise is the second round of the playoffs and this just stinks
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#58
Charlotte, NC
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What a Crock!! I hope they are getting a lot of complaints. We do like to keep up with all the sports without having to fight our way in the sports bar. Come On Carnival, we pay enough for our cruises to have this. Who wants to turn on the tv and watch the ship? This is sad!!!

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#59
North Carolina
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Joined Feb 2006
To many this is obviously a concern and for them I am sorry. For me, this is a 'so what' situation. I haven't watched the big three in many years. They all have their agenda and I don't want, or need, to hear it. I would much rather watch Discovery, Science, History, PBS , etc. At least they have some educational value.
I don't care about the sports either and their overpaid bunch of cry babies. Could not care less about ESPN.

I'm not on a cruise to watch TV. For those that do, my sympathy. Personally, I would be happy to see the cruise cost lowered and TV being pay per view except for cruise related information. But that's just me. We all have our own priorities I guess.
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#60
Lee's Summit MO
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Just off Valor today. Major networks were there, but only Miami stations
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