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#42
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Originally posted by Flip2cruise
Yeah, someone has some explaining to do.
Sounds crazy that an anchor can just "accidentally" fall. Will be interesting to hear the actual account.

This is a post from someone else on FB.

I’m on the ship also and I believe the captain said that the anchor accidentally came down as we were off the shore. He didn’t say we forgot to pull it up or that it snapped and we can’t find it.
I recall reading about a passenger on a HAL ship who was charged with releasing an anchor. He had apparently wandered into a restricted area and decided to play with some controls. Alcohol was apparently involved.
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Originally posted by broberts
I recall reading about a passenger on a HAL ship who was charged with releasing an anchor. He had apparently wandered into a restricted area and decided to play with some controls. Alcohol was apparently involved.


I remember that, this is the cc article on that guy

he consumed three or four glasses of wine, a wine glass full of vodka, five single martinis, four double martinis, one-quarter of a two-liter bottle of Grey Goose vodka (that he stole from a closed bar) and an Ambien

https://www.cruisecritic.com/news/news.cfm?ID=4251
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Originally posted by Aviator of the Seas
How the heck does that happen? Isn't there a safety detent or something?


In the small boat world this actually happened more then you think. The windless can slip and if you don’t have the safety wire on it you can make a mess out of things.


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When a ship prepares to go into restricted waters (like into port), or get underway, the anchors are prepped for instant use in case of emergency, so all of the "safety devices" are removed, and the anchors are holding just on their brake bands. Sometimes, if the bands are not tightened enough, severe vibrations, like when a ship gets going too fast in shallow water (the propeller wake bounces off the bottom and vibrates the ship), the windlass brake band can slip, and the anchor fall under its weight to the sea bed. It's embarrassing, but it does happen.
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Originally posted by chengkp75
When a ship prepares to go into restricted waters (like into port), or get underway, the anchors are prepped for instant use in case of emergency, so all of the "safety devices" are removed, and the anchors are holding just on their brake bands. Sometimes, if the bands are not tightened enough, severe vibrations, like when a ship gets going too fast in shallow water (the propeller wake bounces off the bottom and vibrates the ship), the windlass brake band can slip, and the anchor fall under its weight to the sea bed. It's embarrassing, but it does happen.
Thanks the explanation! Makes a lot of sense now.
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Originally posted by chengkp75
When a ship prepares to go into restricted waters (like into port), or get underway, the anchors are prepped for instant use in case of emergency, so all of the "safety devices" are removed, and the anchors are holding just on their brake bands. Sometimes, if the bands are not tightened enough, severe vibrations, like when a ship gets going too fast in shallow water (the propeller wake bounces off the bottom and vibrates the ship), the windlass brake band can slip, and the anchor fall under its weight to the sea bed. It's embarrassing, but it does happen.
Thank you for the explanation. Very interesting and makes a lot of sense.
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Chengkp75 to the rescue as always!! Thanks.
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Originally posted by Aviator of the Seas
Thank you for the explanation. Very interesting and makes a lot of sense.
Indeed, very good info. I have heard before that a ship cannot go into port with a missing anchor, and given this explanation... wondering if this will create issues until the anchor is replaced?
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The ship has two anchors, just for this reason. There is another one onboard already. Learned this on the Behind the Fun tour.
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It sounds like their anchor likely got fouled on the bottom, and couldn't be raised. They will then let out all the chain, and where the end link of the chain is fastened to the ship, there is a pin that can be driven out to let the chain free.

A ship can enter port with one anchor missing, but depending on the port, and country, they may need to make notifications and meet various requirements. For a US port, they will need to notify the USCG, but I don't recall their being any restrictions, like having additional tugs, for losing an anchor.

Most likely the company has a spare anchor for each class of ship, if the anchors are significantly different, and anchor chain is fairly easy to obtain. Probably a month or so to get everything staged to turn around port, and line up barges and cranes for installation.
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Originally posted by chengkp75
When a ship prepares to go into restricted waters (like into port), or get underway, the anchors are prepped for instant use in case of emergency, so all of the "safety devices" are removed, and the anchors are holding just on their brake bands. Sometimes, if the bands are not tightened enough, severe vibrations, like when a ship gets going too fast in shallow water (the propeller wake bounces off the bottom and vibrates the ship), the windlass brake band can slip, and the anchor fall under its weight to the sea bed. It's embarrassing, but it does happen.
Good info! Thanks!
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Originally posted by jayowl
someone didn’t want to leave puerto rico. Or someone said i’m running late hold the boat!


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Originally posted by chengkp75
It sounds like their anchor likely got fouled on the bottom, and couldn't be raised. They will then let out all the chain, and where the end link of the chain is fastened to the ship, there is a pin that can be driven out to let the chain free.

A ship can enter port with one anchor missing, but depending on the port, and country, they may need to make notifications and meet various requirements. For a US port, they will need to notify the USCG, but I don't recall their being any restrictions, like having additional tugs, for losing an anchor.

Most likely the company has a spare anchor for each class of ship, if the anchors are significantly different, and anchor chain is fairly easy to obtain. Probably a month or so to get everything staged to turn around port, and line up barges and cranes for installation.
Non sequitor, but I'm curious on how much chain a ship of that size holds.

And I can imagine that a stateroom near the chain locker must be noisy when they drop an anchor.
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Originally posted by campdaan
Non sequitor, but I'm curious on how much chain a ship of that size holds.

And I can imagine that a stateroom near the chain locker must be noisy when they drop an anchor.
Anchor chain is measured in "shots" (each shot being 15 fathoms, or 90 feet). I would say the typical cruise ship carries 12 shots on each anchor (1080 feet). Yes, anchoring and maneuvering with the thrusters can get noisy for lower deck, forward cabins, which is why the ones really close to the chain lockers are crew cabins.
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I know from a recent Carnival BtF Tour that some ships carry a spare anchor on the bow near the ship's bell, but it would require a heavy-duty crane at a port to haul it up. It was either on the Vista or the Conquest where it was pointed out to us; if the latter, then Glory should also have one available.
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Originally posted by Aviator of the Seas
How the heck does that happen? Isn't there a safety detent or something?
Usually, weight of chain holds ship, and anchor just holds chain. To retrieve anchor, ship rides up on top of it and reels it in. If it got stuck in a reef, it may be problem, but ships have spare anchor in case one is lost.
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