Posted March 17th, 2008, 12:58 PM
Last edited by lovetodream; March 17th, 2008 at 01:17 PM
It was my thread that got yanked. And I never got a message saying why (which would be nice).
Now, since I am not an owner/partner of this website, I would think I should be thanked for adding content, yet, instead I have an important post pulled, and no explanation given.
I freely admit that I am not a copyright lawyer, I have no idea what is copyright kosher and what isn't, but my question is, would it not be easier to edit/modify the original post instead of deleting the whole thread?
I agree that the removal of an important thread that talks about port safety in St. Lucia is reckless. The victims of this attack *walked* from the port... surely this information should be shared with fellow cruisers.
I've been hoping that you would eventually come back and read this thread.
Just a couple of things. I believe that I am the one who added citations to your earlier thread, which caused the entire subject to be yanked. While I am more confused than ever, I do not think it was the info in your original post that created the problem...I think the problems were with my additional citations that supported your post.
So, accept my apology if it was MY additions that caused your thread to be pulled.
Sadly, you will see with this board that original comments and observations (including specific safety information) are not what REALLY
matter, as motives reach far beyond sharing helpful information about cruising. There's a lot of self-righteous umbrage that exists and it's all about CRUISING, mind you...cruising!
We're not sharing opinions about finding the cure for cancer here.
There are whole groups of cruise junkies and cruise groupies, many of whom are desperately devoted to one cruise line or another
go figure, who will pounce on, insult, berate, criticize, argue with, etc ANYONE who posts information is perceived as challenging their notions about how to travel and how to perceive the world once you've traveled it
You will primarily get "flamed" or "challenged" by folks who have 1) many cruises under their belts, 2) many posts under their belts, 3) some type of invested interest in the subject matter with which, or the poster with whom you adversely address.
People like 98Charlie who has kindly responded is the exception to the rule, so to speak. I'm not trying to incite a riot here...I'm simply expressing what has been my experience.
It has gotten so bad at times, that I have begged DH to cancel our upcoming cruise plans and return to land/air travel but he refuses to do so. DH continually reminds me that the folks who post on this website signify approximately 1-2% of the entire population that cruises on any given day, so we've been told...someone will probably refute this point
And no, no, no, no...do NOT question the actions of the Moderator because that WILL get your post/thread pulled. After all, it is THEIR board and they have the sole right & discretion to edit or remove any topic/thread they deem is inappropriate, etc, etc, etc...just re-read the "Terms & Agreements" especially "Community Guidelines."
Having said all of that, I know COMPLETELY how you felt when you posted the article about the Top Model, etc, etc. When I visited St. Lucia recently, I was traumatized (no exaggeration) for weeks after my visit and no one wanted to hear it. Like you, I really wanted to help people and inform them about visiting St. Lucia and I felt so helpless to do so.
More than anything else, I felt very badly for most of the locals living there.
Long-story-short, people honestly believe that traveling to islands like Jamaica, Haiti and to some extent, St. Lucia and purchasing trips or little trinkets from locals is what will save the local economies and eventually, the islands. But this notion could not be further from the truth. DH & I have traveled all over the Caribbean (and other parts of the world) because I used to think this way too, until I became better informed.
If you are interested, I can send you abundant credible
information about the crime and poverty on some Caribbean islands, including potential reasons why such problems exist more on certain islands than on others. Since my Dec '08 trip to St. Lucia, I have enmassed lots of info in the form of books, news articles, documentaries, websites, personal emails, etc, etc about the "hidden" crime problem on the island.
While it's complicated, most of the causes of violence against tourists have to do with the abject poverty and gross disparity in wealth that exists on these islands, from which locals see no way out, coupled with the deep resentment some locals hold against American, Canadian and British tourists, particularly cruisers.
You tried to do the right thing. You are not alone in your perceptions.