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If the US news makes a big enough stink, CNN and ALL of the others, do a spotlight on St. Thomas, maybe the tourism will drop for a short time (unfortunately for the locals) and their government will get the police to make changes.

The two different cruise lines that go out of Florida that I have been on, RCCI and NCL are MOSTLY Americans on board.

 

How do we get it on all the major news stations like CNN?

terri

 

I don't know the answer to your question but I'm all for it.

You must read the Cruise law news that "Yes We Can" posted. Very enlightning and scary!

 

We need to remind other ports like St. Thomas about how Carnival reacted to unrest in Antigua:

In an article in today's (Sept. 30/09) Miami Herald entitled "Carnival's Plan to Switch Port of Call Upsets Antigua," the newspaper reports that Carnival has dropped Antigua and Barbuda from its regular seven night Southern Caribbean cruise itinerary.

Antigua's tourism minister, John Maginley, told the Herald that Carnival informed him of their decision via e-mail:

There was no discussion, none,'' Maginely said. ``We're supposed to be partners in this thing, and all we got was an e-mail sent to the agent in Antigua that Carnival is pulling its boat.

This will cost Antigua, which is dependent on tourism, more than $40 million annually.

 

PS. I would guestimate that it would cost St. Thomas 8-10 times that much!

Especially now with Oasis and Alure stoppping there.

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I can't speak for other news outlets, but here at Cruise Critic we do generally cover negative and unfortunate events as they pertain to cruise travel.

 

Found this one, for example, in our archives:

http://www.cruisecritic.com/news/news.cfm?ID=3563

 

Melissa

 

Hadn't read or heard about this one. I'd say the cruise lines paid them off; not to broadcast it or let it make the news. Shameful!Disgraceful on their part to do that.

Just shows; robberies, shootings, killings can and do take place on excursions booked through cruise line as well.

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Police patrols increase. The "USA Today" article can be found here.

Thanks for sharing. I encourage everyone to log into USA to above site; register and write a comment. (Good idea to read a few of the comments first.). Many suggest like I did; save your 1.2 million on advertising to tell us how safe it is and spend it on security and cleaning the port up.

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I just returned from STJ after a week's vacation. I was there when the tragic shooting occurred. We rented a jeep and we had a conversation with the gentleman who picked up up at our hotel. He stated that the residents of STT and STJ are simply devasted by this event. He told us that the residents set up a facebook page to release their anger at the shooter. Not only are they angry that an innocent tourist was killed, but that this shooting had to do with a funeral. The locals also understand that tourism is how they make their livelihood and they want to keep the island safe, and will not turn the other way if they see crime. I think that fact that the STT police was able to arrest the shooter very quickly speaks volumes that there was much cooperation.

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Not very computer literate with facebook but do have an account. How do I find this on facebook?

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Burma - try these resources to both read, comment, research.

http://www.**********/wwwtalk/read.php?4,109485

 

The next one is primarily read/ responded to by locals of the USVI as advice to those considering moving to the USVI. There's mixed bag of financial agendas w/ bliond eyes & outright outrage by locals - I think you'll find this board enlightening on the Coki murder / excessively high crime rates in STT topic.

 

http://www.vimovingcenter.com/talk/read.php?4,141676

 

I think Gov. De Jong's email contact info is in this thread.

I found 2 Facebook pages fro USVI ST THOMAS

http://www.facebook.com/search/?init=quick&q=St.+thomas&ref=ts#!/pages/St-Thomas-Blog-Caribbean-Beach-Travel-US-Virgin-Islands-Restaurants/42818921464?ref=search

and

http://www.facebook.com/everythingandanythingvirginislands

 

Kudos to all who post on the vinow message board & provide your outrage & pressure on the USVI Government & VI Police Dept.

Take Care

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follow up to 1st "vinow" message board, it is called the "vinow message board - do a gogle search for vinow to link to this message board.

Leah

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Burma - try these resources to both read, comment, research.

http://www.**********/wwwtalk/read.php?4,109485

 

The next one is primarily read/ responded to by locals of the USVI as advice to those considering moving to the USVI. There's mixed bag of financial agendas w/ bliond eyes & outright outrage by locals - I think you'll find this board enlightening on the Coki murder / excessively high crime rates in STT topic.

 

http://www.vimovingcenter.com/talk/read.php?4,141676

 

I think Gov. De Jong's email contact info is in this thread.

I found 2 Facebook pages fro USVI ST THOMAS

http://www.facebook.com/search/?init=quick&q=St.+thomas&ref=ts#!/pages/St-Thomas-Blog-Caribbean-Beach-Travel-US-Virgin-Islands-Restaurants/42818921464?ref=search

and

http://www.facebook.com/everythingandanythingvirginislands

 

Kudos to all who post on the vinow message board & provide your outrage & pressure on the USVI Government & VI Police Dept.

Take Care

 

Will check these out; thanks

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Thanks for sharing. I encourage everyone to log into USA to above site; register and write a comment. (Good idea to read a few of the comments first.). Many suggest like I did; save your 1.2 million on advertising to tell us how safe it is and spend it on security and cleaning the port up.

 

Exactly, if they have that kind of money, they need to be focusing on the issue at hand and keeping it safe instead of advertising.

 

If you notice all the post after the article, they all state how the police and the gangs are somehow related, which is the problem.

 

The spokesperson "stated" that police and foot patrol has been stepped up. Well of course they want us to think this so that we will continue to go there. They would not state that nothing has been done. However, the people that live on the island and have been to the island since, states otherwise and they barely even see an officer in the location that the shooting happened. Then when they do, they don't even get out of their a/c car. So actions speak louder than words in this case. They can state all they want, but until it is seen, it means nothing to me from what I've read. :(

 

For the sake of the island and the good citizens that live there, I hope they do turn this place around. I don't think increased advertising is going to be the key. Everyone knows what a beautiful island it is, even if you haven't been there before. Tourist will still come, once it becomes a safe island again.

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I did just find this (posted by I believe a local)

 

Meli and I went back today and got this news. While there speaking with Web, Kishma and Sasha, we learned that some reporters showed up yesterday to do some reporting. Now, the fact that the beach looked pretty much empty to the reporters is bad enough, they were promptly greeted by two "stupid kids", offering to sell them weed. OH, WHAT A GREAT IMPRESSION! Today though, the cop on his 4-wheeler was making trips back and forth, all day long (well, from 9AM to 4PM while we were there). He even got his picture taken by another reporter that showed up. It was framed nicely... Cop/4-wheeler right by the surf and the photographer down the beach, getting the patrons and trusty cop all in one picture.

 

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this continues and this island turns around for the sake of the islanders. :)

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This is so sad. I love St. Thomas and was never aware of the high crime rate. We are scheduled to go there in April on Allure and my husband and I will have my almost three year old daughter with us. After discussing this with him I don't think we will be going far from the ship. I think we will just stick to the shops around the pier. My daughter's safety is to important to take that risk.

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This was in the news if I remember correctly. You might even check back on CC news and see if you can locate it there.

Edited by texascruzer

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What happened at Coki Beach is a horrible tragic event and should have never occurred. Unfortunately these events are not specific to St. Thomas and getting on a band wagon of mass hysteria serves no purpose other than instill MORE fear.

 

But if you want to avoid ST.Thomas, you might as well avoid these areas as well...(notice that most of these are cruise ports...)

 

http://barbadosfreepress.wordpress.com/2009/06/29/british-tourist-shot-near-sandy-lane-resort-barbados-on-june-4-2009-cover-up-by-bajan-press/

http://www.mexicovacationawareness.com/news/joerucker.pdf

http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/560728

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article7061705.ece

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/01/american-tourist-shot-at_n_632607.html

Oh wait, these happened in MIAMI!!! We need to avoid Miami...

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/russian-tourist-shot-dead-in-miami-drug-deal/409683.html

http://www.wsvn.com/news/articles/local/21001673435267/

and this by a police officer no doubt...

http://www.miamibeach411.com/news/index.php?/news/comments/unarmed-tourist/

 

The point is, innocent people are victims of violence throughout the world. Yes, Coki Beach is in a "bad" neighborhood. But the entire island is not a "bad" neighborhood. There are plenty of safe areas and beaches in St.Thomas.

 

So to say I will never go to St.Thomas again because it is unsafe, is like saying I will never drive my car on the highway again because I can get in a car accident.

 

That being said, will I be more vigilant while travelling? Absolutely! But will I stay away from some place I love because of crime? Nope. I might as well just stay safely locked up in my house and never go anywhere.

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What happened at Coki Beach is a horrible tragic event and should have never occurred. Unfortunately these events are not specific to St. Thomas and getting on a band wagon of mass hysteria serves no purpose other than instill MORE fear.

 

But if you want to avoid ST.Thomas, you might as well avoid these areas as well...(notice that most of these are cruise ports...)

 

http://barbadosfreepress.wordpress.com/2009/06/29/british-tourist-shot-near-sandy-lane-resort-barbados-on-june-4-2009-cover-up-by-bajan-press/

http://www.mexicovacationawareness.com/news/joerucker.pdf

http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/560728

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article7061705.ece

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/01/american-tourist-shot-at_n_632607.html

Oh wait, these happened in MIAMI!!! We need to avoid Miami...

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/russian-tourist-shot-dead-in-miami-drug-deal/409683.html

http://www.wsvn.com/news/articles/local/21001673435267/

and this by a police officer no doubt...

http://www.miamibeach411.com/news/index.php?/news/comments/unarmed-tourist/

 

The point is, innocent people are victims of violence throughout the world. Yes, Coki Beach is in a "bad" neighborhood. But the entire island is not a "bad" neighborhood. There are plenty of safe areas and beaches in St.Thomas.

 

So to say I will never go to St.Thomas again because it is unsafe, is like saying I will never drive my car on the highway again because I can get in a car accident.

 

That being said, will I be more vigilant while travelling? Absolutely! But will I stay away from some place I love because of crime? Nope. I might as well just stay safely locked up in my house and never go anywhere.

 

 

Wow!!! Thanks for posting these links! You are 100% correct. It could have happened anywhere in the world. Just for the record, this incident (did not) happened on Coki Point Beach, It happened on the "road" to Coki Point Beach. The Suspect Has Been Arrested After Turning Himself In and will get what is coming to him..

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Wow!!! Thanks for posting these links! You are 100% correct. It could have happened anywhere in the world. Just for the record, this incident (did not) happened on Coki Point Beach, It happened on the "road" to Coki Point Beach. The Suspect Has Been Arrested After Turning Himself In and will get what is coming to him..

Maybe!

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What happened at Coki Beach is a horrible tragic event and should have never occurred. Unfortunately these events are not specific to St. Thomas and getting on a band wagon of mass hysteria serves no purpose other than instill MORE fear.

 

But if you want to avoid ST.Thomas, you might as well avoid these areas as well...(notice that most of these are cruise ports...)

 

http://barbadosfreepress.wordpress.com/2009/06/29/british-tourist-shot-near-sandy-lane-resort-barbados-on-june-4-2009-cover-up-by-bajan-press/

http://www.mexicovacationawareness.com/news/joerucker.pdf

http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/560728

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article7061705.ece

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/01/american-tourist-shot-at_n_632607.html

Oh wait, these happened in MIAMI!!! We need to avoid Miami...

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/russian-tourist-shot-dead-in-miami-drug-deal/409683.html

http://www.wsvn.com/news/articles/local/21001673435267/

and this by a police officer no doubt...

http://www.miamibeach411.com/news/index.php?/news/comments/unarmed-tourist/

 

The point is, innocent people are victims of violence throughout the world. Yes, Coki Beach is in a "bad" neighborhood. But the entire island is not a "bad" neighborhood. There are plenty of safe areas and beaches in St.Thomas.

 

So to say I will never go to St.Thomas again because it is unsafe, is like saying I will never drive my car on the highway again because I can get in a car accident.

 

That being said, will I be more vigilant while travelling? Absolutely! But will I stay away from some place I love because of crime? Nope. I might as well just stay safely locked up in my house and never go anywhere.

 

You're right. There are several places that I won't go and St. Thomas IS one of them. I know crime can happen anywhere, but I'm not going to subject my family to a place where crime is rampant and very little is being done to stop it (i.e. French Quarter in New Orleans, Jamacia, any border town in Mexico, St. Thomas, the list could go on and on)

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You're right. There are several places that I won't go and St. Thomas IS one of them. I know crime can happen anywhere, but I'm not going to subject my family to a place where crime is rampant and very little is being done to stop it (i.e. French Quarter in New Orleans, Jamacia, any border town in Mexico, St. Thomas, the list could go on and on)

 

 

Before this one tragic event, which was gang-related violence that took place at a cemetery, I don't recall once reading on CC or anyplace else that tourists were attacked on STT. Where are you getting the data that crime is rampant?

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Before this one tragic event, which was gang-related violence that took place at a cemetery, I don't recall once reading on CC or anyplace else that tourists were attacked on STT. Where are you getting the data that crime is rampant?

 

The VI Government admits there's a huge problem, the locals admit it, and according to the crime statistics they have had about 47 murders this year in a population of ~100,000 people. That's something like 7 times higher than the average murder rate of U.S. cities. Granted, the crime is not usually directed at tourists, but it's not directed at tourists in any of our most dangerous cities. But as we can see from this tragedy, when there is rampant crime among the locals, tourists can literally get caught in the crossfire.

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Before this one tragic event, which was gang-related violence that took place at a cemetery, I don't recall once reading on CC or anyplace else that tourists were attacked on STT.

 

Google "Tourists killed St. Thomas 1994" and "Tourists killed St. Thomas 1996" and you will (should) come up with two of many examples. The 1994 story will literally curl your hair. I loved my several days on St. Thomas in 1994 but I found it pretty scary after dark, and we were in a very nice hotel near downtown.

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RHefley: You want to relive incidents from 16 and 14 years ago? I am sure nothing untoward has occured in either New York or Miami in that period. ;)

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Oh dear Lord....crime is rampant everywhere........even if you lock yourselves in your homes or cabins....it CAN find you........live life to the fullest....you only get one ride here......if it is your time, it won't matter if you are in your bed or on an island somewhere.......

 

I am very sad for the family of this child....I can't imagine and hope never will experience this....but we can't stop going places or experiencing things out of fear.....just be careful....be aware of what is going on around you....although truth be told that would not have helped in this situation....I am sure there was no sign of unrest when it was just a couple of people fighting....my son is a police officer and I can tell you I know a lot of stuff that happens in my smaller town that doesn't make the papers or news reports.....

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saw there were some in Takoma, Wash, DC, NYC and other places. St. Thomas is quite safe and they caught the shooter.

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I don't think people should be arguing FOR or AGAINST visiting St. Thomas. Everyone's looking at this the wrong way.

 

For me, I think it's important to KNOW the places I visit... the responsibility lies on me to decide where I choose to go on vacation and spend my money.

 

Personally, I would have never imagined there were gang-related crimes on St. Thomas !!! I would have known to look out for petty thefts/crimes, but I would not have expected random gang shootings.

 

Will this one incident keep me from visiting the island? No. But, it will make me more aware of where I go, what to watch for, etc. especially if I'm traveling with my children. It might effect my choices of where I go on the island.

 

Random crime does happen everywhere, that's true. However, would I go into a certain neighborhood in ANY city where I knew there had been a drive-by shooting & innocent people were killed? Probably not. I would stay away until I felt they had made the area safer.

 

It's fair for the locals to want us to keep visiting their island.

But it's also fair as visitors to question the safety & security of the places we go.

 

It's ok to admit there are gang-problems on the island! It's the first step to fixing them! It shows support for the local authorities & is encouraging those visiting to know that the locals want change, too!

 

It's also ok as non-locals to question our safety when we visit. But, we do have to realize that this crime was NOT something that is a daily occurrence. It's still ok to visit the island, but do be more aware of issues the locals face.

 

Time to stop looking through rose-colored sunglasses !!! lol

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You want to relive incidents from 16 and 14 years ago?

 

You're missing the point, which is that this is not a suddenly new problem on the island. As for NYC, tourists are very seldom murdered in tourist areas; this does not seem to be the case in St. Thomas. Also, the per capita crime rate here is miniscule compared to St. Thomas.

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