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Zuiderdam...A retirement community on water???

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My wife and I are going on the western carribbean route aboard the Zuiderdam on 5/21/05. I've read many reviews which say the average age on the ship ranges from 55-70, and we're a little worried. Opinions please!!!

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I believe you will find a nice mix of ages on your cruise. There will be some schools out for the summer at the end of May, so you might have more families on board than at non-school-break times. Three factors are in favor of a younger demographic: it's a Caribbean itinerary, most schools are out, and the cruise is only 7 days.

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I sail the Zuiderdam on March 12th. Of any of the HAL ships, from what I have read, the Zuiderdam would have the least older guests onboard. Although I have always heard about HAL having older guests. I find this to be untrue. I have been sailing HAL well over 20 years, I am now 47 years old, and find that age is just a number, and the people I have met on HAL are, for the most part, gracious, well traveled, classy and probably about the nicest bunch of people.

 

Sail on the Zuiderdam and let age be just what it is, a number. Enjoy your cruise. Look for my review on the Zuiderdam.

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My wife and I were on the Maasdam in late October and early November. Being a ten day cruise not around school break the average age would be older than your Zuiderdam cruise. The ages were all over the board, with the average being 40 - 60 (this is my guess, not a scientific survey). I'm guessing that the Zuiderdam will have an even younger average age.

 

While at HMC in November we shared the island with the Oosterdam, another Vista ship like the Zuiderdam. The passengers from the Oosterdam were much younger than those on the Maasdam.

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According to HAL's press releases and from industry analyists, HAL's average age is the mid 50's. The Vista class ships and the SOE program are aimed at lowering the demographic for 2 reasons. Getting new and relatively younger(30-50) people to cruise on HAL will help maintain the future of the line. The second reason, according to investors, is that the relatively younger pax tend to spend more while on the ship, (excursions, spas, casinos and other a la carte ship programs) thus enhancing each ship's bottom line.

 

We choose HAL over Carnival and Princess for our 1st cruise experience to avoid a loud and boisterous crowd, seeking a more refined, relaxed and mature crowd. The difference between a public golf course and a private country club.. We'll let you know when we get back from the Westerdam. We do prefer the country club experience to leisure world or an amusement park.

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First of all, if you live long enough you will someday be between 55 and 70.

I am in that age bracket--65--and I am a little hurt you would imply I am "old".

 

I was on the Zuiderdam in late May and early June in 2003 and there were a lot of children, tween agers and teenagers on the ship. If you go when most kids are in school, naturally there are not going to be that many on the ship.

When I was on the Zuiderdam there were 400 to 500 young people on board.

 

Now I was on the Volendam in November and the Zuiderdam was docked next to us at Tortola and there were a good number of Children getting off the ship. Sometimes people pull children out of school for a cruise. But I do think the numbers will be greater at a time when children are out of school. When someone asked me to describe the Zuiderdam in a few phases, I used the term "child friendly" to describe this first of the Vista ships.

 

Himself

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Not to worry....There will be lots of younger folks on the Zuiderdam. I believe she is by far the youngest of the HAL fleet in terms of demographics. I don't believe you'll be awash in kids in late May, but there will be some on board.

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First of all, if you live long enough you will someday be between 55 and 70.

I am in that age bracket--65--and I am a little hurt you would imply I am "old".

 

I was on the Zuiderdam in late May and early June in 2003 and there were a lot of children, tween agers and teenagers on the ship. If you go when most kids are in school, naturally there are not going to be that many on the ship.

When I was on the Zuiderdam there were 400 to 500 young people on board.

 

Now I was on the Volendam in November and the Zuiderdam was docked next to us at Tortola and there were a good number of Children getting off the ship. Sometimes people pull children out of school for a cruise. But I do think the numbers will be greater at a time when children are out of school. When someone asked me to describe the Zuiderdam in a few phases, I used the term "child friendly" to describe this first of the Vista ships.

 

Himself

 

When we travel with children, we go places that are for children and we chose resorts and destinations that are children friendly.

 

When we travel without children, we look for places that cater to adults.

 

There are old people who are 65 and there are young people who are 75. My dad, mid 70's works out with weights 3 times a week and swims 5 miles a week. Refuses to take a cart out when golfing. OTOH, there are folks in their mid to late 50's who modulate between being cranky and helpless.

 

It's not the age but the state of mind and body.

 

While I wouldn't want to hear a flock of little kids screaming around the aft pool, I also don't want to see a gaggle of old folks bundled up in blankets sitting around the same pool under the Carribean sun fishing for a tea bag from their purse.

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Extremely well said Abbot, I feel the same way. It's all about the state of mind...age can prove to be just a meaningless number.

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If you go to another cruise message board. I don't think I am allowed to mention which one here,there will be a review on the Westerdam. The ages varied on this person's recent cruise. Remember, it was a week when school was in secession. 50% were alot older, the other 50% had every age, even quite a few people in their 20S.

I'm sailing the Zuiderdam 4/23 and I am in my early 50s but have a 15 year old daughter coming along.

I know one of the March sailings has some young people on it, including a 1 year old. There are also teens in that family. So Date and time of the year can change demogratics.

I was on a Nov cruise during NJ teacher conventiom week. It was on the Carnival Pride. There were only 40 kids on the sailing and 5 were infants. The Average age on that sailing was 60plus, and that was Carnival! Bars were empty by 10pm. I could have rode a bike thru the ship and not hit a single person. There were people, only in the Casino.

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Wow, that 4/23/05 sailing of the Zuiderdam sounds like it is going to be a blast! I think I'll have to book passage. Although, I will miss the late night bike riding allowed on Carnival.;) Joe V.

 

 

 

Zuiderdam 4/23/05

RCI - 2 times

Princess - 3 times

QE2 - 1 time

Royal Majesty - 1 time

Carnival - 1 time

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The title of this thread got me thinking (a rarity I assure you). My mother lives with her husband in a retirement community in Florida. They have shuffleboard, tennis, a large pool, clubhouse with a gym and beautiful theater (shows and movies). Although you do get some stereotypical crotchity old people (don't splash near me, I just had my hair done on Thursday) for the most part the senior citizens use these facilities (including the tennis courts and gym) and are hardly 'old'. I'm just looking forward to being in one of these retirement communities (or as I call them - senior citizens' day camp) one day.:)

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My wife and I are going on the western carribbean route aboard the Zuiderdam on 5/21/05. I've read many reviews which say the average age on the ship ranges from 55-70, and we're a little worried. Opinions please!!!

 

STAY HOME UNTIL YOU ARE 55!

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Hey Amy....The cruise was great. It was good to get out of Jax for alittle while. The superbowl crowds were nuts! Of course, I downed a few when I got back! :rolleyes: I started a thread to talk to you but it looks like it was deleted. :confused: Oh well, guest we'll talk some place else. :D

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Well, I'm not surprised the post was deleted....I've had my share of ruckus on this forum. You're a WILD MAN cohorting with the likes of those with small children! :D Anyhoo, I was in JAX last March on one of the first Miracle cruises. I think I'd cruise non-stop if I lived there or Miami! As for talking, it's like a scavenger hunt - never know where it is we'll end up!

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Amy....You still haven't told me about my skiing specials that await me next season. Do you not want me to see the Colorado mountains?? :rolleyes: :D

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To get back to the original posters question. We (M52/F46) sailed on the Z 12/11.

We had a very nice time overall. The only thing lacking was variety in the musical entertainment on board. There were 3 bands which all played similar music (light jazz might best decribe the style). No vocals...no caribbean music...no party music. I'm not criticizing the quality of musicians just the lack of variety. DW and I laughingly call our trip the "Mack the Knife Cruise" for the many times we heard instrumental versions of the song while on board.

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To get back to the original posters question. We (M52/F46) sailed on the Z 12/11.

We had a very nice time overall. The only thing lacking was variety in the musical entertainment on board. There were 3 bands which all played similar music (light jazz might best decribe the style). No vocals...no caribbean music...no party music. I'm not criticizing the quality of musicians just the lack of variety. DW and I laughingly call our trip the "Mack the Knife Cruise" for the many times we heard instrumental versions of the song while on board.

 

Maybe HAL is a little schitzo at the moment. Trying to attract younger cruisers with newer ships and ameneties at the same time trying to satisfy its' older customers. Based on research, it does seem HAL has earned its' reputation as a line for the more mature and their choice of entertainment may reflect that.

 

You'd that a Carribean Cruise would have some Jimmy Buffet, Beach Boys, Sheryl Crow. I miss Guy Lombardo, but only once a year for 5 minutes.

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