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6 minutes ago, TLCOhio said:

 

Appreciate this great story and follow-up from the super-experienced Hank.  Not boring.  YES, agree that spending evenings in Venice is wonderful as the "day-trippers" and cruise crowds have left, allowing an enjoyment of the character and charm of this historic city. 

 

From the Reuters newswire this morning, they had this headline: “Italy to legislate to keep liners out of Venice lagoon” with these highlights: “The Italian cabinet will meet on Tuesday to discuss emergency measures to keep large cruise ships out of Venice lagoon, three government sources said.   The government decided to act after the United Nations culture organisation UNESCO threatened to put Italy on a blacklist for not banning liners from the World Heritage site, one of the sources said.   The legislation will take immediate effect, the sources said, without giving further details.   It is likely to affect the business of cruise companies.  Rome has passed legislation in the past to limit liners' access to one of the world's most famous tourist sites, but an alternative docking point is not yet ready.  In April, Prime Minister Mario Draghi's government approved a decree to build a terminal outside the lagoon where passenger vessels over 40,000 tons and container ships can berth without passing in front of Saint Mark's Square, the city's most famous landmark.  Large boats were told to dock at the industrial port of Marghera, but even this intermediate solution is not yet ready because Marghera lacks a suitable docking point for liners.”

 

Oh, those details like building a new cruise ship docking location, can be a major factor as to how things would work . . . or not . . . affecting this future planning and operations.  Details?  Details??

 

Full story at:

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/exclusive-italy-legislate-keep-liners-out-venice-lagoon-sources-2021-07-13/

 

THANKS!  Enjoy!  Terry in Ohio

 

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Thanks Terry.  And the saga continues as it has for nearly 2 decades.

 

Hank

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On 7/1/2021 at 5:40 PM, Hlitner said:

So here is a story for Terry and anyone else who wants to be bored with my stories :).  A few years ago we happened to be in Venice on a HAL ship that did an overnight.  DW and I spent a nice day in and around Venice (I think we may have taken the vaporetto out to Burano that day) and returned to the ship in late afternoon where we freshened-up (love this old term) before venturing back into Venice to enjoy our evening.  We noticed when leaving the ship (around 6pm) that we were the only folks within sight as we took the long walk (we did not want to wait for a shuttle bus) to the People Mover.  Once back in Venice we stopped at a cafe for cocktails and later went to a delightful seafood restaurant for a decent dinner.  After dinner we took a long walk and eventually stopped at another well-placed outdoor cafe (where there was some live music) for a nightcap.  We returned to the port a little after 10 pm and again took the long walk from the People Mover to our pier.  I still remember it was a gorgeous evening and as we walked towards the ship the only folks we passed (going into Venice) were crew members off for an evening ashore (we saw a few in the morning with very red eyes).   

 

But what was notable was we did not see a single other passenger heading back to the ship.  The reason was apparently very few cruisers left the ship for an evening ashore...instead preferring to stay aboard where they could get their included dinner.  Being a longer HAL cruise most passengers would have been heading to their cabins by 10.  On overnights there is very little happening onboard to keep folks awake.

 

It has been a similar experience when we have overnighted in other European ports (doing this in Lisbon is quite common on HAL).  When we have chatted with other cruisers (onboard) most tell us they do not like to go ashore unless on a tour and/or they do not see any reason to pay for dinner ashore when it is provided for them on the ship.  Why am I posting this?  Because while we cruisers like to think we contribute a lot to the local port economy the truth is that most cruisers contribute very little when compared to folks who stay in local hotels, eat 3 meals ashore, frequent bars, etc.  

 

The recent election (November 2020) in Key West had 3 different referendums involved in banning/limiting cruise ships.  All 3 easily passed (with over 60% of the vote) because a majority of locals did not support the idea of too many cruisers (or large ships) in their port.  The Florida Legislature has since passed a law to negate the opinion of the local voters.  It is interesting that it has been alleged that one of the main forces behind the scenes of the legislative action was a man who is heavily invested in a local hotel and private pier (used for some cruise ships) at Key West.  Or course this person does not live anywhere in the Keys and his own Florida community has no facilities for cruise ships :).  "Not in my back yard" comes to mind.

 

Hank

 

Agree! We always try and eat out when in other countries! It's the only time you get to try their local food.  We did the same think in 2019 on my one and only trip to Italy.  We ate almost every meal (and tons of gelato) in ports.  We did end up spending more than we wanted to but you only live to once....and I am so glad we did...Now to save $ another 5-10 years so I can go back. 🤣 Maybe we'll be able to travel freely by then.

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also just avoid any restaurant with the menu in several languages…. 
My most helpful tip is to ask a local shopkeeper where they go,  found a favourite in Rome this way.  In a small town in southern Italy, when I asked where to eat,  the lady closed her shop and walked me arm in arm to a restaurant where she introduced me as her amici!  
 

I love the gelato discussion, I’m in serious withdrawal

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On 8/13/2021 at 5:36 PM, bennybear said:

also just avoid any restaurant with the menu in several languages…. My most helpful tip is to ask a local shopkeeper where they go,  found a favourite in Rome this way.  In a small town in southern Italy, when I asked where to eat,  the lady closed her shop and walked me arm in arm to a restaurant where she introduced me as her amici!    I love the gelato discussion, I’m in serious withdrawal

 

Appreciate ALL of these great comments and follow-ups.  YES, agree above that getting tips for the "locals" tends to work best and be the most fun.  

 

From the London/UK Telegraph this morning, they had this headline: “20 greatest destinations in Italy – and the perfect time to visit each one” with these highlights about Venice: “Always beautiful, always alluring, always romantic and never disappointing: you can’t go wrong with Venice at almost any time of year. But, while it can undoubtedly be chilly, there is a special magic to the city in winter. On clear days, the canals sparkle in the sunlight, and you can see the snow-capped Dolomites on the horizon. In February you can also choose between crowd-free sights coupled with bargain prices, or the excitement and glamour of the Carnival (February 8 - 25, 2020).”

 

My first visit to Venice was December 1970, enjoying this amazing city during the winter period when the tourist masses were not there.  It was just Venice and the people who live and work there.  Then, you can better experience what makes Venice so awesome!!

 

Full story at:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/advice/20-greatest-destinations-italy-perfect-time-visit-one/

 

THANKS!  Enjoy!  Terry in Ohio

 

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On 8/29/2021 at 11:36 AM, TLCOhio said:

 

Thanks Terry! 🙂

 

Telegrap article by Nick Trend

 

(I wasn't able to read without a subscription or starting a free trial? A pop-up blocked the view within a few seconds, it might be available through my library, would need to check.)

 

Hope everyone is doing well, keeping safe. 

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Had to smile about the "avoid restaurants with multi language menus."  We are talking about Venice where every restaurant has multi language menus!  And having traveled all over Italy I would add that this is pretty common throughout the country even in tiny restaurants that do not cater to the tourist trade.  One favorite small Florence restaurant that specialized in dishes with truffles has multi language menus and you will never see a cruiser or normal tourist since they do not know about the place.  So why, you might ask, do they have menus in English and French?  Because the restaurant is favored by some folks in the fashion industry who routinely go to that place for meals (and business meals).

 

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2 hours ago, Hlitner said:

Had to smile about the "avoid restaurants with multi language menus."  We are talking about Venice where every restaurant has multi language menus!  And having traveled all over Italy I would add that this is pretty common throughout the country even in tiny restaurants that do not cater to the tourist trade.  One favorite small Florence restaurant that specialized in dishes with truffles has multi language menus and you will never see a cruiser or normal tourist since they do not know about the place.  So why, you might ask, do they have menus in English and French?  Because the restaurant is favored by some folks in the fashion industry who routinely go to that place for meals (and business meals).

 

Hank

Guess we get further afield both in large cities and the countryside.   We’ve been to a vast majority that only have Italian menus and speak no English.  I had to laugh about all restaurants in Venice having English menus,  really Hank! 
 

The good thing is if you enjoy Italian food you will be fine as you will recognize a lot of things.

A menu from a small town in Toscana.  
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4 hours ago, bennybear said:

Guess we get further afield both in large cities and the countryside.   We’ve been to a vast majority that only have Italian menus and speak no English.  I had to laugh about all restaurants in Venice having English menus,  really Hank! 
 

The good thing is if you enjoy Italian food you will be fine as you will recognize a lot of things.

A menu from a small town in Toscana.  
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Funny that they only translate the cinghiale.

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11 hours ago, marazul said:

Funny that they only translate the cinghiale.

 

I notice several of the main dishes are translated. Maybe they've had one too many tourists unhappy because they accidentally ordered rabbit ("oh no, I ate Thumper!") or tripe.... 😉

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9 minutes ago, cruisemom42 said:

 

I notice several of the main dishes are translated. Maybe they've had one too many tourists unhappy because they accidentally ordered rabbit ("oh no, I ate Thumper!") or tripe.... 😉

Eagle eye, cruisemom.

 

Thumper is very good. Tripe is not for me.

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On 9/11/2021 at 2:54 PM, Hlitner said:

Because the restaurant is favored by some folks in the fashion industry who routinely go to that place for meals (and business meals).

 

They're there for the clothes of legendary artists like Valentino, Armani, Prada, Versace, just to name a few (Ferragamo, Bottega Veneta, eyewear giant Luxxotica, I could go on and on) and can't manage restaurant Italian? Not one to judge ma, perché? It's Italy, where they speak Italian. I get that it's a service business but I don't know...make an effort? (Not you Hank 😉 )

 

And, they do the double-cheek kiss, very continental, but require a translated menu? OK, I'm done ranting. (But why? It's Italian food. Somethings you just can't translate...)

 

Oh and I'll add, yesterday, since I HAD to drive through Staten Island to get where I was going, it made sense to stop at the one and only Villabate Alba pasticceria on 18th Ave in Bensonhurst, Brooklyn, for what ended up being a one pound custom selected mix (2 free pignoli cookies!!) and ten freshly filled cannoli with confectioners sugar (of course) in fresh made cannoli shells. Turns out, they ship!! Prob won't be same as having the fresh cannoli but... since I was bringing these to everyone who never had anything like it before, the reactions from an international crowd were ❤️💯😱❣️🏆 and so they went fast. It's not Italy, but it's better than Ferrara, from Sicilian family, (not mine) and amazing. Worth the detour, but I already knew it would be.

 

Nowhere near like truffles in Florence, but should you want amazing homemade pignoli cookies now, creampuffs and what not, here you go. Oh and they make gelato, maybe they ship in dry ice? It looked good but I was full from breakfast. 

 

 

People don't know what they're missing if they don't have corniglio. This is (maybe) an advantage of no translation? I tried it in Emilia-Romagna, loved it and have been enjoying it ever since, though it can be hard to find on menus. Still love Thumper too. Both things can be true 🙂 

 

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16 minutes ago, Host Bonjour said:

 

They're there for the clothes of legendary artists like Valentino, Armani, Prada, Versace, just to name a few (Ferragamo, Bottega Veneta, eyewear giant Luxxotica, I could go on and on) and can't manage restaurant Italian? Not one to judge ma, perché? It's Italy, where they speak Italian. I get that it's a service business but I don't know...make an effort? (Not you Hank 😉 )

 

And, they do the double-cheek kiss, very continental, but require a translated menu? OK, I'm done ranting. (But why? It's Italian food. Somethings you just can't translate...)

 

Oh and I'll add, yesterday, since I HAD to drive through Staten Island to get where I was going, it made sense to stop at the one and only Villabate Alba pasticceria on 18th Ave in Bensonhurst, Brooklyn, for what ended up being a one pound custom selected mix (2 free pignoli cookies!!) and ten freshly filled cannoli with confectioners sugar (of course) in fresh made cannoli shells. Turns out, they ship!! Prob won't be same as having the fresh cannoli but... since I was bringing these to everyone who never had anything like it before, the reactions from an international crowd were ❤️💯😱❣️🏆 and so they went fast. It's not Italy, but it's better than Ferrara, from Sicilian family, (not mine) and amazing. Worth the detour, but I already knew it would be.

 

Nowhere near like truffles in Florence, but should you want amazing homemade pignoli cookies now, creampuffs and what not, here you go. Oh and they make gelato, maybe they ship in dry ice? It looked good but I was full from breakfast. 

 

 

People don't know what they're missing if they don't have corniglio. This is (maybe) an advantage of no translation? I tried it in Emilia-Romagna, loved it and have been enjoying it ever since, though it can be hard to find on menus. Still love Thumper too. Both things can be true 🙂 

 

Oh My!   DW is a true connoisseur of cannoli's and we will be in the Brooklyn/Queens area in a couple of weeks (on our way to JFK).  I will hide your post from her sight :).  We might stop in and have dinner at Don Peppe's which now begs the question, I wonder from where they get their cannoli's or if they make them on site.  Just to whet the appetite here is a photo:

 

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In the spirit of CC perhaps we need a new topic, "What cruise ship has the best cannoli's?"

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46 minutes ago, Host Bonjour said:

 

They're there for the clothes of legendary artists like Valentino, Armani, Prada, Versace, just to name a few (Ferragamo, Bottega Veneta, eyewear giant Luxxotica, I could go on and on) and can't manage restaurant Italian? Not one to judge ma, perché? It's Italy, where they speak Italian. I get that it's a service business but I don't know...make an effort? (Not you Hank 😉 )

 

And, they do the double-cheek kiss, very continental, but require a translated menu? OK, I'm done ranting. (But why? It's Italian food. Somethings you just can't translate...)

 

Oh and I'll add, yesterday, since I HAD to drive through Staten Island to get where I was going, it made sense to stop at the one and only Villabate Alba pasticceria on 18th Ave in Bensonhurst, Brooklyn, for what ended up being a one pound custom selected mix (2 free pignoli cookies!!) and ten freshly filled cannoli with confectioners sugar (of course) in fresh made cannoli shells. Turns out, they ship!! Prob won't be same as having the fresh cannoli but... since I was bringing these to everyone who never had anything like it before, the reactions from an international crowd were ❤️💯😱❣️🏆 and so they went fast. It's not Italy, but it's better than Ferrara, from Sicilian family, (not mine) and amazing. Worth the detour, but I already knew it would be.

 

Nowhere near like truffles in Florence, but should you want amazing homemade pignoli cookies now, creampuffs and what not, here you go. Oh and they make gelato, maybe they ship in dry ice? It looked good but I was full from breakfast. 

 

 

People don't know what they're missing if they don't have corniglio. This is (maybe) an advantage of no translation? I tried it in Emilia-Romagna, loved it and have been enjoying it ever since, though it can be hard to find on menus. Still love Thumper too. Both things can be true 🙂 

 


I love the rant, I guess I can’t understand why people expect a foreign country to operate in English and take their currency,  I was appalled in the Musee D’ Orsay where I heard a woman loudly opine that they could put the descriptions in English if they wanted to rather than enjoying the art while realizing she was in Paris.  We much prefer to enjoy the experience of different cultures and languages.  And in Italy they will work with you to make sure you understand.  
 

I will add to my suggestion to ask the waiter what is good and listen to their recommendations.   We had the most sublime meal of antipasti in the Cinque Terre,  with a shrimp salad so good, I ordered a second for dessert. 


 And then there’s pigeon with the head on!  DH will try anything,  good thing a bottle of wine could block my view.  But he found it delicious.  
 

We made it to the Pasticcerria that was on Netflix chefs table, Caffe Sicilia in Noto,  DH pronounced it the best Cannoli he had eaten.   Their gelato and almond desserts were sublime.  They use a local almond variety that they are trying to maintain.  970CB48C-EBFE-4326-9C38-E1B7331E18E0.thumb.jpeg.f699bd6afff8c818eb474470caa1a0fe.jpeg 

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