Just off the Dream-Horrible cigar smell from room next door

[Chris41]

The exhaust smoke comes out of a 50-foot-high stack that is designed and engineered to keep the smoke and passengers separate. Carnival does their best to try and keep the smoke away from us. No one wants to breath dangerous smoke on their vacation :D

 

Thank you for the infomation on the size of the stack unfortunatly that didn't quite answer my question so I shall repost it

 

I know that exhaust smoke can not possible be the most healthy thing to breath in so I would like to know what cancer causing things and just how much is put out into the air I am forced to breath on every 7 day cruise that I take.

Just because that stack is 50 foot tall does that smoke not get into the air we breath and does it not contain chemicals that can cause cancer by breathing it in?

 

 

Maybe they scrub and filter all of the bad cancer causing chemicals out of the smoke before it enters the air I am forced to breath

[yogimax]

That sounds great. If you cruise with Carnival, you know there is smoking. Why spend your money somewhere that offends you.

 

Some of the other posters on this thread should follow your lead.

 

Many already have, which is sad because Carnival has a good product to offer.

[yakdaddy42]

You are allowed to ...NOW...times are changing...I hope they change quickly

 

John H also posted about a foolish addicted woman who was smoking a cig in the cigar bar..while hooked up to her oxygen tank

absurd..and scary

 

all this pink stuff..pink ribbons and runs and good for these gals

you don't see many purple ribbons..or many survivors

 

Lung cancer is not pretty and not many success stories

 

My friend who died of throat and lung cancer had one horrible year to regret all the cigarettes she puffed..and she did regret it...very sad

horrible to see the misery that disease causes..and so preventable

also horrible to see people hooked up to oxygen and /or choking for breath with COPD

 

and all so preventable

 

John H said he is going to talk to the "beards" about the dangers of oxygen and smoking on board

 

scary stuff...I had another friend who would roll outside in his wheel chair and have a smoke on his screen porch ....with his oxygen tank inside

 

he is also dead....what a tragedy

 

Who can forget the image of the smoker who smokes thru the hole in their throat??? ((shiver)))

 

:(

 

Lets see, all of your statements are from adult people making adult choices. It might not be the choice you would make. BTW anybody the sparks up next to a oxygen tank is a dipstick.

 

I have worked in the tobacco industry, I have never held anyone down and forced them to use tobacco, it is all personal choice. I used to smoke 3 packs a day, I quit. I went to chew I used 10 cans a week,I quit that too yes it was hard but it was my choice. now I enjoy a cigar and hooch while on vacation and yes I smoke on my balcony and on aft lido, not in my room

[yakdaddy42]

Many already have, which is sad because Carnival has a good product to offer.

 

Cant be that good of a product with all the smoke floating around your cabin.

[Chris41]

Thank you for the infomation on the size of the stack unfortunatly that didn't quite answer my question so I shall repost it

 

I know that exhaust smoke can not possible be the most healthy thing to breath in so I would like to know what cancer causing things and just how much is put out into the air I am forced to breath on every 7 day cruise that I take.

 

Just because that stack is 50 foot tall does that smoke not get into the air we breath and does it not contain chemicals that can cause cancer by breathing it in?

 

 

Maybe they scrub and filter all of the bad cancer causing chemicals out of the smoke before it enters the air I am forced to breath[/quot

 

 

WOW!!!!!! LOOK AT ALL THAT SMOKE......

[Chris41]

:D

 

WOW!!!! LOOK AT ALL THAT SMOKE!!!!!!!!!!

 

Can't be good for the earth

[Chris41]

The exhaust smoke comes out of a 50-foot-high stack that is designed and engineered to keep the smoke and passengers separate. Carnival does their best to try and keep the smoke away from us. No one wants to breath dangerous smoke on their vacation :D

 

COUGH....COUGH.....COUGH

 

Wave hand in front of face

 

 

COUGH....COUGH.....COUGH

[Chris41]

Well I went and found my own answer to the question about the exhaust

 

The fuel consumption of a cruise ship is equivalent to 12,000 vehicles, exacerbated by the fact that the type of fuel used by the majority

of these vessels is 50 times more toxic than regular fuel. Big merchant vessels and cruise ships tend to use lower quality fuel to keep

costs down, but this is also the most contaminating fuel. This low-quality product is made up of the heavier hydrocarbon residues that

are left over following the crude oil refining process to produce higher quality fuels such as petrol or light oils.

A recent article published in the New York Times (5) quantified the air pollution produced by big merchant vessels, such as freighters

and cruise ships, as equal to that of 350,000 vehicles, and calculated the levels of leads and sulphurs in these fuels at 3,000 times

higher than petrol.

The smoke from burning fuel in cruise ship engines contains suspended particles, sulphurs and carbon and nitrogen oxides including

NOx, SO2, CO and CO2 or polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs). (6)

This fuel is not only used to actually move the ship along but also to maintain all the electrical systems of this veritable floating city in

operation: lights, refrigeration, air conditioning, nightclubs, shops, vending machines, televisions and a plethora of electrical appliances.

Air pollution is also caused by waste treatment. Part of the waste is incinerated on board, so cruise ships also generate ash and smoke

emissions containing toxic substances. As a result of this waste treatment, substances as toxic as polychlorate biphenyls (PCBs),

dioxins and furans have been detected in smoke from fuel-burning.

Pretty amazing when you think about it.

Why would anyone that is anti smoking ever consider getting onboard a cruise ship with this kind of information available?

HAVE A WONDERFUL CRUISE!!!!!

[Cigar Dude]

Mark, please do not bring Princess Caribe deck balconies into a Carnival smoking thread, it will only confuse matters.

 

 

LOL! :D

 

Chris41, we're sailing on Fantasy in December and the Legend next September!

[trailercruiser]

Well I went and found my own answer to the question about the exhaust

 

The fuel consumption of a cruise ship is equivalent to 12,000 vehicles, exacerbated by the fact that the type of fuel used by the majority

of these vessels is 50 times more toxic than regular fuel. Big merchant vessels and cruise ships tend to use lower quality fuel to keep

costs down, but this is also the most contaminating fuel. This low-quality product is made up of the heavier hydrocarbon residues that

are left over following the crude oil refining process to produce higher quality fuels such as petrol or light oils.

 

A recent article published in the New York Times

(5) quantified the air pollution produced by big merchant vessels, such as freighters

and cruise ships, as equal to that of 350,000 vehicles, and calculated the levels of leads and sulphurs in these fuels at 3,000 times

higher than petrol.

The smoke from burning fuel in cruise ship engines contains suspended particles, sulphurs and carbon and nitrogen oxides including

NOx, SO2, CO and CO2 or polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs).

(6)

dioxins and furans have been detected in smoke from fuel-burning.

 

Pretty amazing when you think about it.

 

Why would anyone that is anti smoking ever consider getting onboard a cruise ship with this kind of information available?

 

HAVE A WONDERFUL CRUISE!!!!!

That makes no sense. Ok lets make the top of the "smoke stack" the smokers area, I will then have no problem with smokers as the smoke will not come down to me. Put a rope ladder down the stack for the smokers to climb up and smoke, there smoking issue settled.;)

This fuel is not only used to actually move the ship along but also to maintain all the electrical systems of this veritable floating city in

operation: lights, refrigeration, air conditioning, nightclubs, shops, vending machines, televisions and a plethora of electrical appliances.

Air pollution is also caused by waste treatment. Part of the waste is incinerated on board, so cruise ships also generate ash and smoke

emissions containing toxic substances. As a result of this waste treatment, substances as toxic as polychlorate biphenyls (PCBs),

[Chris41]

Ah but it does make sense non smokers just don't like to see it. Non smokers are always complaining that second hand smoke is killing them. This second hand smoke is bad and yes I will admit it however lets look at the breakdown and amount of these same cancer causing chemicals that come out of my cigarette into the air and how much of the same things come out of that smoke stack on the ship.

 

Why would it be ok for the smoke from that stack to get into the air as compared to a cigarette? Is it because a non smoker is enjoying a cruise and doesn't really care about all those chemicals being pumped out into the air that we and our children breath?.....HMMMMM...Why is that ok but my cigarette is not.

 

The smoke does get down to where we breath on the ship and I can tell this by the soot that was on my balcony and also by the specks of black that was on my light grey suit.

[Chris41]

Ah but it does make sense non smokers just don't like to see it. Non smokers are always complaining that second hand smoke is killing them. This second hand smoke is bad and yes I will admit it however lets look at the breakdown and amount of these same cancer causing chemicals that come out of my cigarette into the air and how much of the same things come out of that smoke stack on the ship.

 

Why would it be ok for the smoke from that stack to get into the air as compared to a cigarette? Is it because a non smoker is enjoying a cruise and doesn't really care about all those chemicals being pumped out into the air that we and our children breath?.....HMMMMM...Why is that ok but my cigarette is not.

 

The smoke does get down to where we breath on the ship and I can tell this by the soot that was on my balcony and also by the specks of black that was on my light grey suit.

[Chris41]

Ok Cigar Dude!

 

We are doing the Dream in Jan and I think another B2B on the Freedom at the end of Aug first of Sep. Enjoy the Legend we did last year and Tampa is a real easy port.

 

I guess I should quit agravating people on this thread but it is kinda fun...lol

[Chris41]

Ok Cigar Dude!

 

We are doing the Dream in Jan and I think another B2B on the Freedom at the end of Aug first of Sep. Enjoy the Legend we did last year and Tampa is a real easy port.

 

I guess I should quit agravating people on this thread but it is kinda fun...lol

[Mrdillion]

In a 24 hour day, there are four 20-minute periods when balconies get heavy use by smokers and non-smokers.

 

Balconies like anything else... have a rush-hour or prime time :cool:

 

1) In the morning when non-smokers like to eat or sit out on the balcony with a coffee and look at the new port. Before going ashore. :mad: Unfortunately people who are hooked on smoking also roll-out of bed and fire-up the smoke clouds. Funny how a tropical paradise doesn't have that same magical feel when your neighbor's smoke floats on to your balcony. (smokers morning coughing and hacking up a lung... also doesn't help add to the beauty of waking up to a fresh new exotic location, for those of us who are not hooked on the cigs.

 

2) When everyone gets back on the ship and we pull out of port. Nice time for a glass of wine, and enjoy the sites on the balcony. Smokers and non-smokers both enjoy this same period of high balcony use.

 

3) Before dinner. The smokers seem to smoke those last few cigs to get enough drugs into their blood to make it through dinner. Unfortunately... non-smokers like to hangout on the balcony and catch the sunset or wait for the wife to get done with her make-up and dressing for dinner.

 

4) late at night, its great to watch the stars and the moon. The air smells so fresh and it relaxing and peaceful until you neighbor needs that last smoke before turning in for the night.

 

So if you smoke, you know that you can't control the smoke, odor, or smell. But you are lucky because you have long-ago lost your sense for how bad the smoke smells. Those of us who don't smoke have our trips interrupted by the smoking habit and addiction of other balconies around us (its not just always one smoker, we had 3 smokers with balconies near us on our last cruise). We don't want people to stop smoking, we just want carnival to tell us where the smokers are so we don't have to be trapped next to them for the week, as we both try to enjoy our trips :p

 

 

Where's the smoke bellowing under or around your balcony divider! Am I missing it...LOL! I'm a non smoker and have no problem with those that smoke. You are an anti-smoker and have a real problem with it and you don't represent all non smokers. You want to be told by Carnival if there is a smoker next to you...LOL. Maybe the smokers should be told if there is an anti-smoker next to them so they can enjoy their cruise without listening to someone complaining. Carnival has accomodated YOU by offering Spa Balconies. So, book the Spa Cabin, go Celebrity or stop whining.

[markstudy]

Carnival has accomodated YOU by offering Spa Balconies. So, book the Spa Cabin, go Celebrity or stop whining.

 

When people come to a debate about a popular topic and insult the debaters by calling it just-"whining" ...it makes me wonder if they are trying to toss out a personal insult, or just trying to belittle all the people who don't enjoy the smell of smoke on their balcony when they are trying to enjoy their vacation?

 

Your advice about Spa Cabins and Celebrity is interesting and helpful to the debate... so thanks for contributing your ideas.

Some people will ignore the smoke

Some will pay more to go Celebrity

Some will book a Spa Cabin (available on two ships now? Or has it spread to the entire fleet?)

Some people will speak out, because that is how change happens :D (and we have seen a ton of changes when it comes to smoking issues over the last 10 years)

[Flynlo]

When people come to a debate about a popular topic and insult the debaters by calling it just-"whining" ...it makes me wonder if they are trying to toss out a personal insult, or just trying to belittle all the people who are interested in the topic?

 

Your advice about Spa Cabins and Celebrity is interesting and helpful to the debate... so thanks for contributing your ideas.

Some people will ignore the smoke

Some will pay more to go Celebrity

Some will book a Spa Cabin (available on two ships now? Or is it the entire fleet?)

Some people will speak out, because that is how change happens :D (and we have seen a ton of changes to smoking issues over the last 10 years)

 

Not much of a debate.

 

Your only desire is to have smoking stopped on Carnival. Probably not going to happen anytime soon. Smokers are a big part of Carnival business.

 

That Hope and Change thing soon will be ending.:D

[Cigar Dude]

Not much of a debate.

 

Your only desire is to have smoking stopped on Carnival. Probably not going to happen anytime soon. Smokers are a big part of Carnival business.

 

That Hope and Change thing soon will be ending.:D

 

 

While this is "another story", I too am hopeful! :D

[markstudy]

Not much of a debate. Your only desire is to have smoking stopped on Carnival.

 

Its a debate, if you take the time to read it. I have said over and over again....that smokers have a right to enjoy their trip and their smoking activity. I'm just arguing that Carnival is being lazy by not going through the extra effort to separate smoking and non-smoking rooms. The result is that smokers and non-smokers are both caused some level of discomfort by being in close quarters with neighbors who have different expectations about what a balcony should be used for.

[Chris41]

If you make the staterooms on one side of the ship smoking and the other side non-smoking what do you ,as a corporation, when all the rooms are not filled?

 

As a smoker I would not want to be on the non-smoking side and I would imagine vise versa.

 

So what do you do with the 10 percent of cabins,just using a number here,that aren't filled?

 

Where should the corporation add charges to make up for the loss of revenue because lets face it we are on vacation not them and they do have to maximize the profit line to satisfy the shareholders and do what buisiness hope to do and that is make money?

 

How much more are you as a smoker or non-smoker willing to pay for your stateroom to ofset these losses?

 

Would the seperate side for the smokers and non-smokers really make a difference or would the two sides just find another reason to argue?

 

As a non-smoker that believes the two sides should be seperated have you paid the extra to book the spa cabin where available just for the reason of the smoke issue?

[Flynlo]

Its a debate, if you take the time to read it. I have said over and over again....that smokers have a right to enjoy their trip and their smoking activity. I'm just arguing that Carnival is being lazy by not going through the extra effort to separate smoking and non-smoking rooms. The result is that smokers and non-smokers are both caused some level of discomfort by being in close quarters with neighbors who have different expectations about what a balcony should be used for.

 

I think they have it about right, except for the casino. Cigars should be allowed.

[idiebabe]

Its a debate, if you take the time to read it. I have said over and over again....that smokers have a right to enjoy their trip and their smoking activity. I'm just arguing that Carnival is being lazy by not going through the extra effort to separate smoking and non-smoking rooms. The result is that smokers and non-smokers are both caused some level of discomfort by being in close quarters with neighbors who have different expectations about what a balcony should be used for.

 

The problem is you as an anti-smoker can't accept that Carnival has changed their policies over the years. You have a problem with their policy. You didn't cruise when smoking was everywhere except the in MDR, Lido restaurant and show lounge. They have accomodated the anti-smokers but it is not good enough for you. You want it your way and that's that! That poll that was running on a thread a few weeks ago was interesting. It was something like 65% no to 35% yes. Although that's not a true representation it still does show that there are a lot of people who are travelling that smoke or travel with smokers and just plain don't care about the "smell" or the smoke itself. If you want things YOUR way, then you should not go on a Mega Ship where there are 3000 people. Go on a cruise line that accomodates YOUR likes or dislikes better or go on the ships that have Spa Cabins (or book a room at the front of the ship). It is that simple! I don't cruise during the Spring Breaks or Summer Months for reasons without saying. Should I demand Carnival not allow "Spring Break" because I want to go on a cruise during those weeks! You allow yourself to be caused discomfort by a neighbor smoking on a balcony because you are so obsessed with it that you let it bother you. Those folks have a right to enjoy their balcony as well. If they want a glass of wine and want to smoke a cigarette, that's their expecation of what it is all about. Mark, a balcony is not close quarters. You are OUTSIDE..you are not in a closet!!!

[Shelbyjane56]

This was our 9th cruise with Carnival. We thought that Butch was our favorite cruise

director to date. The food and service was fantastic. We loved the ship. We had

a cove balcony which was great. I love the fact that the pools had warm water this time

and the serenity area was great. We did Cable Beach in Nassau, Orient Beach in St.

Maarten, and Secret Harbor in St. Thomas. All Were beautiful!!!

 

Im glad you had a good cruise!! Havent heard of Secret Harbor, whats it like?? We will be sailing there in May. As for the cigar smoke, we booked a spa cabin, with a balcony, as we dont care for smoke either, so it was worth it, didnt smell smoke at all. Id love to know more about Secret Harbor!!

[Cigar Dude]

I think they have it about right, except for the casino. Cigars should be allowed.

 

I second this.

 

I mean, what's the difference? Have you been in the casino? Enough cigarette smoke to wipe out a small country!

[DJZ]

Oh for crying out loud. As long as the tobacco companies can continue to make cigarettes, there will continue to be smokers. Yes, we all know (ad nauseum) that smoking is bad for us, smokers and second-hand. Yes, we cannot smoke in hotels anymore, or even in your own home if you live in some cities in California! But on a ship, a smoker can't drive to the other side of town to smoke. Hence, they are accommodated. I agree with the poster that the amount of smoke you're going to encounter on the balcony when travelling at 22 knots has got to be minimal. Reminds me of my ex-mother-in-law who quit smoking and would rail at her husband that the smoke was bothering her when he lit up--even if he was 50 feet away from her outdoors and downwind! Reformed smokers can be the worst!

 

That said, I would not be opposed to making one side of the ship or the other non-smoking balconies. But, again, like another poster said, then the non-smokers need to chill out when they are in a smoking section...