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Just got an email from a friend on Explorer. She said they have changed the rules fleetwide and are allowing kids from suite guests in the CL...

 

REALLY RCL???? During a cocktail hour??????? What's next? No alcohol cuz we don't want children seeing people drinking???

 

I LOVE my grandkids dearly but there is a time and place for kids....

 

Cocktail hour is NOT for children...

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Just got an email from a friend on Explorer. She said they have changed the rules fleetwide and are allowing kids from suite guests in the CL...

 

REALLY RCL???? During a cocktail hour??????? What's next? No alcohol cuz we don't want children seeing people drinking???

 

I LOVE my grandkids dearly but there is a time and place for kids....

 

Cocktail hour is NOT for children...

 

Kids have always been allowed in the lounge, except for cocktail hours.

 

To me, it is no big deal for kids to see an adult drink. I may be in the minority but I have never seen any overdrinking in the lounge, ( but then I am only in there for a drink or so – not for several hours)

 

Most kids would be bored stiff in the CL and I can only imagine that a parent would have them there for just a short time.

 

To me the underlying issue is the children will take up space. Perhaps RCCL will then use this to limit D+ from the lounge due to a space issue.

So, will children of D+ also be permitted?

 

M

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We are always hearing about the crowding in the CL. Now they appear to be adding more people. Does this seem like a good idea. Question? can D+ bring their kids?

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this is during cocktail hour..........kids with shorts, no shoes...crying ect....

 

Kinda takes something away from cocktail hour having kids in the lounge.

 

Could be a way to move D+ out!

 

I will be writing a letter to RCL voicing displeasure....

 

If anyone else doesn't want to spend cocktail hour with a lot of children around, then please write a letter too!!!

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Now you know I am usually I huge proponent for all things kids. :D

 

Well, not this time! :eek: WHAT are they thinking? Seriously? There is no reason that RCI needs to include kids in the CL. As a mom, I don't want my kids in the CL. It is already over crowded. They kicked out diamonds because of it.

 

And now they think its wise to allow kids in who won't even want to be in there but will be dragged by their parents so they can load up on free cocktails? :rolleyes:

 

Can you imagine toddlers in there? {shudder}

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Has anyone actually confirmed this, or is this just another one of those threads where everyone goes off the deep end over a rumor....

 

-germ

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I do not generally travel with small children but I’m not sure that allowing kids in the CL necessarily equates to “...kids with shorts, no shoes, crying, etc…”

 

Remember “children” per the CL rules goes up to age 18 so perhaps you will see some teens or pre teens. I’ve been fortunate to see some really lovely families on board.

 

With that said - space will certainly be an issue.

 

 

M

Edited by cruisegirl1

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Has anyone actually confirmed this, or is this just another one of those threads where everyone goes off the deep end over a rumor....

 

-germ

 

Hmmm- Wish I had thought of that!

M

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Joanne (cruizingduo) is on Explorer right now and has emailed this to me. She said the CL said this was a change 'fleetwide'....

 

Michele...thanks for your support!!!

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Joanne (cruizingduo) is on Explorer right now and has emailed this to me. She said the CL said this was a change 'fleetwide'....

 

Yeah, I understand that, but we've heard lots of stories from ships that never really turned out to be the truth.

 

-germ

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I have no reason to think she is not telling me the truth......

 

I am only relaying what I've been told from a reputable person.

 

I guess if you want it from the horse's mouth, I would suggest emailing a concierge and asking them.

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It's true. And if D+ complain, I think they are history. Of course some may complain about unfriendly subject matter for children being discussed.

 

 

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I have no reason to think she is not telling me the truth......

 

I don't think anyone here would have a reason to think she wasn't telling the truth, nor was that what I implied, in any way shape or form.

 

What I was saying is, there is a constant flow of "I heard this on the ship...." and it turns out not to be the case.

 

How many threads have we seen about crew members telling guests about ships moving to new ports and it turns out to be hogwash, yet we still get 10+ pages of people who are excited/pissed/melancholy all over hogwash. :D

 

With that said, if they'd made that change, no problems by me - I only ever cruise in GS's and above and pop in and out of the concierge lounge as needed. Doesn't bother me if folks bring their kids in.

 

-germ

Edited by MyNameIsGermy

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You're sooo right!

 

I'm just amazed that people would WANT to take their kids into a cocktail lounge!!! I would never think to take my kids/grandkids into a 'bar' atmosphere....

 

I have seen people drink too much....I have heard inappropriate discussions...it's just not the kind of place for children under 18....

 

Not that people shouldn't be able to come have their 'drinks' but leave the kids to get ready for dinner or whatever and go have one.......that's what we've done in the past.

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I'm just amazed that people would WANT to take their kids into a cocktail lounge!!! I would never think to take my kids/grandkids into a 'bar' atmosphere....

 

While I don't have a problem if they do, I have to agree with this statement.

 

-germ

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You're sooo right!

 

I'm just amazed that people would WANT to take their kids into a cocktail lounge!!! I would never think to take my kids/grandkids into a 'bar' atmosphere....

 

I have seen people drink too much....I have heard inappropriate discussions...it's just not the kind of place for children under 18....

 

Not that people shouldn't be able to come have their 'drinks' but leave the kids to get ready for dinner or whatever and go have one.......that's what we've done in the past.

 

My experience with the CL is limited to one cruise vacation, ten years ago on the Explorer .... but my "recollection" was that the lounge was not a "bar atmosphere" but rather a quiet, sort of nice place set aside for GS and above to "escape the unwashed masses" for breakfast, coffee and pre-dinner libations & appetizers. Haven't really thought about it too much, but wouldn't necessarily be opposed to kids being allowed during cocktail time.

 

A "bar atmosphere" in my mind would be Carlos & Charlies in Cozumel ...

 

Then again, I'm probably wrong and would chalk it up to vodka brain cells on my part. ;)

 

Michael

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Have to wonder if this isn't a move to a Diamond Lounge for Diamond and up and a CL strictly for suite guests (and from the sounds of things, their children). It has always bothered me a little that Royal Caribbean doesn't separate the perks for loyal, repeat customers from the perks for suite guests. It's just my opinion that the two types of guests should have unique and special perks.

 

We're just Diamonds but we were able to use the CL a few times before we were kicked out and even back then, there were lots of children in the lounge during the cocktail hour. Lately, we've seen an increase in the number of children in the Diamond Lounge during the cocktail hour. This will just make us more inclined to cruise Celebrity. They're pretty strict on dress and children in the Elite lounge during the cocktail hour.

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My experience with the CL is limited to one cruise vacation, ten years ago on the Explorer .... but my "recollection" was that the lounge was not a "bar atmosphere" but rather a quiet, sort of nice place set aside for GS and above to "escape the unwashed masses" for breakfast, coffee and pre-dinner libations & appetizers. Haven't really thought about it too much, but wouldn't necessarily be opposed to kids being allowed during cocktail time.

 

I see your point and agree with what you are saying. However, it is my opinion kids are not banned because it's a bar atmosphere. Otherwise, kids wouldn't be allowed anywhere on board the ship. ;) They are banned during the cocktail hours because during that time, not only is there alcohol served, but the lounge is a grown-up atmosphere and the presence of kids would only cheapen it. Speaking for myself, the last thing I want is to have someone else's little angels who can do no wrong in the eyes of their parents, or a screaming baby in this particular venue.

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Not directly related to this, but we just got off the Oasis and there were kids in bars all over the ship. I know the Rising Tide Bar is something to be marveled at, but we saw kids between the ages of 5-16. They were always with parents and never drinking alcoholic drinks that I saw, but it's still not an atmosphere that children should be in and I'm surprised Royal Caribbean allowed it.

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This will just make us more inclined to cruise Celebrity. They're pretty strict on dress and children in the Elite lounge during the cocktail hour.

 

Adios! :)

 

-germ

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I see your point and agree with what you are saying. However, it is my opinion kids are not banned because it's a bar atmosphere. Otherwise, kids wouldn't be allowed anywhere on board the ship. ;) They are banned during the cocktail hours because during that time, not only is there alcohol served, but the lounge is a grown-up atmosphere and the presence of kids would only cheapen it. Speaking for myself, the last thing I want is to have someone else's little angels who can do no wrong in the eyes of their parents, or a screaming baby in this particular venue.

 

I definitely understand your point as well, a screaming baby or unruly young kid there would absolutely drag down the atmosphere and ruin the desired experience. Again, not that I had any direct experience with that ten years ago, but I would hope that anyone who was unruly -- be it baby, child or adult -- would be escorted out of the CL (and we can all admit we've seen as many drunk or obnoxious adults in addition to out of control kids, if not more).

 

Michael

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(and we can all admit we've seen as many drunk or obnoxious adults in addition to out of control kids, if not more).

 

True. Very, very true.

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It's true. And if D+ complain, I think they are history. Of course some may complain about unfriendly subject matter for children being discussed.

 

 

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Gina, please clarify. If D+ complain, who's history? The D+ or the kids? :confused:

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I have seen children during the breakfast service touching food and putting it back, not using tongs etc. Would hate to see that during the cocktail hour too. Of course I have seen adults doing the same thing.:mad:

Not sure where RCCL's head is on this one. As some have said, perhaps a way to over crowd and get the D+ out.

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I am one that would be very much against allowing children during coctail hour in the CL or DL. We go in there for a little bit of quiet time and to have a nice conversation with other passengers before dinner. We don't often have anything stronger than a soda so it's not about a bar environment. We just want to get away from all the kids. Like others have posted here, kids are allowed in just about every other venue on the ship. Adults need a place to get away from the kids too. (we are teachers so are only able to cruise during school breaks when there are lots of kids onboard)

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I am one that would be very much against allowing children during coctail hour in the CL or DL. We go in there for a little bit of quiet time and to have a nice conversation with other passengers before dinner. We don't often have anything stronger than a soda so it's not about a bar environment. We just want to get away from all the kids. Like others have posted here, kids are allowed in just about every other venue on the ship. Adults need a place to get away from the kids too. (we are teachers so are only able to cruise during school breaks when there are lots of kids onboard)

 

I agree 100%. It's nice to have an adult environment for a brief period. I truly don't get why Royal is continuing to bow down to the almighty Suite god. Does loyalty mean nothing to them? They really are showing me some things in the last week that I'm not liking. :(

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Just received this last night from suite concierge via email:

 

"

The Concierge Lounge is a private area accessible on a 24-hour basis.

Due to the adult oriented atmosphere and availability of alcoholic beverages in the evening, only guests of 18 years and above are permitted in the lounge between 5:00 PM and 8:30 PM. We respectfully request that guests use footwear and appropriate dress while in the lounge. "

 

I think it disproves the rumour for me, ill try smuggle in my 7 month old and let you know how it goes...

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Has anyone actually confirmed this, or is this just another one of those threads where everyone goes off the deep end over a rumor....

 

-germ

 

We'll be on Jewel of the Seas on Saturday and will see if there is any validity to this claim, but my initial reaction to the post is that it is just one more case where someone misunderstood or misrepresented what has happened and everyone else has immediately assumed the worst. I could certainly be wrong, (it wouldn't be the first time;)) although I'm not sure why they would want to allow children, whether those of suite guests or Diamond Plus members, into the lounge during the cocktail hours. But, before writing to RCI to complain about this "change" in policy, I think it would be best to be certain that it is true.

Not sure that I understand Gina's caveat either. Removing Diamond Plus members from the lounge because they complained about such a policy seems more than a bit draconian.

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On FOS in July my wife and I would stop (without daughter) by CL for a relaxed drink before dinner. Each night a family would come in, complete with 4 kids 6-ish to 16-ish. Mom and dad would have a seat and order a drink. Kids would each grab a few plates of appetizers, a soda and anything else they could carry and head out, leaving the servers to replenish and clean up.

 

Problem with kids in general? No. Problem with parents having no respect for other guests? Yes. The rules at the time we no kids during cocktail hour and I see no reason to change it. WJ is open and only a short distance away for the kids.

 

<edit>

 

..and this was the only real negative we included on the post-cruise comment card.

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I LOVE my grandkids dearly but there is a time and place for kids....

 

Cocktail hour is NOT for children...

 

Children are one of the main REASONS for cocktail hour. :p

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and we can all admit we've seen as many drunk or obnoxious adults in addition to out of control kids, if not more.

 

Michael

 

Agree with you on this. On several trips we have encountered folks in the CL who really should have been cut off. We have also seen some rotten behavior by kids around the ship.

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Just received this last night from suite concierge via email:

 

"

The Concierge Lounge is a private area accessible on a 24-hour basis.

Due to the adult oriented atmosphere and availability of alcoholic beverages in the evening, only guests of 18 years and above are permitted in the lounge between 5:00 PM and 8:30 PM. We respectfully request that guests use footwear and appropriate dress while in the lounge. "

 

I think it disproves the rumour for me, ill try smuggle in my 7 month old and let you know how it goes...

 

It doesn't necessarily 'disprove' it...it may just mean that it's not been implemented fleetwide yet.....or maybe the concierges have the final say on their ship....who knows!!!

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Just received this last night from suite concierge via email:

 

"

The Concierge Lounge is a private area accessible on a 24-hour basis.

Due to the adult oriented atmosphere and availability of alcoholic beverages in the evening, only guests of 18 years and above are permitted in the lounge between 5:00 PM and 8:30 PM. We respectfully request that guests use footwear and appropriate dress while in the lounge. "

 

I think it disproves the rumour for me, ill try smuggle in my 7 month old and let you know how it goes...

 

Did that come from Carlos Ortiz on the Explorer?

Edited by LovesCruising

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It doesn't necessarily 'disprove' it...it may just mean that it's not been implemented fleetwide yet.....or maybe the concierges have the final say on their ship....who knows!!!

 

Or maybe that concierge has not changed the form letter?

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It doesn't necessarily 'disprove' it...it may just mean that it's not been implemented fleetwide yet.....or maybe the concierges have the final say on their ship....who knows!!!

 

OP said her friend was on the Explorer - If the message is from the concierge on the Explorer it should be accurate.

Edited by LovesCruising

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Wow. 12 of 35 posts have nothing to do with the topic of the post but question whether it's a valid statement.

 

:confused:

 

Make that 13 out of 36!

Edited by Mainer59

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Wow. 12 of 35 posts have nothing to do with the topic of the post but question whether it's a valid statement.

 

:confused:

 

Make that 13 out of 36!

 

That may be because most want to know if its true or not. Having children in the CL during cocktails would certainly change the atmosphere significantly. Our last cruise on the Explorer in March they were not allowed. Grandkids were with us - we took turns in the CL - keeping them out.

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Did that come from Carlos Ortiz on the Explorer?

 

Or maybe that concierge has not changed the form letter?

 

OP said her friend was on the Explorer - If the message is from the concierge on the Explorer it should be accurate.

 

You might have signatures turned off - I don't ;)

 

waterdave will be "smuggling her 7 month old" into the CL on Allure 4 september 2011 :)

 

And just to make this discussion more interesting - facebook is all a chatter with this discussion as well. So we here at Cruise Critic are not the only ones discussing it.

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Not directly related to this, but we just got off the Oasis and there were kids in bars all over the ship. I know the Rising Tide Bar is something to be marveled at, but we saw kids between the ages of 5-16. They were always with parents and never drinking alcoholic drinks that I saw, but it's still not an atmosphere that children should be in and I'm surprised Royal Caribbean allowed it.

 

While I understand that some (maybe most) adults do not want to be around kids in a bar or a lounge, I really don't understand why people say that bars are not the right atmosphere for kids to be in. We are always bringing our kids with us to a bar while waiting for our dinner to start. My DH and I have a cocktail, while the kids have a smoothie or soda or nothing. It never occurred to us that this is inappropriate. Our kids (now 7 and 14) have seen us drinking at dinner. I just don't think it is a big deal.

 

I get a sense that when people say that they don't want kids to see adults drinking, what they really mean is that they don't think the kids should even know that adults drink. Consuming alcohol is legal. Our kids understand that there is time and place for everything and when they are adults that too can choose to participate in adult activities.

 

P.S. I understand those people who say that don't want to be around kids in a bar or in a lounge, because let's face it, some kids don't know how to behave. I totally support adults only areas on a ship, provided that alternative areas are created for parents with kids.

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We are always bringing our kids with us to a bar while waiting for our dinner to start. My DH and I have a cocktail, while the kids have a smoothie or soda or nothing. It never occurred to us that this is inappropriate.

 

Oh my, this is CC where parenting advice is endless. I don't think you want to open that can of worms. :eek:

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