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I have a silly question which I hope some of you can help provide me with what the specifics are.

 

I was watching a promotion video for Princess cruises for the Australian market on YouTube, and the voice over said something like "Princess brings you luxurious American style cruising to Australia"

 

Several years ago I was chatting with an Australian on a Celebrity Mexican Riviera cruise, and he made the specific recommendation that if I ever take a Cruise in and around Australia, to do it on one of the American lines.

 

Wo can anybody tell me what the difference is between "American Style" cruising and "non-American style" or Australian Style cruising in and around Australia??

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I have a silly question which I hope some of you can help provide me with what the specifics are.

 

I was watching a promotion video for Princess cruises for the Australian market on YouTube, and the voice over said something like "Princess brings you luxurious American style cruising to Australia"

 

Several years ago I was chatting with an Australian on a Celebrity Mexican Riviera cruise, and he made the specific recommendation that if I ever take a Cruise in and around Australia, to do it on one of the American lines.

 

Wo can anybody tell me what the difference is between "American Style" cruising and "non-American style" or Australian Style cruising in and around Australia??

 

It is not a silly question at all.

 

It is not so much style as the age of the old ships which are used on cruises from Australia. Hence the comment to cruise on American lines in and around Australia. These are ships, such as Diamond Princess, which just cruise by Australia and are not based in Australia.

 

However, there is more competition now, so expect to see more modern ships, with luxurious American style cruising in the future.

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Suzanne

 

Beware of generalisations in this Forum. Australian style cruising, American style cruising, British style cruising, Italian style cruising??? Sure - there are differences between all ships that normally service a particular nationality. We recently spent 12 weeks on UK ships - I could tell you about all kind of differences between these and the Aussie ships we have sailed on. But mostly the biggest difference came from the fact that the vast majority of these ships passengers were British - and not Australian. :)

 

I would ignore the words "luxury cruising" anywhere - have you ever heard of any cruiseline using the words "non-luxury cruising"?? :) Over on the Cunard CC forum, there are many people complaining about the lack of "Luxury" and the poor standard of service and food on Cunard ships!! :eek: QM2 is only 8 years old, QE is 2 years old , QV is 5 years old. Your enjoyment (or otherwise) of a cruise in Ozzie waters will be dependent on many things other than the age of the vessel.

 

Barry

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I saw and heard that Princess marketing video, and I was like "Well, just what is this 'American Style" cruising, and how is it different from anything else" because American cruise ships sail all around the world and carry all different nationalities of people.

 

I kind of figured it was marketing hype, but I thought "what on earth would be more appealing about American Style as opposed to any other style, unless the American ships do something really different?" So you think it is just that the ships are newer with more bells and whistles???

 

I probably would be fine on an older ship as long as the food and people were fun. If you look at my signature my first cruises were all in the 70's on old, and I mean old, rust bucket ocean liners that has been re-purposed for Caribbean cruising. To me an old ship is something like the Rotterdam in 1993, which at that point was the 45 years old. Now that was an old ship, but still one of my best cruises. It was our honeymoon cruise and there was something charming about sailing on an old ocean liner. Perhaps some of the regular Australian ships posses such charm, and maybe some might not quite be so charming.

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The problem I see for all of us -- is that "experience" is like a one-way ratchet tool. Once you have tasted a really fine wine, it is difficult to erase that memory when you are drinking a lesser wine. But that does not mean the lesser wine has no qualities - or that it is not enjoyable.

 

I have noticed that for some people - the more that they cruise, the more critical they become. You see it all the time in these Forums.

 

Barry

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Hmmm...Australians have had very little to choose from in the past and so their expectations were based on what they had experienced as with everything..if you only ever drove a volkswagen then it would be hard to know what a Bentley felt like. As more choice opened up and cruising became more popular lots of aussies travelled more widely.

"Aussie style" cruising or "US style cruising" ...I think it is more an expectation of a level of service, food, style and polish...I like the US based ships they suit me...equally many cruisers love their local P & O ships and have a very good time on them but I dont think you would call it luxurious. If I ever had the chance to sail on one of the Silversea ships I could have a totally different opinion again. I have no wish to sail on any ship that has first and second class...goes against my aussie sense of equality.

 

The star ratings I have seen for the ships seem pretty accurate to me..just like a hotel rating. Its just nice to have a choice.

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Hmmm...Australians have had very little to choose from in the past and so their expectations were based on what they had experienced as with everything..if you only ever drove a volkswagen then it would be hard to know what a Bentley felt like. As more choice opened up and cruising became more popular lots of aussies travelled more widely.

"Aussie style" cruising or "US style cruising" ...I think it is more an expectation of a level of service, food, style and polish...I like the US based ships they suit me...equally many cruisers love their local P & O ships and have a very good time on them but I dont think you would call it luxurious. If I ever had the chance to sail on one of the Silversea ships I could have a totally different opinion again. I have no wish to sail on any ship that has first and second class...goes against my aussie sense of equality.

 

The star ratings I have seen for the ships seem pretty accurate to me..just like a hotel rating. Its just nice to have a choice.

 

Well Said, Rugbypopsie.

 

Australians, who have travelled overseas, know that, in the past, we haven't been offered value for money paid for our cruises.

 

We went to the naming ceremony for mv Pacific Jewel by our Governor General. When we climbed the lookout at Circular Quay, I was shocked to discover that the ship, whilst done up on the outside, looked a rust bucket on the inside. We were not totally surprised that the much hyped sailaway was delayed due to a rusty water leak in Sydney Harbour.

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Princess Australia which is dominated by Dawn and Sun Princess.When these ships arrived in Australia they put more Bunks in Cabins and to wander around the ships looking for a place to sit can be difficult.(Did they forget the extra lounges or where to put them?)

 

Food has been interfered with,ie go and ask for Eggs Benedict which is standard fare on all REAL PRINCESS SHIPS and the reply will be only on Wednesday and Saturday this week.Simply ask others and they complain that the meats served are inferior to REAL PRINCESS SHIPS, there are many other Menu examples of severe cost cutting from the REAL PRINCESS SHIPS.

 

My experience in the past has been a unhappy crew where SOME Australians have not paid the correct Gratuities, (some one off cruisers have paid no gratuities) stating because of cultural differences.This can also happen on the Diamond Princess.(Go watch the Aussies line up 20 thick to take the gratuities away on the first 2 days at sea.

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Hi Suzanne

I think he was referring to the only other option of cruises from Australia which is P&O which is locally based and consists of about 4 ships. We haven't been on one but they are cheaper and are older ships mostly 3 star. Probably would go with Celebrity or Princess which are doing a lot more here now. Hope this helps

Julie

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My opinion and this is only my interprutaion is that Aussie style cruising would relate to Australian based ships. For Pricess that would included Sun and Dawn. They would be greared more to the Australians. An example would be

they would have Australian power points in the cabins

They would show Australian rules Football in our winter months

Also one of the entertainment games is 'Woody Dice Horses'

Also some of the food would be geared to Australians. On a cruise I did last year they actually had vegimite.

Any way this is only my opinion.

 

Chez

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I was watching a promotion video for Princess cruises for the Australian market on YouTube, and the voice over said something like "Princess brings you luxurious American style cruising to Australia"

 

Given the wording it sounds like marketing to compare against the dominant operator locally, which is P&O. In that respect, I think they're just showing their background and that they're newer/flashier rather than American features as such.

 

By way of comparison, Carnival recently gave an interview where they said they're 'Australianising' the Spirit when she comes by e.g. having white bread with sausages (instead of hot dogs in a bun). That may give you an idea of the kind of differences we're talking about! ;)

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Given the wording it sounds like marketing to compare against the dominant operator locally, which is P&O. In that respect, I think they're just showing their background and that they're newer/flashier rather than American features as such.

 

By way of comparison, Carnival recently gave an interview where they said they're 'Australianising' the Spirit when she comes by e.g. having white bread with sausages (instead of hot dogs in a bun). That may give you an idea of the kind of differences we're talking about! ;)

 

I read the article on the Spirit becoming more Aussie friendly, and the Carnival rep joked about putting a clothes line on the back deck of the ship(using Aussie slang for one, and I can't remember the wording). But he also said they would be adding more lamb and fresh fruit, adding more connecting rooms because Australians have bigger families? and that they would be adding a Barbeque.

 

Voyager of the Seas is coming your way, so that will be a nice addition to your choices if you like a ship with all the bells and whistles.

 

Oh, almost forgot, Carnival is also upgrading their coffee service, I guess you'll get real coffee instead of "Navy Coffee".

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Australia has to put up with old hand-me-down rust buckets that have seen better days. People who have not experienced anything better absolutely love these floating hotels of scrap metal.

 

US, UK and the more astute minded Australian traveller know that there are brand new state of the art ships in existance that offer a far better cruising experience than the ships P&O Australia operate.

 

The Sun Princess and Dawn Princess which operate here regularly leave nothing to be desired compared to the bigger newer ships Princess operates like Sapphire Princess, the other Grand class and the Coral and Island Princess.

 

Some Australians will love what P&O Australia have on offer. The ones with the time, means and money to travel on the better ships when they visit know they are far superior and will never bother to try the rubbish P&O Australia has on offer.

 

My Grandparents have recently tried Pacific Sun, and they described it as nothing more than a dank, scummy, mouldy, slimey piece of scrap metal - They have been used to ships like Diamond Princess, Star Princess (2003), Island Princess (2007). There are worlds of difference apart between the ships.

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Australia has to put up with old hand-me-down rust buckets that have seen better days.

 

Posts like these are a lot of rubbish!!!.

 

I have recently sailed on Arcadia and Queen Mary 2 - I have also recently sailed on Pacific Pearl. They are all completely different ships - and I enjoyed them all.

 

To call Pacific Pearl a "hand me down rust bucket" is complete nonsense!!

 

Barry

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Well Said, Rugbypopsie.

 

Australians, who have travelled overseas, know that, in the past, we haven't been offered value for money paid for our cruises.

 

We went to the naming ceremony for mv Pacific Jewel by our Governor General. When we climbed the lookout at Circular Quay, I was shocked to discover that the ship, whilst done up on the outside, looked a rust bucket on the inside. We were not totally surprised that the much hyped sailaway was delayed due to a rusty water leak in Sydney Harbour.

We were on the inaugural cruise on the Jewel and didn't notice any rust - not more than on any ship that is exposed to salt water constantly.:)

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Australia has to put up with old hand-me-down rust buckets that have seen better days. People who have not experienced anything better absolutely love these floating hotels of scrap metal.

 

US, UK and the more astute minded Australian traveller know that there are brand new state of the art ships in existance that offer a far better cruising experience than the ships P&O Australia operate.

 

The Sun Princess and Dawn Princess which operate here regularly leave nothing to be desired compared to the bigger newer ships Princess operates like Sapphire Princess, the other Grand class and the Coral and Island Princess.

 

Some Australians will love what P&O Australia have on offer. The ones with the time, means and money to travel on the better ships when they visit know they are far superior and will never bother to try the rubbish P&O Australia has on offer.

 

My Grandparents have recently tried Pacific Sun, and they described it as nothing more than a dank, scummy, mouldy, slimey piece of scrap metal - They have been used to ships like Diamond Princess, Star Princess (2003), Island Princess (2007). There are worlds of difference apart between the ships.

I'm sorry I can't agree with your comments.:) We have cruised a lot (38 cruises) on all sorts of ships and even though we have the 'time, means and money to travel on the "better" ships' we are still happy to cruise with P&O.

 

You mention your grandparents' comments on the Pacific Sun, but I don't think you have cruised with P&O Aust. If that is correct, I think your comments are rather harsh when you haven't personally tried P&O. If you try it you might get a pleasant surprise.:)

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I personally havent been on P&O Australia and would not give them time of day. Like I said my Grandparents have, my Parents have, other family members have. I have been given sufficient information on them to determine that compared to what I have experienced, P&O Australia would be a major disappointment.

 

From what I hear the onboard product and service on P&O Australia is very inferior and lacking.

 

Example - Deck Grills - on P&O Australia you must pay for any deck grill food throughout the cruise.

 

On the likes of P&O UK and Princess you can walk up to the pizza, hamburger, fish amd grill outlet and get unlimited food all day, every day.

 

The Pacific Pearl is an old Sitmar ship. It entered service with Princess as their Star Princess, was eventually transferred to P&O UK as Arcadia, it was then transferred and became Ocean Village. It has certainly done the rounds in its time and seen better days. A link down the bottom to my facebook albums will show pulic photos I have taken. The ship is rusty, dinted all the way down the hull. Given that this ship has been moved on from contemporary brands proves that it is no longer a viable ship for the modern market of P&O UK and Princess.

 

The Pacific Jewel and Dawn are both ex Sitmar/Princess ships and were Crown and Regal Princess and one of these went to Aida before going to Ocean Village.

 

The worst P&O Australia has to offer Pacific Sun is truely a sorry sight and a ship that continually breaks down disrupting itineraries. It is a ship that was formerly called Jubilee in the Carnival fleet doing 4 night booze cruises. It has been broken in by many thousand passengers and is literally falling apart.

 

The problem with P&O Australia is they offer inferior ships at premium prices when the major players have ultra modern ships at attractive prices to sail on.

 

After all the cruises I have been on, I would not be wasting my money on any P&O Australia ship.

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My two posts are factual, not a winge. I have used factual evidence and sourced reviews from other people. It appears to be you above the one having a winge and resopnding with abusive type posts.

 

There are big differences between 25+ year old ships and 10 year old ships.

 

The reason that the likes of P&O Australia ships are not with their original lines is because they are no longer a marketable product to a customer base that is used to the most modern ships with the latest innovations in cruise travel.

 

Not only that as I described above the main lines are more inclusive than P&O Australia. You want grill food through the day on any major ship its free, on P&O Australia you pay for it.

 

I did my first cruise when I was 20, so I know all about modern trends, what the younger market goes for, and have certainly sailed enough to meet plenty of people to share and exchange information with.

 

On a scale of:

 

value for money

inclusive activities

modern ships

 

P&O Australia cannot compete with the major lines

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I am in agreement with you Sutho, and I have been on plenty of P&O, Dawn and Sun Princess ships.

My definition of "Australianised" is : old ships, more expensive, less service. (I don't mean no service, just less).

I wonder why the average drink price on P&O & Sun and Dawn princess is over $10 plus gratuity, a lot cheaper on the US ships. Why don't they have the "Special" drink price each night? I also don't think it's right paying over $10 for a cocktail made with cocktail mix. (not sure if the US ships do that).

This is just my opinion, and a lot of people disagree I know. Plus it's great for first time cruisers with nothing else to compare to.

I would travel on Sun and Dawn Princess again but definitely give P&O Australia a big miss. As for Pacific Sun, after the last trip on that I couldn't be paid to get back on. (Though the way they are reducing Pacific Sun fares lately they might have to start paying people to get on!)

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Australia has to put up with old hand-me-down rust buckets that have seen better days. People who have not experienced anything better absolutely love these floating hotels of scrap metal.

 

US, UK and the more astute minded Australian traveller know that there are brand new state of the art ships in existance that offer a far better cruising experience than the ships P&O Australia operate.

You're entitled to your opinion mate. But to come onto a message board, talk yourself up and then essentially insult people who may've enjoyed something you haven't even bothered to try, is pretty narrow minded.

 

I don't care who you've asked about the ships (whether it be your parents, grandparents or whoever). Until you've experienced a ship for yourself, you're not really in a position to make such bold statements.

 

I see you've done a lot of cruises. That's fantastic to see. Great to have another experienced cruiser on the boards. :) I've never been on a Princess Cruise. I would love to go on one and plan to at some stage. However, despite the yearning to go on one, I know I'm not in a position to make any sort of statement about the state of the ships or anything else like that. Let alone try and present them as firsthand experiences or facts...

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From what I hear the onboard product and service on P&O Australia is very inferior and lacking.

 

Example - Deck Grills - on P&O Australia you must pay for any deck grill food throughout the cruise.

We obviously have different views on P & O ships. I do not find the servifce inferior or lacking compared with other cruiselines I have travelled on.

 

At lunch time P&O have a deck grill at no cost. It just isn't 24 hours a day.

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I wonder why the average drink price on P&O & Sun and Dawn princess is over $10 plus gratuity, a lot cheaper on the US ships. Why don't they have the "Special" drink price each night? I also don't think it's right paying over $10 for a cocktail made with cocktail mix. (not sure if the US ships do that).
Ummm, when I was on Pacific Sun in February I was only paying around $7.50 for cocktails, whereas a glass of sparkling wine or a beer were setting us back around $9.00 (hence why we stuck with the cocktails). Maybe your bartender was ripping you off... :confused:

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I am in agreement with you Sutho, and I have been on plenty of P&O, Dawn and Sun Princess ships.

My definition of "Australianised" is : old ships, more expensive, less service. (I don't mean no service, just less).

I wonder why the average drink price on P&O & Sun and Dawn princess is over $10 plus gratuity, a lot cheaper on the US ships. Why don't they have the "Special" drink price each night? I also don't think it's right paying over $10 for a cocktail made with cocktail mix. (not sure if the US ships do that).

This is just my opinion, and a lot of people disagree I know. Plus it's great for first time cruisers with nothing else to compare to.

I would travel on Sun and Dawn Princess again but definitely give P&O Australia a big miss. As for Pacific Sun, after the last trip on that I couldn't be paid to get back on. (Though the way they are reducing Pacific Sun fares lately they might have to start paying people to get on!)

A lot of our comments (yours and mine) are personal opinion and we might disagree.:) The comment above that I have high-lighted is incorrect so it is not valid to make it a point of complaint. P&O have never had a gratuity added to drink prices and Sun and Dawn Princess have not had a gratuity added since 1st May 2011.

 

By the way, I would happily cruise on Pacific Sun any day. We always have a great time.

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I would say Australians are easyer to cruise with

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The point I have tried to raise is that these ships P&O Australia operate are no longer with their original lines for good reason. They are no longer marketable and cannot compete with the ultra modern competition.

 

In the last few years we have seen giants like Oasis of the Seas, QM2, lengthy roll outs of new cruise ships.

 

The ships P&O Australia have are the ones that have been run through and rejected as old, out of date has beens by their respective lines. That is why we have them.

 

As I said I will not sail with P&O Australia - I will back that up based on my Grandparents and Parents reviews. They have both been with Princess. They are ordinary people, they dont do fine dining and their night out is to the local bowling club or RSL club for a meal and old time dancing.

 

Based on prices and what is offered on board has also strengthened my desire not to sail with P&O Australia.

 

However the above reasons about why we have these ships is indisputable. Unfortunately we are not getting new ships for that fleet as peopel are used to the hand-me-downs. We should consider ourselves extremely lucky that Royal Caribbean is sending out Radiance, Voyager, Solstice, Carnival responding with Spirit. Now 2011/2012 we are getting state of the art ships. The US and UK had new ships 20+ years ago.

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Since when has it not been OK to be guided by the wisdom and prior experience of parents and grandparents?

 

Heck, I've been known to be guided by the wisdom and prior experience of friends, who have saved me from making errors of judgment!

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Looks like I've started a lively debate. Didn't meant to be controversial.

 

And I'm afraid this might end up stirring the post even more but I think that Carnival made the right decision in doing away with tipping on the Spirit. I'm sure they'll just build what they normally add on top of the fare as tips actually into the fare. So they'll figure out what the fare should be and then add $11 a day to that and charge that at the fare. Personally, I think the president of Celebrity was very misguided in his statement that "Celebrity would teach Aussies how to tip."

 

Who has the right idea Carnival or Celebrity?

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Hi Sutho,

Yes - we know that the ships that P&O and Princess have based in Australia were formerly part of other cruiselines' fleets. That is a fact. However, it is not reasonable to state the reason this has happened when we do not know. Unless we were in the boardroom (or planning department) of Carnival we cannot know all the reasons and it is not reasonable to state your opinion as a fact.

 

Please consider that these ships that have been re-located to Australia have been replaced by larger ships that are suited to (for instance) the Caribbean ports where they can cope with four or more superliners, whereas the larger ships cannot dock in many of our Pacific ports. Another factor could be our smaller population and how many people want to book on a particular cruise. It would not be good business to base a 6,000 passenger ship here if they could only fill half the cabins and at nearly all the ports they had to use tenders.

 

All I am sugggesting is that there are probably many factors that were taken into consideration when planing the placement of ships.

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AND - to call all P&O AUS ships "rustbuckets" (especially on HEARSAY for family/anybody) is nonsense.

 

or a matter of "don't confuse me with the facts - I've already made up my mind!"

 

Hasn't been there - hasn't done it - will never do it - but doesn't like it!!

 

Barry

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We should consider ourselves extremely lucky that Royal Caribbean is sending out Radiance, Voyager, Solstice, Carnival responding with Spirit.

 

Don't get too excited - apart from Carnival Spirit, the rest of these are "fly-by-nights!" Carpetbaggers!

 

Barry

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Don't get too excited - apart from Carnival Spirit, the rest of these are "fly-by-nights!" Carpetbaggers!

 

Barry

Exactly! And Carnival Spirit will be managed by the same team that manage P&O Australia. If they had brought these older ships to Australia, as they were and made no improvements or did no renovations, I could understand Sutho's "logic" (and I use the word "logic" loosely). But Pacific Dawn, Jewel and Pearl were all renovated beautifully. The Sun wasn't but, if the many rumours are true, she's on her way to being sold and leaving the fleet early next year anyway.

Nothing wrong with taking guidance from a parent or grandparent. But it's incredibly ignorant to write these ships off having never experienced one. If anything, your grandparents advice tells me you simply shouldn't try the Sun. But how about the other three ships in P&O's fleet?

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The ships P&O Australia have are the ones that have been run through and rejected as old, out of date has beens by their respective lines. That is why we have them..

 

But they have not been rejected, all these ships were built for Carnival Group companies and remain firmly in the Carnival family.

 

However the above reasons about why we have these ships is indisputable. Unfortunately we are not getting new ships for that fleet as peopel are used to the hand-me-downs. We should consider ourselves extremely lucky that Royal Caribbean is sending out Radiance, Voyager, Solstice, Carnival responding with Spirit. Now 2011/2012 we are getting state of the art ships. The US and UK had new ships 20+ years ago.

 

But are the Royal Caribbean ships not hand me down's too? Realistically if they had not been displaced in their prior markets by new tonnage, or those markets were growing at a pace that would sustain them, then they would not be sent here. With a population of around 23mil, we are a long way - read long way, from justifying the investment in a new build by a cruise company. Under 500,000 Australians take a cruise each year, that represents 2.17% of the population. If a similar percentage of the American population took a cruise then the market size is 5,859,000 - 11 times the Australian market - Europe is similar. That is why the cruise companies will invest there and pay only a passing glance at Australia, dipping a toe in the market to see what happens.

 

As a final point, if you want to cruise in the South Pacific then good luck with Royal Carribean, Celebrity or Holland America in our winter months, these ships are here for the European and American off season, when the profits are there to be made in the northern summer, then they chase the dollar and head north again.

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David

 

Your mature and logical points are well made.

 

There is another possible reason why these ships are coming here at this time . Because newer ships have indeed been introduced to the US/UK/European markets - all mostly large and "glitzy" and VERY expensive to build - perhaps they can no longer fill these older ships ( imagine calling Voyager "older" :) ) as everybody now wants ONLY the latest and the greatest?? I made reference elsewhere about experience being like a one-way ratchet tool. Once you have ratcheted upwards, you cannot go backwards. But following that logic, it would mean that all people everywhere would only ever want to cruise in the latest huge cruiseliner launched this year - anything else to some here would be passé.. But this is impossible. We are too small a market - and juvenile "bashing" of a cruiseline who has established a PERMANENT base here and sticks with the fickle market here will not achieve anything.

 

Barry

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The joint venture between TUI AG and Royal Caribbean Cruises Ltd. has offered sea tours for the German-speaking market since the spring of 2009 on board its ‘Mein Schiff 1’.

’Mein Schiff 1’ is the fleet’s first ship and has been designed for well-being and relaxation from fore to aft. With this format, TUI Cruises is primarily targeting couples and families who appreciate plenty of space, quality and generous personal service. The ship has undergone extensive conversion to offer state-of-the-art fittings with numerous service restaurants, a spa area covering 1,700 square metres, spacious balconies and loungers on deck to relax.

The second ship will be named “Mein Schiff 2” and is to be commissioned in May 2011.TUI Cruises expanded its fleet in May 2011 when it put its second ship to sea – the "Mein Schiff 2". Just as its sister ship, which has an identical design, the Mein Schiff 2 is a feel-good ship. Besides the established facilities and services that guests already appreciate on the Mein Schiff 1, passengers on the new ship can discover many more highlights on board. And the cruise line is continuing its fleet expansion: In September 2011 TUI Cruises sealed a contract with Finnish shipyard STX for delivery of a new ship in 2014.

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Exactly! And Carnival Spirit will be managed by the same team that manage P&O Australia. If they had brought these older ships to Australia, as they were and made no improvements or did no renovations, I could understand Sutho's "logic" (and I use the word "logic" loosely). But Pacific Dawn, Jewel and Pearl were all renovated beautifully. The Sun wasn't but, if the many rumours are true, she's on her way to being sold and leaving the fleet early next year anyway.

Nothing wrong with taking guidance from a parent or grandparent. But it's incredibly ignorant to write these ships off having never experienced one. If anything, your grandparents advice tells me you simply shouldn't try the Sun. But how about the other three ships in P&O's fleet?

I agree with your comments, but the Pacific Sun was extensively renovated before coming to Aust. We cruised on her to Alaska when she was the Carnival Jubilee and she was rather delapidated with the carpets threadbare in places and looking very worn out. By the way the ship was full and nearly all the passengers were Americans. They were obviously prepared to sail on the ship in that condition. :)

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Hapag-Lloyd Kreuzfahrten is the leading expedition and luxury cruise operator in the German-speaking area. The fleet includes the cruise ships MS Europa (5-star plus*), MS Hanseatic (5-star*), MS Bremen (4-star*) and MS Columbus (3-star plus*).

 

German speaking area = Germany and Austria?? Total population 90 million, GDP per capita approx $40000.

 

Australian speaking area = Australia , Tasmania and NZ :) Total population 27 million. GDP per capita approx $40,000 (New Zealanders and Tasmanians can wish here :) )

 

You can do the maths!! regarding what/how many "luxury" ships we can sustain.

 

Barry

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Interesting views from people.

 

I only done 3 cruises being with P&O. On the Sun , Dawn & Jewel. I know P&O ships are a 3.5 * rating compared to the newer 5* ships from the USA.

 

To me, cruising is all about having fun ,a relaxing time, meeting new friends, exploring new destinations. We have just returned from a 16 night cruise on the Jewel and have some lovely memories from it. Next year we are on the Jewel again with friends we met on the Dawn last year. In April ,2013 we are sailing on the Celebrity Solstice from Sydney to Honolulu. This is furtherst we have travelled so looking forward to talking to Americans about their counrty etc for when we eventuallly visit.

 

I've always found the staff onboard to be lovely people. Its great getting to know them and about their families and homeland cultures. They work long hours for little pay but always have a smile to greet you with. Unfortunately , I have seen some passengers treat them like slaves :( I always treat them as I would like to be treated.

 

As long as I have a clean cabin ,comfy bed, meals, entertainment and happy people to talk to I will have a great time regardless of the * ratings !!

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Interesting views from people.

 

I only done 3 cruises being with P&O. On the Sun , Dawn & Jewel. I know P&O ships are a 3.5 * rating compared to the newer 5* ships from the USA.

 

To me, cruising is all about having fun ,a relaxing time, meeting new friends, exploring new destinations. We have just returned from a 16 night cruise on the Jewel and have some lovely memories from it. Next year we are on the Jewel again with friends we met on the Dawn last year. In April ,2013 we are sailing on the Celebrity Solstice from Sydney to Honolulu. This is furtherst we have travelled so looking forward to talking to Americans about their counrty etc for when we eventuallly visit.

 

I've always found the staff onboard to be lovely people. Its great getting to know them and about their families and homeland cultures. They work long hours for little pay but always have a smile to greet you with. Unfortunately , I have seen some passengers treat them like slaves :( I always treat them as I would like to be treated.

 

As long as I have a clean cabin ,comfy bed, meals, entertainment and happy people to talk to I will have a great time regardless of the * ratings !!

I agree with your attitude. My enjoyment of a cruise is made up of many factors, the star rating of the ship being only one of them. I feel that the people I meet, how the staff treat me, the ports of call and the weather are each as important as how new the ship is.:)

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KangaGall

 

Good on ya!!!

 

I reckon that these cruiseships are all the same - except that they are all different!!! Regardless of how big/small new/old they are.

 

Barry

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