Crime Scene on Splendor Cruise Ship? Carnival Won't Say

[cdamion]

Jim Walker: you provided a link to the thread, so maybe your readers will see that there are other comments than the couple you indicated showing that people don't care.

 

It is as skewed and biased as your partial reporting of events across the site. You fail to acknowledge that the same thing can happen anywhere - in a hotel, across the hall in your condo, next door in your neighborhood.

 

There are bad seeds everywhere, yet you only focus on incidents on cruise ships. Your website is exceedingly biased and misleading. You are just doing it to chase ambulances for your bottom line and you are the epitome of what gives attorneys a bad name. But I guess it is ok to you as long as it gets you more press. The problem is that when something comes up that a cruise line really will need to be held accountable for, nobody will take you seriously because of your exaggerated claims in the past.

 

As a fellow member of your profession, I am simply disgusted by the reputation types like you give the rest of us.

[sparks1093]

Carnival won't keep nameless internet board posters informed? For shame!:);)

 

I know, right? The nerve! We should be privy to everything!;)

 

Saw this update at the bottom of the article:

 

December 21, 2011 Update: This article was picked up by the popular Cruise Critic online community and posted in a thread on the message board. How did the concerned Cruise Critic cruise fans react to the bloody crime scene and Carnival's spoliation of evidence?

 

Read their comments like "Doesn't affect me . . . Who cares . . . Ship happens" which you can read here. Unfortunately, this type of complacency perpetuates the sorry state of affairs on cruise ships where cruise lines destroy evidence knowing that their fan base doesn't care."

 

I guess he's upset that we aren't as freaked out about it as we ought to be.:rolleyes::D

 

*gasp* we're being stalked?

 

As far as Carnival not sharing...Try demanding that or local police department give details about a Domestic that happens next door to you. Most likely you'll get the same reply that Carnival guests got. What is the point of worrying about something that is already over. There is none. People just wanted the scoop.

 

Yep.

 

cdamion- thanks for your comments!

[H82seaUgo]

i'm beginning to think had cruise critic been around in 1912, a post about cruising safety would have people posting and putting blame on the iceburg.

[H82seaUgo]

As far as Carnival not sharing...Try demanding that or local police department give details about a Domestic that happens next door to you. Most likely you'll get the same reply that Carnival guests got. What is the point of worrying about something that is already over. There is none. People just wanted the scoop.

 

what i find interesting if there was a message board for your community, block, or apartment complex, and someone posted there was a murder in unit #1036, how comforting it would be reading posts where people say it could happen anywhere, get over it, and move on.

 

or worse, an eyewitness looking through a peephole suggesting going back to bed.

[sparks1093]

what i find interesting if there was a message board for your community, block, or apartment complex, and someone posted there was a murder in unit #1036, how comforting it would be reading posts where people say it could happen anywhere, get over it, and move on.

 

or worse, an eyewitness looking through a peephole suggesting going back to bed.

 

If there was a passenger who walked around the ship randomly beating people up and CCL didn't know who it was then they might be obligated to say something, but for an isolated incident in which the perpetrator is known and being dealt with then not so much. I don't know what their guidelines are for publicizing passenger's names but I'm sure they would be extremely hesitant to do so.

 

(And murders can happen anywhere and your local police will provide little information to the public while the investigation is ongoing. Personally all I would want to know if a murder took place in an apartment complex that I lived in would be if the suspect was in custody or not, other than that I wouldn't really care.)

[CrusinCyndi]

i'm beginning to think had cruise critic been around in 1912, a post about cruising safety would have people posting and putting blame on the iceburg.

 

Come on now, blaming the iceberg? It was just sitting there minding it's own business....LOL..and BAM....too funny ;)

[okgirl]

We were on the Conquest back in November when a domestic situation occured about 3 am outside our cabin. By the time I awoke, found my glasses and got to the phone to call guest services 2 security guards had the guy penned to the floor putting the cuffs on him.

 

They were very quick, I have no problem the way Carnival handles security issues.

 

I agree.......I was on a ship several years ago when an altercation broke out in the cabin across the hall and clearly from the sound of it a woman was getting the stuffing beat out of her....I called the pursers office and within a minute or so security was there and hauling the guy off........

 

On another ship after we had been in Cozumel all day, a drunk guy got upset with my sister because he thought she was looking dissapprovingly at his wife who was on the Casino stage putting on a drunken strip show.....he came over and got in our face and I thought he was going to escalate beyond his yelling to physical violence........I turned to the bartender and ask her to call security......they appeared within about 20 seconds as the guy was being pulled away by his friends.......Security detained him and took a statement from me, then went to talk to the guy.....

 

After that while he was still being detained in an empty lounge, they came back to me and asked how I wanted the situation resolved so that I felt safe.........I told them I just didn't want him harassing us any more for the entire cruise......They went back to him and told him that had I requested it he would have been confined to the brig, but that if he agreed to stay away from us he would be okay, but if either of us had a single issue he would be confined.

 

I never saw the guy or his wife again......but several of his friends the next day did approach me to offer their apology and said he had expressed his apology as well........

 

People can get stupid in Coz............

[happy to be sailing]

Maybe the interior colours drove someone crazy.

[foxesden1]

i think its tragic, what happened to the poor women, and I have no idea of what the law is, on the ship, or in the US - but if it was a domestic case, do the police need to see blood everywhere, or could they just charge him regardless?

 

I assume they wanted to a) not have the stains set, and b) get a head start on getting the room ready for the next pax. I am not saying what they did is right, I am saying, I don't know what the law is in these cases.

 

And in truth, a domestic is not quite the same as someone breaking in. They know who did the crime, they did not have to look for edv. per say...

 

Hugs too the poor women.

[H82seaUgo]

If there was a passenger who walked around the ship randomly beating people up and CCL didn't know who it was then they might be obligated to say something, but for an isolated incident in which the perpetrator is known and being dealt with then not so much. I don't know what their guidelines are for publicizing passenger's names but I'm sure they would be extremely hesitant to do so.

 

(And murders can happen anywhere and your local police will provide little information to the public while the investigation is ongoing. Personally all I would want to know if a murder took place in an apartment complex that I lived in would be if the suspect was in custody or not, other than that I wouldn't really care.)

 

you've made a gross assumption. only curiosity would make me want to know names, which, unless i knew them, would probably matter not.

 

there's a fine line between "i need to know this", and "this is something i don't need to know. but that should clearly be my decision.

 

and i would try to get as much information as possible to make that decision for reasons known only to me.

 

it's a business' best interest to think "they don't need to know this" to protect their business.

 

and those that sit idly by, thinking that any business has your interest in mind needs a wake up call.

 

i'm pretty sure years ago mcneil would have loved the tylenol poisoning kept under wrap. until they couldn't.

 

and how about finding out there was a serial killer in the area that went postal, and the info wasn't let out to keep a panic from happening.

 

in this instance, who knew (at the time) if the perp was known to the victim, or was on a spree. and then find out there was a known flaw in their lock system, or something else pretty silly.

 

but all it really is is another "news" story on an internet message board, and instead of reading, drawing a conclusion, and moving on, it's a field day to attack that author and that website, and his motives. i guess he's the guilty party.

[elcuchio24]

Saw this update at the bottom of the article:

 

December 21, 2011 Update: This article was picked up by the popular Cruise Critic online community and posted in a thread on the message board. How did the concerned Cruise Critic cruise fans react to the bloody crime scene and Carnival's spoliation of evidence?

 

Read their comments like "Doesn't affect me . . . Who cares . . . Ship happens" which you can read here. Unfortunately, this type of complacency perpetuates the sorry state of affairs on cruise ships where cruise lines destroy evidence knowing that their fan base doesn't care."

 

I guess he's upset that we aren't as freaked out about it as we ought to be.:rolleyes::D

 

Does it really say that? hahaha!

[csunshine860]

Anyone know about this December 15th incident in cabin 1306?

 

http://www.cruiselawnews.com/2011/12/articles/crime/crime-scene-on-splendor-cruise-ship-carnival-wont-say/

Don't know about this incident but we had one on the Carnival Freedom Dec. around 13th or 14th .... it was on deck 8 around 2AM male/boyfriend/husband had a loud fight in hallway with girlfriend/wife where fists were flying , harsh words. He gave her a black eye and cuts over her eye. Saw her on ship but no mention of him - no idea if he was still on or not. On the Valor the week of Dec. 4th verbal fight between husband and wife took place around 10PM on the Lido. Wife found out that husband fooled around with a single woman aboard ship.......everyone on the Lido deck near the Deli left asap..... oh how life gets exciting at times.

[big_duck]

Does it really say that? hahaha!

 

It does indeed. He also keeps going on and on and on and on about Carnival doing nothing to preserve the crime scene.

 

This ain't a stone cold whodunnit. There are plenty of eyeball witnesses including the victim.

[Gail & Marty sailing away]

Things will happen ......

[elcuchio24]

It does indeed. He also keeps going on and on and on and on about Carnival doing nothing to preserve the crime scene.

 

This ain't a stone cold whodunnit. There are plenty of eyeball witnesses including the victim.

 

I'm no big city attorney, but when you are taking information from a CC thread, I think the case might be in some trouble;)

[flynnsport]

crime scene?, the woman's injuries are enough to press charges...nothing in the room would do any good. nothing but fear mongering. Hope the woman is o-k and wakes up to get away from the loser and follows through with charges.

[Tucker in Texas]

Hi:

 

I have heard they have a "secret," unnumbered cabin they can use to separate couples/roommates if necessary. Nothing on the scale of this situation but there if need be for minor disagreements where it is not a good idea not to let them share the same quarters before it does get serious.

 

Tucker in Texas

[jeliissa]

[[[sarcasm alert]]]

 

Well, like the person on the website who replied to the story, I will certainly think twice before cruising again.

 

I do not want to expose myself or my kids to that kind of scene and I know that nowhere else on the planet did alcohol lead to a violent domestic incident. Im sure that it never happens in hotels, or in residential areas anywhere.

 

-

 

That website is fixated on the horrors of cruising and completely fails to acknowledge that people can do bad things anywhere. Idiot gets drunk and starts fight, or attacks spouse, or whatever, somehow it's the ship's fault.

 

I assure you that if they ship didn't clean everything right away, there would be an article on the same guy's site about how being in a cabin on a cruise ship is a biohazard.

 

The guy who runs that site is probably bitter because somebody didn't take him on a cruise when he was a little boy or something.

 

I was on the Splendor while this happened and I know that they definitely DID clean it up right away. There was actually lots of blood stains in the halls and the next day when I walked past the room the carpet was wet from being cleaned (still had stains though) and had massive fans on them to dry. This was indeed a crazy, scary situation but it will not change my views of cruising. This was a personal thing and had NOTHING to do with Carnival.

[joshloe]

[[[sarcasm alert]]]

 

Well, like the person on the website who replied to the story, I will certainly think twice before cruising again.

 

I do not want to expose myself or my kids to that kind of scene and I know that nowhere else on the planet did alcohol lead to a violent domestic incident. Im sure that it never happens in hotels, or in residential areas anywhere.

 

-

 

That website is fixated on the horrors of cruising and completely fails to acknowledge that people can do bad things anywhere. Idiot gets drunk and starts fight, or attacks spouse, or whatever, somehow it's the ship's fault.

 

I assure you that if they ship didn't clean everything right away, there would be an article on the same guy's site about how being in a cabin on a cruise ship is a biohazard.

 

The guy who runs that site is probably bitter because somebody didn't take him on a cruise when he was a little boy or something.

 

 

 

I agree, this happens at resorts and every other vacation spot too.

[StingRaysfan]

Just a few comments from the peanut gallery...

 

Everyones assuming the woman's the victim.... she may have sustained an injury, but then she may have been freakin on him first. I make no assumptions about that....

 

Secondly, good for them cleaning it up.. I wouldn't want to walk down the hall on someones blood drops. Take some statements, pictures of the injuries, and a few shots of the room. Done. What are they going to do, let the blood dry up there for the rest of the week? For what? No DNA evidence needed... it's pretty obvious who's blood it is, and even if it does go to some sort of court system (IF) it's not exactly a murder case. They probably made up the next day and she wouldn't testify against him anyway....

 

Lastly, as has been said before, it is not anyones business what occurred between the two. They, especcially the victim (whoever that is), has a right to privacy.

[rainbowflag]

I'm no big city attorney, but when you are taking information from a CC thread, I think the case might be in some trouble;)

 

This is the most HILARIOUS statement I have read on CC bar none. Thanks for the laugh. :)

[senkler]

Who cares? Ship happens? Doesn't affect me?

 

Until it does happen to you or a loved one.

 

I am not an ambulance chaser but I do believe customers have a right to safety. The attitudes and comments on this thread are the reason that there are so many crimes at sea with no resolution.

 

I pray that nobody here has to go thru it.