Capricruiser Posted January 14, 2012 #476 Share Posted January 14, 2012 By the way, the captain of the Concordia is Francesco Schettino. The Paolillo mentioned earlier is a local coast guard officer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipfriend_max Posted January 14, 2012 #477 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Sorry that I ask again - but does anyone now whether the ship will be salvaged or rescued or does it sink now? :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wetnwildsm Posted January 14, 2012 #478 Share Posted January 14, 2012 What is particularly interesting to me is that the ship rolled the opposite direction from the tear in the hull. It almost appears as if they were trying to either counter flood to keep it even and lost control, or perhaps he did it on purpose to expose the tear so that it cold be patched for the first step in trying to float the ship later? Really weird...someone was not paying attention. This should not happen with all of the modern navigational aids. Wonder if the pilot was still on board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lake5298 Posted January 14, 2012 #479 Share Posted January 14, 2012 The same way that MSC ship hit a reef THIS week and went aground for a while....and the MS Sea Diamond right off the coast of Santorini (was it?) that ran into well known rocks there, and sank. The youtube videos of that one seem eerily similar, tragic. Actually, it appears that the well known rocks were 74 metres away from where they should have been, according to the charts. Louis Cruise Lines commissioned a survey after the accident, which claims that the reef, which the Sea Diamond struck, is in fact lying at 131 meters from shore and not at a distance of 57 meters as is incorrectly marked on the nautical chart. The official chart also shows the depth of the water at the area of impact varying from 18–22 meters, whilst the recent survey shows that it is only 5 meters. The question that needs asking is... are the charts being used by all cruise ships, perfectly accurate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globetotter Posted January 14, 2012 #480 Share Posted January 14, 2012 It will depend on the amount of the damage, I guess, it's too early to know it now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeta3 Posted January 14, 2012 #481 Share Posted January 14, 2012 HAL muster drills take place on the promenade deck directly under the lifeboats. I've always heard the crew tell passengers that women and children in the front and men in the back. HAL also used to take attendance at their muster drills. This was my experience as well on HAL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlesteelo Posted January 14, 2012 #482 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Sorry that I ask again - but does anyone now whether the ship will be salvaged or rescued or does it sink now? :( I don't see how the ship could sink any further. It is resting on the sea bed. If it was going to sink any more, it would have done it by now. The site saying it was going to sink another 200 feet is ridiculous. there isn't 200 feet of water for it to sink in. It will be refloated, assessed, and then Costa will choose whether to repair and refurbish it, or scrap it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gentlemancruiser Posted January 14, 2012 #483 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Sorry that I ask again - but does anyone now whether the ship will be salvaged or rescued or does it sink now? :( Once the coast guard confirms there is no one left on board, the ship will have the fuel removed from it's tanks, water pumped out then send to a yard for repairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pianobar Posted January 14, 2012 #484 Share Posted January 14, 2012 As I watch with horror at the events in Italy, a few thoughts came to mind... I always wonder, as I stand with everyone else on the deck for the muster drill, what these smiling, relaxed crew members would be like in an actual emergency. No one can predict what they would be like in a real evacuation, even trained crew members. But as I am seeing early reports of passengers telling of less than stellar help from the crew, I have no doubt we will hear of stories of crew members going well above the call of duty to help passengers in crisis. And second, while I am thinking and praying of all those who lost their lives and were injured, I also find myself thinking of the captain of the ship. Having met a few on our previous cruises, I have no doubt this captain, like all masters of ships this size, takes the lives of his passengers and crew very seriously. Although the details are not yet known, it seems to me he was perhaps trying to bring a damaged ship to port or at least closer to port where rescue would be easier. I think we will never know how many countless lives may have been lost had he done otherwise. I have no doubt that this captain will be traumatized for the rest of his life having been responsible for the loss of even just one life. I am praying for him and all those who were affected by this tragedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruiseAdict218 Posted January 14, 2012 #485 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Sorry that I ask again - but does anyone now whether the ship will be salvaged or rescued or does it sink now? :( Re-read the above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddie2312 Posted January 14, 2012 #486 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Breaking news on UK Sky news channel comfirming the 3 dead were 2 French passengers and one Peruvian crewman. Up to 69 still unaccounted for. Condolences to all those that have lost someone. A very sad day for cruising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipfriend_max Posted January 14, 2012 #487 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Once the coast guard confirms there is no one left on board, the ship will have the fuel removed from it's tanks, water pumped out then send to a yard for repairs. Oh, thank you very much!!!!!! :) Does anyone have sources that she ship could be salvaged? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruiseAdict218 Posted January 14, 2012 #488 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Oh, thank you very much!!!!!! :)Does anyone have sources that she ship could be salvaged? Theres alot of damage done, between lifeboats, electrical, all those cabins, will Costa pay for that to be fixed or replace her, I wouldnt get ur hopes up yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarryandJacquelyn Posted January 14, 2012 #489 Share Posted January 14, 2012 My thoughts and prayers go out to all :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElizabethA Posted January 14, 2012 #490 Share Posted January 14, 2012 As I watch with horror at the events in Italy, a few thoughts came to mind... I always wonder, as I stand with everyone else on the deck for the muster drill, what these smiling, relaxed crew members would be like in an actual emergency. No one can predict what they would be like in a real evacuation, even trained crew members. But as I am seeing early reports of passengers telling of less than stellar help from the crew, I have no doubt we will hear of stories of crew members going well above the call of duty to help passengers in crisis. And second, while I am thinking and praying of all those who lost their lives and were injured, I also find myself thinking of the captain of the ship. Having met a few on our previous cruises, I have no doubt this captain, like all masters of ships this size, takes the lives of his passengers and crew very seriously. Although the details are not yet known, it seems to me he was perhaps trying to bring a damaged ship to port or at least closer to port where rescue would be easier. I think we will never know how many countless lives may have been lost had he done otherwise. I have no doubt that this captain will be traumatized for the rest of his life having been responsible for the loss of even just one life. I am praying for him and all those who were affected by this tragedy. I totally agree, my thoughts go out to him as well, as those still missing and there families. I guess it will be a while before the true story is revealed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.M.T. Posted January 14, 2012 #491 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Oh, thank you very much!!!!!! :)Does anyone have sources that she ship could be salvaged? No one can say at this moment in time of the ship can be salvaged or scrapped. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daisyloo Posted January 14, 2012 #492 Share Posted January 14, 2012 HAL muster drills take place on the promenade deck directly under the lifeboats. I've always heard the crew tell passengers that women and children in the front and men in the back. HAL also used to take attendance at their muster drills. We were on the Westerdam in December, and the muster drill was done prior to leaving Fort Lauderdale at the start of the cruise. We had to report to our muster station at our lifeboat number. They showed us how to put on life jacket and did a roll call cabin by cabin to make sure all had attended. I hope that is the way they do it on Princess when we sail with them in April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cocoanib Posted January 14, 2012 #493 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Prayers to the passengers, crew and all their families. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WINEMANVISALIA Posted January 14, 2012 #494 Share Posted January 14, 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16561904 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roscoegirl Posted January 14, 2012 #495 Share Posted January 14, 2012 As I watch with horror at the events in Italy, a few thoughts came to mind... I always wonder, as I stand with everyone else on the deck for the muster drill, what these smiling, relaxed crew members would be like in an actual emergency. No one can predict what they would be like in a real evacuation, even trained crew members. But as I am seeing early reports of passengers telling of less than stellar help from the crew, I have no doubt we will hear of stories of crew members going well above the call of duty to help passengers in crisis. And second, while I am thinking and praying of all those who lost their lives and were injured, I also find myself thinking of the captain of the ship. Having met a few on our previous cruises, I have no doubt this captain, like all masters of ships this size, takes the lives of his passengers and crew very seriously. Although the details are not yet known, it seems to me he was perhaps trying to bring a damaged ship to port or at least closer to port where rescue would be easier. I think we will never know how many countless lives may have been lost had he done otherwise. I have no doubt that this captain will be traumatized for the rest of his life having been responsible for the loss of even just one life. I am praying for him and all those who were affected by this tragedy. I really appreciate your post. I think they ALL have experienced a great tragedy...members of the bridge included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mferris77 Posted January 14, 2012 #496 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Theres alot of damage done, between lifeboats, electrical, all those cabins, will Costa pay for that to be fixed or replace her, I wouldnt get ur hopes up yet Not to mention that half of the ship is now submerged in saltwater. Anything that wasn't bolted down in the ship is toast. Electrical systems are toast. 50% of the cabins will need to be replaced. Anything on the starboard side of the ship will need to be replaced. All that moisture is going to affect the 'dry' side of the ship as well, so I imagine there's damage (or future damage, by the time the ship is right-side up and repairable) to be replaced on the port side as well. Engine room is probably a mess, given that seems to be where the hole is. Propulsion system is probably quite damaged as it looks like they came in to some shallow water before coming to a stop. I'd be quite surprised if they can (or choose to) salvage it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinta Posted January 14, 2012 #497 Share Posted January 14, 2012 I do hope Oliver finds his girlfriend. I'll be watching this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwayshappytocruise Posted January 14, 2012 #498 Share Posted January 14, 2012 The one thing that concerns me is reports that there was no mayday call from the ship to the coast guard before they began the evacuation. Wrona, if that is indeed true...***? I hope it turns out to be yet another false report. :confused: Lynda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruiseAdict218 Posted January 14, 2012 #499 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Not to mention that half of the ship is now submerged in saltwater. Anything that wasn't bolted down in the ship is toast. Electrical systems are toast. 50% of the cabins will need to be replaced. Anything on the starboard side of the ship will need to be replaced. All that moisture is going to affect the 'dry' side of the ship as well, so I imagine there's damage (or future damage, by the time the ship is right-side up and repairable) to be replaced on the port side as well. Engine room is probably a mess, given that seems to be where the hole is. Propulsion system is probably quite damaged as it looks like they came in to some shallow water before coming to a stop. I'd be quite surprised if they can (or choose to) salvage it. Oh wow, thats worse than thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarlet o'hara Posted January 14, 2012 #500 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Sorry that I ask again - but does anyone now whether the ship will be salvaged or rescued or does it sink now? :( Who cares about the ship, the people on board are surely more important! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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