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6 hours ago, ONECRUISER said:

It's nothing to do with Influenza and would make do difference if had a Flu shot or not.  GOOGLE: "Norovirus"  Common this time of year, doesn't matter it at home in school, at work or on a Cruise. "Norovirus results in about 685 million cases of disease worldwide each year"

I guess I didn’t make my point clear.  I just wanted to point out that being in closed quarters with a bunch of people is always going to be a risk.  Some people are just plain nasty.  Some people don’t think anything of spreading their germs...whether it’s noro, flu, or a common cold.

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19 minutes ago, Miss Studio said:

I guess I didn’t make my point clear.  I just wanted to point out that being in closed quarters with a bunch of people is always going to be a risk.  Some people are just plain nasty.  Some people don’t think anything of spreading their germs...whether it’s noro, flu, or a common cold.

And, most of the noro cases are in hospitals, schools and nursing homes.  A lot also happen in work places. Yet, people panic when it happens on cruise ships.  On a daily basis everyone is touching surfaces covered in viruses and bacteria but they only get sick occasionally.  25 cruises and the worst we've ever had is a cold.  All of us have also probably had noro at some point in our lives but when it happens when people are not on vacation they just assume it's a stomach bug and go on with their lives after staying home for a couple of days.  The last count I heard was 500 so including crew less than 10% of those onboard have been infected. I've said this before, but when illnesses go around at work no one blinks when 10% of their office is out sick especially in the winter.

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22 minutes ago, BND said:

And, most of the noro cases are in hospitals, schools and nursing homes.  A lot also happen in work places. Yet, people panic when it happens on cruise ships.  On a daily basis everyone is touching surfaces covered in viruses and bacteria but they only get sick occasionally.  25 cruises and the worst we've ever had is a cold.  All of us have also probably had noro at some point in our lives but when it happens when people are not on vacation they just assume it's a stomach bug and go on with their lives after staying home for a couple of days.  The last count I heard was 500 so including crew less than 10% of those onboard have been infected. I've said this before, but when illnesses go around at work no one blinks when 10% of their office is out sick especially in the winter.

EXACTLY!!!

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11 hours ago, Starry Eyes said:

No tape; I hope it eases your nerves a tiny bit.

 

My cabin walking tour is complete for the cruise.  My Fitbit reads over 14,200 steps...not bad for a planned light day.  I’m packing my suitcase and settling into the cabin for the evening.

Thanks so much! You are wonderful!

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10 hours ago, Miss Studio said:

I’m freaking out, a little bit, but trying to keep things in perspective. As I sit in my hotel room, a couple of hours away from Tampa, I saw an “over the top” report of the Oasis situation!  The reporter called it the “Barf Boat”!  So crass!  My Husband and I are getting ready to board the Rhapsody tomorrow.  An earlier post here says that the flu is on that ship.  I will turn Diamond after this cruise, but that diamond is very quickly loosing its sparkle! 

 

Be careful and be smart. Enjoy your cruise.

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I googled Oasis and then limited results for the last hour.  I received an article titled.  https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/1071151/norovirus-symptoms-uk-outbreak-diarrhoea-stomach-bug-contagious-warning-lincolnshire

 

Norovirus symptoms you need to know after this outbreak in this part of the UK

 

wonder if someone from that area carried it without knowing.

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9 minutes ago, itsmeagain said:

I googled Oasis and then limited results for the last hour.  I received an article titled.  https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/1071151/norovirus-symptoms-uk-outbreak-diarrhoea-stomach-bug-contagious-warning-lincolnshire

 

Norovirus symptoms you need to know after this outbreak in this part of the UK

 

wonder if someone from that area carried it without knowing.


Norovirus symptoms are the same in ALL parts of the UK, the USA, the Caribbean, etc.  

What a stupid way to title an article.

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This is the usual times of year for Noro and I have never really heard about people concerned with the probability of catching any number of illnesses while flying to or from a cruise port.

 

It would be interesting to do a work up seeing the percent of cruisers who fly to ports vs those who drive and compare that to the percent of cruisers who become ill from Noro and when their illness first exhibits itself...

 

I have never seen anything in an airport waiting lounge ever cleaned let alone sanitized.

I have never seen armrests, seat belts, magazines, fold down trays or lavatory doors sanitized.

I don't know of a place other than a plane where we are in such close quarters with so many for so long a period of time.

 

We live in a world surrounded by every sort of danger but using common sense and by following the general rules of cleanliness and personal hygiene we stay relatively healthy and hopefully make sure those around us remain the same.

 

Life would sure be boring without going to a theater, eating a hot dog or salted pretzel from a street vendor or taking the subway to Coney Island where we can white knuckle a ride on the Cyclone without a second thought..

 

 

 

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51 minutes ago, vacationlover_mn said:

It is so nice that your are doing this for people 🙂

It was nice that for every single request I could report good news.  It would have been less fun to dispense news that would make an already nervous traveler feel worse.  

 

I’m off the ship and headed home. DH and I will be back aboard in a few weeks, and we look forward to that sailing.  Watching the diligent sanitation, the odds of future healthy sailings are good in my opinion....the trouble is some passenger(s) may again bring the virus on board  and carelessly spread it.  That could happen on Oasis, a different cruise ship, or any public venue anywhere.

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32 minutes ago, boscobeans said:

This is the usual times of year for Noro and I have never really heard about people concerned with the probability of catching any number of illnesses while flying to or from a cruise port.

....

I have never seen anything in an airport waiting lounge ever cleaned let alone sanitized.

I have never seen armrests, seat belts, magazines, fold down trays or lavatory doors sanitized.

I don't know of a place other than a plane where we are in such close quarters with so many for so long a period of time.

...

 

 

I know many people who are very concerned about becoming ill while flying for the reasons you cite.  Not just flying to cruise port, but flying anywhere.  I certainly see people whip out disinfectant wipes to clean armrests and tray tables as soon as the board a plane.  Good start, though one still is in close quarters and has potential  airborne pathogens.

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3 hours ago, hummy0605 said:

We were on rhapsody on 17th nov and over a third of our ship had it. People were quarantined and staff used to ring their cabins to check they were in there. If they weren't an announcement was put on asking them to return. If they 'escaped' again they were escorted back and their door was guarded. We didnt have it but kind of quarantined ourselves as our balcony on the back was a sun trap. When we did venture round the pool a poor lady vomited right by tge side of us so back to our cabin we went. Even with letters in cabins and announcements there were still people coming out of bathrooms without washing their hands. The whole ship was deep cleaned and sanitised when we arrived back

Are you sure that a third had it?  Anything more than 2% has to be reported to CDC.  There is nothing regarding the Rhapsody sailing on the CDC site.  Also, how did you know that people were coming out of bathrooms without washing their hands?  Norovirus is highly contagious and someone with good hygiene practice can still contract it.

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4 minutes ago, CEOofVacation said:

Are you sure that a third had it?  Anything more than 2% has to be reported to CDC.  There is nothing regarding the Rhapsody sailing on the CDC site.  Also, how did you know that people were coming out of bathrooms without washing their hands?  Norovirus is highly contagious and someone with good hygiene practice can still contract it.

Because staff were telling us a third had it. They may have been wrong but thats what we were told. Both my husband and i were in our respective bathrooms on various parts of the ship and saw people coming out of cubicles and going straight out the door without washing their hands. Happened every night. On the day we left ship everything was taken out of cabins, deep cleaned and disinfected

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15 minutes ago, CEOofVacation said:

Are you sure that a third had it?  Anything more than 2% has to be reported to CDC.  There is nothing regarding the Rhapsody sailing on the CDC site.  Also, how did you know that people were coming out of bathrooms without washing their hands?  Norovirus is highly contagious and someone with good hygiene practice can still contract it.

I say we tar & feather anyone with Noro Virus! I mean it is clear to some CC peeps think that they did not practice good hygiene.🙄

 

 

 

Edited by Reader0108598

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To RCCL/RCI,  Perhaps the returning passengers on b2b should all have their footwear sprayed down with antiseptics just before re-boarding the ship. Or take it one step further and have all passengers footwear sanitized before boarding as well as returning crew members. This occurred to all passengers on our excursions in Antarctica. The cruise line did not want returning passengers tracking penquin guano all through out the ship. One would think penquin guano is most innocuous compared to everything else being tracked on board. The Japanese have a great cultural habit of leaving their 'street' footwear outside their homes and thus not tracking the filth of the outside world into their inner sanctums. Or are you all of the sort that believes that your contact with filth and disease is great because it builds up your immunities.

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32 minutes ago, Reader0108598 said:

 

 

 

 

43 minutes ago, CEOofVacation said:

  Norovirus is highly contagious and someone with good hygiene practice can still contract it.

 

Excellent and so true.  I don't REALLY see ANYONE on this thread that doesn't agree totally.  

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On ‎1‎/‎9‎/‎2019 at 9:10 PM, boscobeans said:

 

As  I have been posting for years whenever  the situation becomes popular, PERSONAL hygiene, common sense and a good product to help is the way to go.

 

We wash our hands and use sanitizer frequently. We spray our stateroom down (goes for hotel rooms as well) when we first walk in. Only takes a few minutes at the most. All switches, knobs, controllers, door and drawer handles, phones, bathroom surfaces BASICALLY EVERYTHING. We do use a product that DOES kill Noro and leaves behind no residue and once dry is food safe without the need to rinse even on silverware, dishes and glasses. 

 

We also carry it with us in a small spray bottle and since there is nothing in it that we have found to be toxic in any way we use it as a hand sanitizer as well. I would not recommend that as it is our choice and not a recommended use. 

 

Never got sick even when on ships that were in condition red with libraries emptied, no self service anywhere even for coffee or juices, chlorine based sanitizers used all over the ship on stair rails, hallway rails and furniture being sprayed during the night, no handshaking and the entire drill many of us have experienced. 

 

Lucky ??  Could be, but so far so good.

 

Three little bottles is enough to last an entire cruise along with hand washing (the most important) common sense and be careful.

 

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What disinfectant are you filling the bottles with?

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58 minutes ago, CEOofVacation said:

Are you sure that a third had it?  Anything more than 2% has to be reported to CDC.  There is nothing regarding the Rhapsody sailing on the CDC site.  Also, how did you know that people were coming out of bathrooms without washing their hands?  Norovirus is highly contagious and someone with good hygiene practice can still contract it.

Agree, but probably just misinformed. If 1/3 had it we'd have heard about it when was mandatory reported. 

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15 hours ago, Teacher42 said:

Obviously 500 or so of us failed to follow proper hygiene , unless it can be proved otherwise.

 

Contracting the virus does NOT necessarily mean you failed to follow proper hygiene.  Most articles about Norovirus advise that alcohol based hand cleaners are not very effective against Noro - only warm water and soap hand washing is.  So a passenger making a best faith effort to “washy washy” with hand cleaner at every possible point can still be unlucky and get sick.  

 

Please be sensitive and not cast others in such a negative light without some basis in fact.  Thanks.  

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1 hour ago, fla gang said:

I wonder what other Royal ships are experiencing guests sick with Gastro illness?

 

Every ship, on the majority of cruises. 

 

Just rarely becomes an outbreak like this one. 

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35 minutes ago, MTLCRUISER72 said:

😂 No seriously .

 

Like I have stated already, I have no reason to recommend this product other than the fact that is does kill Noro on surfaces. Does not require rinsing , hasn't stained anything in the years we've been using it and the worst smell it has is that of evaporating alcohol. 

 

Alpet D-2 Surface sanitizer.  FOR SURFACES-NOT INTENDED AS A HAND SANITIZER

 

We just bought a 32 ounce bottle on line for about $17.00 and it includes a large sprayer for the entire bottle. 

 

When we first started using it years ago we would bring the sealed bottle on in our carry on bag, but since have learned that about 8 ounces is enough  hence the smaller bottles. ( PACKED IN LEAKPROOF PLASTIC BAGGIES.)

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Dear Sarg, I do not disagree, but all the 'washy-washy'  in  the world is not going to help us all if your infected fellow passengers do not follow decent protocols. Like in prior posts, quarantined passengers sneaking out of their cabins, not washing their hands in the restrooms, coughing in our faces, or just coughing all over the furniture, vomiting on the floor in front of us and splattering our shoes or just walking through it unaware we are tracking it back to our cabins. How can an avowed misanthrope, like myself be so sensitive of such insensitive  actions of others?

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17 minutes ago, GarlicBread said:

 

Every ship, on the majority of cruises. 

 

Just rarely becomes an outbreak like this one. 

On a side note, I started feeling nauseated towards the end of dinner one evening on our Apr/May 2018 Greek isles cruise on Celebrity Reflection. That day, we ate lunch at a nice Greek restaurant in Athens, followed by a slice of watery gluten-free cake from Cafe Al Bacio and a scoop of gelato on our return to the ship.  That was my one indulgence on that cruise.  I threw up twice within an hour after dinner.  I called guest services and no one answered.  I called the emergency line and was scolded.  We headed down to medical center and they were closed and many of the crew members on that deck had no idea on how to get hold of them.  Someone finally got hold of a nurse and we saw her, followed by the doctor.  The doctor said I had food poisoning and they had ZERO reported case of norovirus onboard.  We were relieved to hear it.  He gave me a shot and said I should be able to sleep.  If I vomited again, to come back at 8am.  I slept well and was fine thereafter.

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I just bought these and having it shipped to my local Staples. Will be using these to wipe the surfaces of the room before we enter (we leave on the Oasis on the 20th). These wipes are listed on the EPA PDF that someone posted about, and listed on Clorox's site https://www.cloroxpro.com/pathogens/norovirus/
 

https://www.staples.ca/en/abc/product_900546_1-CA_1_20001

 

I will probably wait before getting some good hand sanitizer. Hopefully the people leaving on the 13th have no more incidences, and if so we will just resort to good old handwashing with soap and avoiding touching what we don't need to. 

 

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Dear CEO, Sounds more likely that the culprit in your case was that 'nice' Greek restaurant in Athens. Since doctor reported zero cases on board at that time. More than you, must have had the watery gf cake and gelato.  Brings to mind a gentlemen in our travel group who had a last delightful meal in Vietnam before our flight back home after our cruise. He developed symptoms on the flight, we shared our car service with him on the way from the airport. We had the driver pull off to the side of the road so he could jump out and vomit.  It is no joke and no amount of immunity is built up at our age for this kind of thing. When we arrived at his home he called his son  and had himself checked into the hospital.

     We learned that should you desire to eat in a foreign country it is best to get or go with a local that frequents the establishment regularly, or in our case we invited the piano player on board to take us all to his favorite restaurants in ports, our treat. He always recommended what or what not to eat. Perhaps we were just lucky or perhaps not.

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1 hour ago, boscobeans said:

 

Like I have stated already, I have no reason to recommend this product other than the fact that is does kill Noro on surfaces. Does not require rinsing , hasn't stained anything in the years we've been using it and the worst smell it has is that of evaporating alcohol. 

 

Alpet D-2 Surface sanitizer.  FOR SURFACES-NOT INTENDED AS A HAND SANITIZER

 

We just bought a 32 ounce bottle on line for about $17.00 and it includes a large sprayer for the entire bottle. 

 

When we first started using it years ago we would bring the sealed bottle on in our carry on bag, but since have learned that about 8 ounces is enough  hence the smaller bottles. ( PACKED IN LEAKPROOF PLASTIC BAGGIES.)

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Thanks, I was thinking about that and/or Purefypro which already comes in travel size spray. And to be on the safe side Clorox wipes.

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I wish all the Oasis passengers well. By know they are all off the ship. I hope RCCL also sanitizes the terminal so the passengers getting on this Sunday stay healthy.   Same for those getting off and then those getting on Enchantment Monday.  

 

M

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6 hours ago, CEOofVacation said:

Are you sure that a third had it?  Anything more than 2% has to be reported to CDC.  There is nothing regarding the Rhapsody sailing on the CDC site.  Also, how did you know that people were coming out of bathrooms without washing their hands?  Norovirus is highly contagious and someone with good hygiene practice can still contract it.

Rhapsody was not sailing from a US port  on Nov 13 2018 when the previous poster shared an issue with norovirus.   CDC is not involved with investigating illness on ships worldwide. They are focused on ships departing from the US.  Not fair to attack the messenger unless you analyze and have a understanding of the facts involved.

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To all, Having gone to the recent post by NouCruzer  and the link most graciously provided. The CDC has a protocol for sanitizing using bleach and hydrogen peroxide for norovirus. Since other prior posts have reported that the norovirus remains present in the saliva for up to 3-4 days after symptoms pass, perhaps it would be advisable for those with symptoms to begin brushing their teeth with glyoxide, an oral antiseptic of 3% peroxide, as an added prophylatic.

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Teacher42,

 

The salient point made in the CDC presentation is that the infectivity of virus that is shed after resolution of symptoms is simply not known.  And virus (detectable by the RT-PCR test described) can be shed for much longer in other body excretions for times that are greater than the 3-4 days in saliva.  Given the lack of evidence that noro can be transmitted via saliva exposure, normal oral hygiene is likely to be sufficient.

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7 hours ago, fla gang said:

I wonder what other Royal ships are experiencing guests sick with Gastro illness?

Don't you wonder about all the other cruise ship lines?  It is not just Royal problem.  Schools are germ fests this time of year as any parent or teacher can tell you.

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3 minutes ago, squadron said:

Don't you wonder about all the other cruise ship lines?  It is not just Royal problem.  Schools are germ fests this time of year as any parent or teacher can tell you.

Plus many younger children are in daycare and share a confined communal area because both parents have to work to make a decent living.

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6 hours ago, CEOofVacation said:

On a side note, I started feeling nauseated towards the end of dinner one evening on our Apr/May 2018 Greek isles cruise on Celebrity Reflection. That day, we ate lunch at a nice Greek restaurant in Athens, followed by a slice of watery gluten-free cake from Cafe Al Bacio and a scoop of gelato on our return to the ship.  That was my one indulgence on that cruise.  I threw up twice within an hour after dinner.  I called guest services and no one answered.  I called the emergency line and was scolded.  We headed down to medical center and they were closed and many of the crew members on that deck had no idea on how to get hold of them.  Someone finally got hold of a nurse and we saw her, followed by the doctor.  The doctor said I had food poisoning and they had ZERO reported case of norovirus onboard.  We were relieved to hear it.  He gave me a shot and said I should be able to sleep.  If I vomited again, to come back at 8am.  I slept well and was fine thereafter.

 

If you have food poisoning it hits you very hard and very soon after eating a meal.  Noro is a slower process and you start feeling unwell gradually depending on how great your exposure is.  Speaking as someone who has had both once on a flight returning to NY and last year with RCL.

 

MARAPRINCE

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Not going back 12 pages. Just read this page. I heard from the most reliable source. That they think it was a child in Adventure Ocean the vomited 2 hours after leaving port. Makes sense that this could cause the perfect storm. The kids get infected they pass it to other kids, parents and siblings, and they pass it to others.  Royal bent over backwards to accommodate everyone. I still can't believe they gave 100% refunds and not future cruise certificates. Plus they offered to pay up to $200 for a hotel room, and up to $200 for airline change fees.. The B2bs were transferred to a hotel  and given meal vouchers. Then they are to be escorted back to the ship in the morning. I'm sure the shareholders are having a fit. This cost Royal big time both in cash and bad PR. All in all I don't think any cruise line could have handled it better.

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21 hours ago, Miss Studio said:

I’m freaking out, a little bit, but trying to keep things in perspective. As I sit in my hotel room, a couple of hours away from Tampa, I saw an “over the top” report of the Oasis situation!  The reporter called it the “Barf Boat”!  So crass!  My Husband and I are getting ready to board the Rhapsody tomorrow.  An earlier post here says that the flu is on that ship.  I will turn Diamond after this cruise, but that diamond is very quickly loosing its sparkle! 

It's flu season. I would be that it is more than just Rhapsody that has a passenger or two with the flu. 

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