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Yes, this has been an interesting story. Will be waiting for future update to see if they get their money refunded in full.

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Hmmm. I feel for them and hope they get their money back from RCI. But, I now know why he was deemed a "high risk" person. If he hadn't tried to hide it in the faux spray can, they probably would have let them board after the test.

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Hid the tobacco in a hair spray can with a false bottom?

 

But they thought it was okay?

 

I'm totally with RCI on this one. It's a judgment call, but they considered them a "risk", and I don't blame them. Stupid enough to try and smuggle tobacco on board, be it legal or not..... I don't want you on my cruise either. Get a life and get a clue...

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Thanks for the link, Steve. Good to read "the rest of the story."

 

The husband definitely used poor judgment in his packing. I do think RCI should have let them reboard after the testing showed negative. Hope they get a refund.

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While it takes up more space in the luggage, I always bring my medicine bottles, and have my vitamins packaged in labeled packets. If they'd brought the tobacco in the original packaging preferably sealed, they probably would have been allowed to board.

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"But because they were denied boarding for breaching the guest conduct policy, Royal Caribbean's Martinez says they will not receive a refund for the cruise, on which the couple say they spent almost $3,000."

 

 

Interesting.

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"But because they were denied boarding for breaching the guest conduct policy, Royal Caribbean's Martinez says they will not receive a refund for the cruise, on which the couple say they spent almost $3,000."

 

 

Interesting.

 

Wondering if travel insurance would pay.

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Wondering if travel insurance would pay.

 

There's not a policy in the world that is going to compensate someone for being denied boarding for violating policies.

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Oh, OK. I defended the OP on the other thread, but things much clearer now. Typical 'dummy run', Captain worried they are going shopping for something in the islands, which they will smuggle back onboard the same way, therefore high risk.

 

They are getting nothing, with or without a lawyer, I think. Unless the Captain was actually misinformed that the test was positive (but even then I think RCI will ignore the refund request).

Edited by Cotswold Eagle

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...but things much clearer now. Typical 'dummy run', Captain worried they are going shopping for something in the islands, which they will smuggle back onboard the same way, therefore high risk.

 

 

Agree with you, Eagle. Good call.

 

Wonder if OP will comment in this new thread?

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Always the other side.... Just a trial run maybe to see if the item would make it aboard...??

Edited by Rockfordcruiser

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Funny, she excluded the faux hairspray can in her story to all of CC.

 

Regardless, it appears that each side is bending the truth a little. RCI states that the tabacco was confiscated and disposed of. The "report" states it was given back.

 

I'm confused, how did they breach the guest conduct policy. Even though they were sneaky and very suspicious about their tobacco, it was still something that is allowed to be brought on.

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Oh, OK. I defended the OP on the other thread, but things much clearer now. Typical 'dummy run', Captain worried they are going shopping for something in the islands, which they will smuggle back onboard the same way, therefore high risk.

 

They are getting nothing, with or without a lawyer, I think.

 

I thought that too, but was afraid to speak up. I suspect the OP figured he would throw it away if security balked.

 

Just saying, if you think you can outsmart cruise security, think again. They've probably seen more then any of us could come up with.

Edited by knittinggirl

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I'm confused, how did they breach the guest conduct policy. Even though they were sneaky and very suspicious about their tobacco, it was still something that is allowed to be brought on.

 

I'm also wondering the same.

If my husband thinks I quit smoking so I get creative and hide a pack and Royal finds it-are we getting thrown off because I hid them???

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Ok, not the best PAX judgement, but what part of the guest policy was violated? If that's RCI's stand, yes, very interesting...

 

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If my husband thinks I quit smoking so I get creative and hide a pack and Royal finds it-are we getting thrown off because I hid them???

 

You don't think hiding "a pack" of cigarettes is somewhat different than hiding a baggie of (what may or may not be) tobacco and a pipe?

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The more I think about it-those that smuggle alcohol on and just think they are going to the naughty room may find themselves waiving the ship goodbye!! :eek:

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You don't think hiding "a pack" of cigarettes is somewhat different than hiding a baggie of (what may or may not be) tobacco and a pipe?

 

So it makes it different because the legal tobacco was in a box then the legal tobacco in a baggie??

don't get me wrong-I see where you are coming from but someone needs to play devils advocate!!!:D

Isn't a rum runner a type of baggie!!!:eek:

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Is there a "stupidity clause" in the passenger contract? It seems the cruiser didn't violate the letter of the contract as he had no illegal substance. But if there's a stupidity clause he violated that big time. He KNEW it might raise alarms so instead of keeping it in its original packaging he put it in a baggy and hid it in a false bottomed can. That's beyond bad judgement. Definitely would violate a stupidity clause.

 

I still feel sorry for the OP. I'm not sure that she did anything wrong (not that she'd have wanted to cruise alone on their anniversary). She's a much nicer person than anyone I know, because in her shoes, my friends and I would be staring daggers at the husband for YEARS to come. (In fact she did appear to be very nice and polite in her posts.)

 

What I don't understand, since there is no stupidity clause, is how they "violated" the cruise contract and therefore don't get their $$ back.

Though Cotswold Eagle may have a very valid point on it being a "dummy run." Which could classify the passenger as high risk.

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I didn't read much of this whole story from the original OP because I just didn't care about it. That said, if he hid something in a faux bottom can - he was a risk. People who do that are going to try to smuggle something onboard from an island. That's what any clear thinking person would assume. I mean, why else would you "smuggle" plain old tobacco on board a cruise ship. Seriously.

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It's in black and white...

 

Safety and Security

Safety and security are everyone’s responsibility. All guests must attend the mandatory

muster drill, and follow all other safety instructions issued by the Captain. Should

anyone become aware of someone being injured, or of unsafe or possibly illegal

behavior during their cruise vacation, they should immediately report this to the ship’s

Security Staff or other ship management. This may be done through ship’s telephone

or by seeking the assistance of a crew member. If you do not immediately report an

injury or unsafe / illegal behavior this delay may cause ship’s personnel to be unable to

effectively respond to the situation. A reporting delay may also cause the ship to be

unable to properly preserve information or evidence and may cause a delay in notifying

the proper law enforcement or other Government officials. Possible is the key word.....

 

The OP's husband could have POSSIBLY been trying to bring aboard an illegal substance.

Edited by Rockfordcruiser

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O.K. at the risk of flamers...again...I'll jump in.

What breach of contract??? They packed something legal in a can meant to hide jewelry, etc. What rule did they break. The stuff was not contraband....what risk??? The contract does not specify what containers you may pack your crap in:rolleyes: Many pipe smokers smoke flavored tobacco, it doesn't matter what they named it.

The supposition that they were testing the waters for other substances is just that, an assumption.

They broke no rules, co-operated with authorities and by all rights should have proceeded on their cruise. Those are the only concrete facts as presented by the above report. It still worries me. Now do I have to watch exactly how and what I pack my crap in???

Go ahead flame away.

Edited by BecciBoo

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Ok, I can see why this would cause red flags, and it certainly was stupid of her husband to do this but....exactly what rule did they break? if it were a pack of marlboros in that fake can would they be kicked off? I think they should have been allowed on, without the fake can :rolleyes:

 

Was RCI just annoyed with the stupid passenger because he caused such a comotion? maybe.

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I still feel sorry for the OP. I'm not sure that she did anything wrong (not that she'd have wanted to cruise alone on their anniversary). She's a much nicer person than anyone I know, because in her shoes, my friends and I would be staring daggers at the husband for YEARS to come. (In fact she did appear to be very nice and polite in her posts.)

 

For real - everyone is fussing at the OP for not telling the "entire story," but I don't blame her. She was protecting her husband's dignity. Very admirable, in my opinion.

 

I do think it's a little messed up that people actually smuggle and attempt to smuggle alcohol onboard all the time, but he "smuggles" on a legal substance and can't board the ship? While the argument that he displayed the fact that he had the equipment to smuggle illegal substances onboard is definitely valid, I wouldn't ignore that the officers were probably embarassed/disappointed that they didn't have a real drug bust and wanted to make sure that in the end, they still won. Probably a mixture of a safety precaution and power trip.

 

But I think the wife should have been allowed to reboard if she wanted to (of course, why would she want to, but still). She was only guilty by association.

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All I want to know is why didn't Hagerz tell us the part about the can with the false bottom?? Why did she say a baggie??:confused:

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All I want to know is why didn't Hagerz tell us the part about the can with the false bottom?? Why did she say a baggie??:confused:

 

Probably because she didn't want us to think badly about her husband? She loves him - they were celebrating their 4th wedding anniversary, and even though he pretty much ruined the trip for the two of them, she still has his back.

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Ok, not the best PAX judgement, but what part of the guest policy was violated? If that's RCI's stand, yes, very interesting...

 

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Agreed! In retrospect not a smooth move concealing the stuff. I too would like to know what RCI policy they violated not to be permitted to sail. They were put off for being high risk, I don't think that is in the contract. Them being declared high risk by the Captain was a judgement call by RCI since they were not carrying any illegal substance. RCI should just give them the entire fare and be done with it. I don't think "high risk" is a reason to be denied boarding as there has been no breach of the policy. Is a old person in poor health a high risk or parents traveling with rambunctious teenagers any higher of a risk? Seems to be too much gray here.

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WHY THE NEED for this substance - whatever it was?

Why isn't a cruise enough? If you need to smoke - whatever he was "smuggling" on board - do it at home. I really don't see why anyone is upset with RCI. It's a friggin' CRUISE! It's enough fun w/o whatever tobacco he was hiding. Have a few drinks if you need them. Geez, people. :cool:

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It was in a baggie, then in the can.

I have hidden my jewelry in an empty cold cream jar on trips before, should that have kept me from cruising? I don't see any difference. A legal item not mentioned in the contract in a legal container not mentioned in the contract and a lot of people who won't admit they were dead wrong and made a lot of assumptions which were groundless. The law of the land in this country is still "Innocent until proven guilty" but the price for being guilty was paid in full by this couple. That's how I see it. I bet they win their suite.

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All I want to know is why didn't Hagerz tell us the part about the can with the false bottom?? Why did she say a baggie??:confused:

 

Well it was in a baggie... just left out it was concealed in a false bottom can... And hey if, i get caught its still a legal substance right... Doesn't every body put there pipe and tobacco in a false bottom can when cruising to other countries?

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I didn't read much of this whole story from the original OP because I just didn't care about it. That said, if he hid something in a faux bottom can - he was a risk. People who do that are going to try to smuggle something onboard from an island. That's what any clear thinking person would assume. I mean, why else would you "smuggle" plain old tobacco on board a cruise ship. Seriously.
Totally agree,but also think he gets A+ in the stupidity rating, what a dumb thing to do.How mad would you be if your partner or husband pulled that and you didn't know about it?:eek::mad::o

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WHY THE NEED for this substance - whatever it was?

Why isn't a cruise enough? If you need to smoke - whatever he was "smuggling" on board - do it at home. I really don't see why anyone is upset with RCI. It's a friggin' CRUISE! It's enough fun w/o whatever tobacco he was hiding. Have a few drinks if you need them. Geez, people. :cool:

 

Because it's a free country and one should be allowed to do whatever they want on their vacation as long as it's legal, breaks no rules and doesn't infringe on others rights. And that's exactly what they did.

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You don't think hiding "a pack" of cigarettes is somewhat different than hiding a baggie of (what may or may not be) tobacco and a pipe?

 

This is why I always use a "TobaccoRunner" for all of my smoke, and pack it right next to my RumRunners:rolleyes:

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100% in agreement with RCI and El Capitan on this one, folks. And no, they should NOT get a dime back of their money. Plain ole tobacco and roll your own papers are one thing...but "summer swing" and a pipe hidden in the bottom of a false hairspray can?? Pipes are used for a whole lot more than "summer swing" and to ME that screams intent to purchase. And if "summer swing" is the only thing to have ever been smoked in that ole pipe, then I'll gladly buy them a future cruise.

 

I feel pretty duped because I agreed with the OP and felt so sorry for her. I imagined myself and what I would feel like had my anniversary trip been ripped from my hands.

 

Why on earth would she come on here and post a story with more holes than swiss cheese and THEN admit to CC to a totally different story and THEN contact attorneys?? Good luck with that one, sister.

 

Mary, Mary quite contrary.

Edited by sredish

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Oh, OK. I defended the OP on the other thread, but things much clearer now. Typical 'dummy run', Captain worried they are going shopping for something in the islands, which they will smuggle back onboard the same way, therefore high risk.

 

They are getting nothing, with or without a lawyer, I think. Unless the Captain was actually misinformed that the test was positive (but even then I think RCI will ignore the refund request).

 

Very good point.

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Totally agree,but also think he gets A+ in the stupidity rating, what a dumb thing to do.How mad would you be if your partner or husband pulled that and you didn't know about it?:eek::mad::o

 

I am 100% sure she knew about it. She wouldn't have asked him...huh...what's that other can of hairspray?

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