mark290 Posted August 28, 2012 #26 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Could it have been the food on Carnival? Tragedy + time = comedy. Might want to wait a little longer next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladysilver Posted August 28, 2012 #27 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I wonder if those people who jump off a ship suddenly decide to do that or if they board the ship already thinking about it. Sad, scary thoughts go through my head when I hear these things. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquahound Posted August 28, 2012 #28 Share Posted August 28, 2012 There is a lot more to this story that unfortunately, I cannot share right now. Stay tuned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aurelius180 Posted August 28, 2012 #29 Share Posted August 28, 2012 There is a lot more to this story that unfortunately, I cannot share right now. Stay tuned. Was it similar to the other incident? :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetteh22 Posted August 28, 2012 #30 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Doesnt make sense. The ship just left port last night. What could have been so bad to make him do that I know Carnival has made cutbacks but its not worth jumping overboard What doesn't make sense to me is why ANYONE would want to kill themselves by jumping off of the ship. If you survive hitting the water, you'll literally die while regretting that decision until you finally drown because you can't tread water anymore. There are much easier ways to off yourself if you really want to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquahound Posted August 28, 2012 #31 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Was it similar to the other incident? :cool: No. This one is crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe6666 Posted August 28, 2012 #32 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Tragedy + time = comedy. Might want to wait a little longer next time. So you think the food was out too long? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surfwench Posted August 28, 2012 #33 Share Posted August 28, 2012 What an incredibly ignorant statement to make! I'm sure you thought you were being clever, but to make a joke of someone's suicide just makes you look ridiculous. My thoughts go out to the man's family, who are no doubt devestated. Nothing wrong with a little gallows humor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aurelius180 Posted August 28, 2012 #34 Share Posted August 28, 2012 No. This one is crazy. Had to be more to the story. It didn't just happen to occur while a security guard was present....they had to be keeping an eye on the passenger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mibarron Posted August 28, 2012 #35 Share Posted August 28, 2012 There is a lot more to this story that unfortunately, I cannot share right now. Stay tuned. Oh wow! I was just on the Carnival Glory last week. I couldn't imagine why someone would jump. :( Definitely staying tuned.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westtxgal Posted August 28, 2012 #36 Share Posted August 28, 2012 When a person is at the point of committing suicide, they are no longer thinking logically. Whether it be a mental illness, an incident that they simply couldn't handle or anything else... a healthy, logically thinking person does not commit suicide... So no amount of trying will help you to understand "why"... there's no logic in that state of mind. I understand people's anger at the selfishness of suicide and the pain it inflicts on their loved ones... but please try to understand that a person who jumps off a ship to their death is in an incomprehensible amount of pain as well. And insulting them or making inconsiderate comments about the person who committed suicide only adds to the pain of his/her family... It certainly does not help them. Renee' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyrisong1 Posted August 28, 2012 #37 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I'll put my two cents worth in because I work with this and I have personal experience in it too. No compassion for someone that is in such mental anguish they can think of nothing else they can do to get relief from the pain except to destroy themselves? Just wow!! Most suicides have nothing to do with anyone except for the person doing it, it's not to get back at someone or hurt another, it's because they can't take the pain. My nephew had PTSD from the military, killing someone was something that ran through his brain all the time, he couldnt' sleep or function, so he drank, which created more depression and more dependence on substances, so add addiction to PTSD and severe depression. He was inpatient after a serious attempt to hang himself, he was detoxed, and had therapy, medications. But then out in the real world things fell apart for him and he hung himself, quietly in the middle of the night at a lake. He didn't want to hurt anyone else, but just couldnt' take the pain anymore. I work with people that are suicidal almost every time I go to work and they are not selfish or bad, they are people in mental anguish. For those that we can help to get better it's a huge accomplishment. For those that cannot find pity and a prayer in your heart for someone that commits suicide, I'm sorry for you. God does tend to show us not to let our pride make us too big for loving one another. Or Karma is another way of putting it if you don't believe in God. Prayers to the man I hope he doesn't hurt anymore Carole \ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherylroslyn Posted August 28, 2012 #38 Share Posted August 28, 2012 My prayers go out for the family, crew and other passengers. This is a terible thing to happen to anyone on that ship, obviously especially for the man's family. This seems to happen so often on Carnival Ships and I actually feel bad for Carnival. I have sailed Carnival and had a lovely cruise both times, the jokes are not funny....... but it is an unfortunate coincidence that this happens over and over on Carnival ships. I am on cruise critic every single day and every time I click on a man overboard story it is a Carnival ship......I know it has happend on others, but it primarily has been happening on Carnival over the past 3 years ...........just a terrible wast of a young life..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
How'sBartCruisin'? Posted August 28, 2012 #39 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I wonder if those people who jump off a ship suddenly decide to do that or if they board the ship already thinking about it. Sad, scary thoughts go through my head when I hear these things. :( And not to get too morbid, but unless you die on impact, you wouldn't die instantaneously. That's a good long time to think about what you did and what's about to happen, before it happens. Sad story for this person and his family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ez2logon Posted August 28, 2012 #40 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I'll put my two cents worth in because I work with this and I have personal experience in it too.No compassion for someone that is in such mental anguish they can think of nothing else they can do to get relief from the pain except to destroy themselves? Just wow!! Most suicides have nothing to do with anyone except for the person doing it, it's not to get back at someone or hurt another, it's because they can't take the pain. My nephew had PTSD from the military, killing someone was something that ran through his brain all the time, he couldnt' sleep or function, so he drank, which created more depression and more dependence on substances, so add addiction to PTSD and severe depression. He was inpatient after a serious attempt to hang himself, he was detoxed, and had therapy, medications. But then out in the real world things fell apart for him and he hung himself, quietly in the middle of the night at a lake. He didn't want to hurt anyone else, but just couldnt' take the pain anymore. I work with people that are suicidal almost every time I go to work and they are not selfish or bad, they are people in mental anguish. For those that we can help to get better it's a huge accomplishment. For those that cannot find pity and a prayer in your heart for someone that commits suicide, I'm sorry for you. God does tend to show us not to let our pride make us too big for loving one another. Or Karma is another way of putting it if you don't believe in God. Prayers to the man I hope he doesn't hurt anymore Carole \ Thanks, Carole. I hope that some of the mean spirited comments are uttered out of nervousness with the situation and not out of a diminished heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquahound Posted August 28, 2012 #41 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I know there is a lot of assumption going around right now, but this story has a lot more to it that will come out in the coming days. This does not appear to be pre-planned. There was an alarming chain of events that ocurred aboard. I can't share much right now becuase it is under investigation, but I will be happy to share details a little later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeanneful Posted August 28, 2012 #42 Share Posted August 28, 2012 What an incredibly ignorant statement to make! I'm sure you thought you were being clever, but to make a joke of someone's suicide just makes you look ridiculous. My thoughts go out to the man's family, who are no doubt devestated. I agree!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macklovin38 Posted August 28, 2012 #43 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I know there is a lot of assumption going around right now, but this story has a lot more to it that will come out in the coming days. This does not appear to be pre-planned. There was an alarming chain of events that ocurred aboard. I can't share much right now becuase it is under investigation, but I will be happy to share details a little later. Please let us know as soon as you are able. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbgd Posted August 28, 2012 #44 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I'll put my two cents worth in because I work with this and I have personal experience in it too.No compassion for someone that is in such mental anguish they can think of nothing else they can do to get relief from the pain except to destroy themselves? Just wow!! Most suicides have nothing to do with anyone except for the person doing it, it's not to get back at someone or hurt another, it's because they can't take the pain. My nephew had PTSD from the military, killing someone was something that ran through his brain all the time, he couldnt' sleep or function, so he drank, which created more depression and more dependence on substances, so add addiction to PTSD and severe depression. He was inpatient after a serious attempt to hang himself, he was detoxed, and had therapy, medications. But then out in the real world things fell apart for him and he hung himself, quietly in the middle of the night at a lake. He didn't want to hurt anyone else, but just couldnt' take the pain anymore. I work with people that are suicidal almost every time I go to work and they are not selfish or bad, they are people in mental anguish. For those that we can help to get better it's a huge accomplishment. For those that cannot find pity and a prayer in your heart for someone that commits suicide, I'm sorry for you. God does tend to show us not to let our pride make us too big for loving one another. Or Karma is another way of putting it if you don't believe in God. Prayers to the man I hope he doesn't hurt anymore Carole \ Im sorry for your loss. I say this with the utmost respect..... You are a better person than me. Ive never understood Psych. Give me a GSW or tibfib fx or a ruptured AAA or even a mass casualty situation, I know exactly what to do. When it comes to mental issues I have no clue.:o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halos Posted August 28, 2012 #45 Share Posted August 28, 2012 We had a 'jumper' on our last CCL cruise. He jumped from the Serenity deck, as we were at the exact midway point between CA and Hawaii. Passengers were wonderful...concerned, empathetic and I was happy to be a member of the human race in those moments. The jokes and comments DID fly around, however they all started AFTER the guy was pulled back aboard alive. Most of that was just a release for people. You can imagine how horrific it is to be in the middle of the ocean and know that someone is out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarpHarp Posted August 28, 2012 #46 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Im sorry for your loss. I say this with the utmost respect..... You are a better person than me. Ive never understood Psych.Give me a GSW or tibfib fx or a ruptured AAA or even a mass casualty situation, I know exactly what to do. When it comes to mental issues I have no clue.:o Er Doc or surgeon no doubt. Lots of skills, not much in the bedside manner dpt. Be nice to your nurses,they help your patients more that you know:) Your remark was just typical medical "black humor", so no need to beat yourself up over it. We don't know why it happened. All we can do is express sympathy for for the young man & his family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruisegirl6 Posted August 28, 2012 #47 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I get the feeling it does appear there is more to this story...who knows fight broke out he got pushed over...maybe he was so hurt about something it may not be suicide....guess we wait to find out so sad..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCTribeFan Posted August 28, 2012 #48 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I know there is a lot of assumption going around right now, but this story has a lot more to it that will come out in the coming days. This does not appear to be pre-planned. There was an alarming chain of events that ocurred aboard. I can't share much right now becuase it is under investigation, but I will be happy to share details a little later. Callous, unfeeling person here (I suppose). I cannot comprehend why this is of any interest whatsoever to anyone not directly involved with the person or his immediate family. It's just morbid curiosity and it turns my stomach. Why does anyone here need to know what happened? It's no one's business! I'm sure everyone also slows down to get a good look at wrecks on their way home, too. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusinpsychRN Posted August 28, 2012 #49 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Im sorry for your loss. I say this with the utmost respect..... You are a better person than me. Ive never understood Psych.Give me a GSW or tibfib fx or a ruptured AAA or even a mass casualty situation, I know exactly what to do. When it comes to mental issues I have no clue.:o Go back to class. You'll do ALL the victims a service. BTW, it's not a GSW, it's a person WITH a GSW. Suicide is not always well planned but can be a very impulsive act, one if not successful, the person is glad didn't work when they get the help they need. Too many of us on this board have been personally affected by this horrible act that bores a hole in your heart that no amount of anything can close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patticake1129 Posted August 28, 2012 #50 Share Posted August 28, 2012 It does seem to happen more commonly than one would think. It's still sad regardless of the circumstances. Sympathy to his family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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