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If it is the Statendam you will be on, there are passenger cabins beneath the LP deck. I'm sure you would want to be considerate of your fellow passengers.

 

Absolutely.

 

That said, I can't imagine it having been a problem on the Westerdam, though, since an official group (registered with the ship) was out there running daily.

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On some ships jogging is permitted on the LP deck - the ones with no cabins underneath. So those do not have the "No Jogging" signs.

 

On my last cruise people were smoking on the LP deck, but were not obtrusive - one guy had his own ashtray next to the lounger.

 

Absolutely.

 

That said, I can't imagine it having been a problem on the Westerdam, though, since an official group (registered with the ship) was out there running daily.

 

The Noordam (sister to the Westerdam) and the Eurodam (also no cabins under the wrap around deck) both had No Jogging signs on the Promenade Deck when I sailed on them recently.

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On some ships jogging is permitted on the LP deck - the ones with no cabins underneath.

 

That makes a lot more sense. Thanks! I didn't realize how different the deck plans were.

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I put running on vacation,right up there with doing laundry

 

:D I wish I could too...but if I slack off for a month on vacation, "vacation mode" never turns off! lol

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What's the proper protocol for encouraging smokers not to smoke in places where it isn't allowed, like the Promenade outdoor deck? I like to jog/run (or stroll) out there and, since we don't have a balcony for our next cruise, it will be our only way to get outside without going to the Lido.

 

Report it to a crew member.

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Smoke traveling from the Casino (on Prinsendam) was a real issue for this cruise. People would hang out at the slots next to the Oak Room/Java Cafe and the smoke would drift. It just wasn't a smoke smell....the smoke stayed there, like a cloud. Hopefully, if HAL continues to allow smoking in the casino, they will have a plan for this.

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I think we were on the same Prinsendam sailing as LindaM and were bothered by the smoke drifting in from the casino and I could smell smoke daily on the Promenade deck. The Java cafe had a big screen TV and ran twenty four hour news channels, however we could not sit in there to watch anything. I felt sorry for the two coffee guys working there. Several years ago when the Veendam was at its low point the ventilation system was not working, sizable areas did not have AC and the smoke was everywhere, especially in Explorations cafe, library area. People complained like crazy about the obnoxious second hand smoke. Several years later nothing has changed for holland America.

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Are the ashtrays still bolted to some of the deck railings? If so, the smoker may have no idea smoking is not allowed there anymore. One sees an ashtray and naturally thinks it is a smoking allowed area. Hard to blame the smoker in that case. :o

 

The ashtrays are NOT bolted to anything! They are simply hanging on bars and are easily relocated! ;)

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The ashtrays are NOT bolted to anything! They are simply hanging on bars and are easily relocated! ;)

Then why doesn't HAL just remove all the railing ashtrays from areas that are no longer smoking allowed. That sure would help avoid any confusion and potential arguments among pax. I know if I see ashtrays, especially ones on the railings outdoors, I think smoking is allowed there.

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Yesterday there were 6 smoking threads on the first page.

Thanks for helping make it a site about cruising again.

 

One of the reasons why I haven't been on this forum for months, see nothings changed and the non-smoking warriors are still around.

 

Not a smoker BTW.

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I think the "no smoking on the LP deck" thing is fairly new. On the Amsterdam at Christmas, there were still ashtrays and plenty of smokers. On the Veendam in April, there were signs on all doors leading to the deck saying indicating no smoking on the deck and still a few smokers.

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Smokers areas will have upgrade amenities, but not necessarily more space or newly dedicated areas compared to present. New builds will have most "area" because of size, but smaller percentage relative to size. Very interesting.

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So how will we find out when HAL finally puts out the "no smoking" announcement. Will it show up as an entry in this thread? I'll check it every day with great anticipation.

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So how will we find out when HAL finally puts out the "no smoking" announcement. Will it show up as an entry in this thread? I'll check it every day with great anticipation.

 

When/if, it would likely come out in the form of a press release as well as on the HAL web site

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So how will we find out when HAL finally puts out the "no smoking" announcement. Will it show up as an entry in this thread? I'll check it every day with great anticipation.

 

I'm sure it will appear on this thread rather quickly after it becomes official. In the meantime, be guided by HAL's announcement made in January 2014 (posted earlier in this thread).

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Smokers areas will have upgrade amenities, but not necessarily more space or newly dedicated areas compared to present. New builds will have most "area" because of size, but smaller percentage relative to size. Very interesting.

 

New ships versus old ships. You are probably correct in that there is more space for smokers on the new ships when compared to the size of the new mega ships to those of yesteryear they replaced. But that does not necessarily equate to more or less freedom from smoke for non-smokers. Since these new ships also hold many more guests as well, the ratio of second hand smoke inhaled per non-smoking passenger may not change all that much, but even more importantly, how is that extra guest space on these new ships portioned out?

 

For instance, the first Royal Princess had a ratio of 35.1 passenger to space ratio when all berths were full, the second Royal Princess (Which was R-8 from the bankrupt Renaissance) had a ratio of 36.1 and the new Royal Princess has only a 30.6 ratio.

 

Now, the new Royal Princess is more or less designed in order to conform with that of the latest typical huge new ships, in that the there is much less outdoor open deck space for the average guest but more indoor space in order to achieve the floating hotel resort business model all the major lines have adopted. So, the largest of them all, the "Allure of the Seas", has a ratio of 35.4 but there is not much room to mingle if passengers want to be out on the open deck for sun or viewing the passing environment.

 

All this meaning, more confinement inside with the smokers, if the line allows any smoking inside at all. ]

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Out of sight, out of mind? Was the objective to bury the issue?

 

The issue is hardly buried. The thread always remains on the first page. There were too many threads about the same subject. Makes sense to put all thoughts and vents on one thread. This way it allows everything to be on one thread instead of searching to find the current smoking policy and everyone can add their comments to this thread IMO.

 

Diane

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We all had the chance to vote and the overwhelming majority chose for there to be one thread. Host Walt could not have more fair in how this single thread for this topic evolved. The majority ruled.

 

I voted the other way. :D

 

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Yeah, sorta like a thread where you can only comment if you agree with the op:rolleyes:.

 

Did I miss that one?:cool:

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Yeah, sorta like a thread where you can only comment if you agree with the op:rolleyes:.

 

... and vote one way only - the OP's way.:D

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