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This is not correct. The only outdoor area is the sea view bar.

 

You are right. At the moment it is the only designated area for smoking. I know that smokers will try other places like the Promenade Deck but it isn't really allowed.

 

If HAL removes smoking from verandahs, I doubt very much that they will have more outdoor areas for smoking. There will just be a lot more people at the Seaview Bar.

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You are right. At the moment it is the only designated area for smoking. I know that smokers will try other places like the Promenade Deck but it isn't really allowed.

 

If HAL removes smoking from verandahs, I doubt very much that they will have more outdoor areas for smoking. There will just be a lot more people at the Seaview Bar.

Which makes the theory that an anticipated change to no verandah smoking will be fine with non-smokers and smokers alike since smoking will be allowed at Seaview they are sadly mistaken. Maybe someone who has a very occasional cigarette will do fine, but if anyone really thinks going up to the Seaview for a cigarette carrying that first cup of coffee early in the morning is going to work for most smokers and keep them happy on a cruise day after day after day they are sadly mistaken. :rolleyes::(

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I think the customer service line about making both sides happy is public relations spin, a scripted response. At some point they will ban balcony smoking and smokers will deal with it. I doubt the will open up new outdoor areas to smoke in unless they enclose some areas.

I also think they are waiting to see how Oceania customers respond to the glass cages that have been built for smokers.

Just read CVS is the first mega retailer to stop selling tobacco.

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Which makes the theory that an anticipated change to no verandah smoking will be fine with non-smokers and smokers alike since smoking will be allowed at Seaview they are sadly mistaken. Maybe someone who has a very occasional cigarette will do fine, but if anyone really thinks going up to the Seaview for a cigarette carrying that first cup of coffee early in the morning is going to work for most smokers and keep them happy on a cruise day after day after day they are sadly mistaken. :rolleyes::(

 

I have to agree with you. Some people are not going to be happy.

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Which makes the theory that an anticipated change to no verandah smoking will be fine with non-smokers and smokers alike since smoking will be allowed at Seaview they are sadly mistaken. Maybe someone who has a very occasional cigarette will do fine, but if anyone really thinks going up to the Seaview for a cigarette carrying that first cup of coffee early in the morning is going to work for most smokers and keep them happy on a cruise day after day after day they are sadly mistaken.

 

 

 

Seeing as most states/cities in U.S. and Canada have tightened smoking bans, aren't smokers becoming accustomed to limited places they can smoke? They are making the choice to have these limitations seeing they choose to smoke. I understand it is legal and personal choice and am fine with that but am not fine with the idea that bans are something unique when they occur on cruise ships. In MA, there is no smoking permitted in any workplace. Just about anywhere you go is a workplace for someone. Those who choose to smoke have to learn to manage their need to smoke wherever they find a place it is allowed. They are becoming a smaller and smaller minority and the majority is making it very clear many of us don't want to be near it.

 

As cruise ships become in more sync about smoking policies with the rest of most North American society and growingly so in Europe, smokers will continue to make their choices. There is always the choice to quit. Many Millions of people have done so successfully.

 

And yes, I get it a dinner out for three hours and not smoking is not the same as 7 or more days on a cruise ship........

 

 

As to cruises in Asia, that is a different demographic and perhaps ships will have different rules?

 

Edited by sail7seas

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I think the customer service line about making both sides happy is public relations spin, a scripted response. At some point they will ban balcony smoking and smokers will deal with it. I doubt the will open up new outdoor areas to smoke in unless they enclose some areas.

I also think they are waiting to see how Oceania customers respond to the glass cages that have been built for smokers.

Just read CVS is the first mega retailer to stop selling tobacco.

 

 

We don't know who or even if anyone who had any accurate knowledge actually made such a statement with any authority. I find it very easy to dismiss the 'both sides happy' without a second thought. ;)

 

When Zuiderdam first entered the fleet, there was a glass cage for smokers. It was awful, it stunk, it was a smoke fog and was quickly removed. I used to feel to sorry for the stewards who had to clean it. If the ones assigned were non-smokers, it must have been torture for them to go in there. It ultimately proved to be so unpleasant, even smokers stopped using it. :D

 

As to CVS not selling cigarettes, some cities in MA have regulations that bar any stores that sell health products from selling cigarettes. CVS, Walgreen's, Rite Aids and even grocery stores which have pharmacies are banned from cigarette sales.

 

Edited by sail7seas

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Seeing as most states/cities in U.S. and Canada have tightened smoking bans, aren't smokers becoming accustomed to limited places they can smoke? They are making the choice to have these limitations seeing they choose to smoke. I understand it is legal and personal choice and am fine with that but am not fine with the idea that bans are something unique when they occur on cruise ships. In MA, there is no smoking permitted in any workplace. Just about anywhere you go is a workplace for someone. Those who choose to smoke have to learn to manage their need to smoke wherever they find a place it is allowed. They are becoming a smaller and smaller minority and the majority is making it very clear many of us don't want to be near it.

 

As cruise ships become in more sync about smoking policies with the rest of most North American society and growingly so in Europe, smokers will continue to make their choices. There is always the choice to quit. Many Millions of people have done so successfully.

 

And yes, I get it a dinner out for three hours and not smoking is not the same as 7 or more days on a cruise ship........

 

 

As to cruises in Asia, that is a different demographic and perhaps ships will have different rules?

 

 

I see that you do understand that the smoking policies in your home state/province/country are not quite the same as on a ship.

When people are in their own homes they can smoke wherever they want.

They are only at work for 7/8 hrs a day and can go out at lunchtime.

 

When spending time on a cruise, the rules are much more limiting.

People smoke last thing before bedtime, first thing in the morning. It means either staying dressed or getting dressed before going up for a smoke. So yes it will effect them much more than at home.

 

And it's also not a matter of 'just quit'. If that were the case, I'm sure we would be a smoke free population and the tobacco industry would be broke.I would guess that a huge percentage of smokers, if not all, would love to be smoke free if it was that easy, but it's not.

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I didn't know the Zuiderdam used to have glassed cages. I totally agree with Sail that this concept is especially hard on the crew. Recently we spent 14 days on the Prinsendam , there was heavy smoking in the casino which is next to the specialty coffee bar. The smoke drifting into the coffee bar almost knocked me over a couple times and I felt sorry for the two male crew members working there. The coffee bar otherwise was very cozy with nice couches and a big screen TV but it was underutilized due to the smoke.

I really think smokers will adjust to the changes planned. As far as smoking in the workplace a sizable percentage of employees will not hire smokers and totally ban smoking from their campus, even the parking lot. Smokers adjust to keep their jobs, they will adjust to keep on cruising.

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Which makes the theory that an anticipated change to no verandah smoking will be fine with non-smokers and smokers alike since smoking will be allowed at Seaview they are sadly mistaken. Maybe someone who has a very occasional cigarette will do fine, but if anyone really thinks going up to the Seaview for a cigarette carrying that first cup of coffee early in the morning is going to work for most smokers and keep them happy on a cruise day after day after day they are sadly mistaken. :rolleyes::(

 

You are correct, it just won't happen. Most smokers will spend their money and time elsewhere.

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I see that you do understand that the smoking policies in your home state/province/country are not quite the same as on a ship.

When people are in their own homes they can smoke wherever they want.

They are only at work for 7/8 hrs a day and can go out at lunchtime.

 

When spending time on a cruise, the rules are much more limiting.

People smoke last thing before bedtime, first thing in the morning. It means either staying dressed or getting dressed before going up for a smoke. So yes it will effect them much more than at home.

 

And it's also not a matter of 'just quit'. If that were the case, I'm sure we would be a smoke free population and the tobacco industry would be broke.I would guess that a huge percentage of smokers, if not all, would love to be smoke free if it was that easy, but it's not.

 

 

 

In the post you quoted, I Did mention I realize a three hour dinner out is very different than a 7 day cruise. I took into consideration the acknowledged difference.

 

I also pointed out that 'just quit' has been done by many millions of people. No where did I say it is easy but millions have done it proving it is not impossible. Among choices, it is a very valid one to mention.

 

Edited by sail7seas

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In the post you quoted, I Did mention I realize a three hour dinner out is very different than a 7 day cruise. I took into consideration the acknowledged difference.

 

I also pointed out that 'just quit' has been done by many millions of people. No where did I say it is easy but millions have done it proving it is not impossible. Among choices, it is a very valid one to mention.

 

 

Most successful quitters were able to do so because they WANTED to give up. That's their motivation.

 

Many of us enjoy it and don't want to give up. Perhaps one day I'll change my mind but don't hold your breath:cool:

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You are correct, it just won't happen. Most smokers will spend their money and time elsewhere.

Agreed. We like to cruise, but we do not live to cruise. There are too many other things we like to do and other great vacation options. Why would we use our vacation dollars to pay for a trip that no longer is as pleasurable as it once was when we can have a wonderful time elsewhere?

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Most successful quitters were able to do so because they WANTED to give up. That's their motivation.

 

Many of us enjoy it and don't want to give up. Perhaps one day I'll change my mind but don't hold your breath:cool:

 

 

That is a whole different conversation and not one that pertains here. :)

 

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Many people predicted gloom and doom for the restaurant, bar and hotel industry when local and state governments banned smoking. In my area the tobacco industry tried to repeal the bans via referendum and they failed. Bars, restaurants and hotels seem to be doing fine.

Some will predict doom and gloom for Holland America. I feel people will adjust as their options are limited. Large numbers of Hotels, rental condos, timeshare properties already ban smoking. Holland America is not going to ban it outright but at some point balcony smoking will be forbidden.

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Many people predicted gloom and doom for the restaurant, bar and hotel industry when local and state governments banned smoking. In my area the tobacco industry tried to repeal the bans via referendum and they failed. Bars, restaurants and hotels seem to be doing fine.

Some will predict doom and gloom for Holland America. I feel people will adjust as their options are limited. Large numbers of Hotels, rental condos, timeshare properties already ban smoking. Holland America is not going to ban it outright but at some point balcony smoking will be forbidden.

 

 

 

You're right, or course,

Choices of ships that freely allow smoking are becoming scarce.

 

 

There are fewer hotels that permit smoking in rooms and inside the facilities. Vacation options for smokers are becoming limited. HAL will be more willing to ban smoking on verandahs as other vacation options become increasingly non-smoking as is currently occurring.

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Which makes the theory that an anticipated change to no verandah smoking will be fine with non-smokers and smokers alike since smoking will be allowed at Seaview they are sadly mistaken. Maybe someone who has a very occasional cigarette will do fine, but if anyone really thinks going up to the Seaview for a cigarette carrying that first cup of coffee early in the morning is going to work for most smokers and keep them happy on a cruise day after day after day they are sadly mistaken. :rolleyes::(

 

That is very true. However, those of us who enjoy early morning coffee and breakfast on our balcony will be happy to not have the smoke and accompanying smokers cough noises (and I know not all smokers do that) to deal with. So, which side should be catered to or favoured? I dunno - I hope it's mine - all I do know is one side is going to be unhappy and it will not be fine with everyone.

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Just read CVS is the first mega retailer to stop selling tobacco.

 

That is true, CVS stores stopped selling cigarettes and tobacco products today.

I hope HAL takes notice of that and makes the move to ban smoking on balconies and any inside area of their ships.

 

When they do, I will be ready to book with them. The New England/Canada sailings look really good to me!

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We don't know who or even if anyone who had any accurate knowledge actually made such a statement with any authority. I find it very easy to dismiss the 'both sides happy' without a second thought. ;)

 

When Zuiderdam first entered the fleet, there was a glass cage for smokers. It was awful, it stunk, it was a smoke fog and was quickly removed. I used to feel to sorry for the stewards who had to clean it. If the ones assigned were non-smokers, it must have been torture for them to go in there. It ultimately proved to be so unpleasant, even smokers stopped using it. :D

 

As to CVS not selling cigarettes, some cities in MA have regulations that bar any stores that sell health products from selling cigarettes. CVS, Walgreen's, Rite Aids and even grocery stores which have pharmacies are banned from cigarette sales.

 

Where was the glass cage on Zuiderdam? It sounds like a good idea in theory, keep the smoke in with the smokers, not out with the nonsmokers, but I guess it wasn't such a good idea in practice. Sounds like it didn't have adequate exhaust fans.

Edited by 3rdGenCunarder

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Where was the glass cage on Zuiderdam? It sounds like a good idea in theory, keep the smoke in with the smokers, not out with the nonsmokers, but I guess it wasn't such a good idea in practice. Sounds like it didn't have adequate exhaust fans.

 

It's been a long time and I can picture the glass room but am not sure exactly where it was. Somehow I think it was in the area of Explorer's Lounge.

 

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LOL! Hoping balcony smoking is banned and smokers moved to other areas? Was looking at the Royal Caribbean board, and since balcony smoking has been banned, non-smokers are now complaining about smoke in the casino (and areas within any distance near the casino) and those with balconies near outdoor smoking areas are also complaining about the smoke drifting onto their balconies!!

 

If/when HAL bans balcony smoking, non-smokers better start their research as to where the outdoor smoking areas will be so they can book their balcony rooms accordingly as to not have any smoke from outdoor smoking areas effect their experience. Also better start planning your route around the casino so you won't have to be exposed to a few seconds of smoke when passing by!

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If/when HAL bans balcony smoking, non-smokers better start their research as to where the outdoor smoking areas will be so they can book their balcony rooms accordingly as to not have any smoke from outdoor smoking areas effect their experience. Also better start planning your route around the casino so you won't have to be exposed to a few seconds of smoke when passing by!

 

Would rather study a deck plan and make a smart choice than be forced to inhale poison.

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Would rather study a deck plan and make a smart choice than be forced to inhale poison.

 

 

Well at least it gives you something more to do when planning and something to bit*ch about if your study of deck plans didn't exactly work out!!

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Well at least it gives you something more to do when planning and something to bit*ch about if your study of deck plans didn't exactly work out!!

 

I don't even know what that means. What is the point you are driving at?

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I don't even know what that means. What is the point you are driving at?

 

Before Royal Caribbean banned smoking on balconies, the RCI board here, as this HAL board is now, was full of smoking threads about balcony smoking. Royal Caribbean banned smoking on balconies. Now Royal Caribbean posters are bit**ing about the smoke in the casino ( and having to go around to the other end of the ship, down two flights, back across and up two fights to avoid the poison for even a moment) and complaints from those who's balconies were too close to designated smoking areas and could smell it, absolutely ruining their balcony experience.

 

Soooooooo, if/when (and yes, probably when) HAL bans smoking on balconies, get ready for a new age of smoking threads with similar complaints about smoking as it is going on now on the Royal Caribbean board. it will never end until cruise lines bans cigs altogether. I'll be here for the discussion. : - )

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