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Are sport coats and ties required or optional? Have tie but don't want to buy a suit jacket if I don't need to. Have a reservation for the pinnacle grill and not sure if there are mandatory formal nights.

 

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Are sport coats and ties required or optional? Have tie but don't want to buy a suit jacket if I don't need to. Have a reservation for the pinnacle grill and not sure if there are mandatory formal nights.

 

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All I bring are slacks and collared shirts. If you want to bring a jacket it's ok but not required. We book mostly special restaurants and have never had a problem, never been questioned nor given the "old stink eye" by anyone offended. ;)

 

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Are sport coats and ties required or optional? Have tie but don't want to buy a suit jacket if I don't need to. Have a reservation for the pinnacle grill and not sure if there are mandatory formal nights.

 

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Welcome to Cruise Critic.

Formal nights are now Gala nights.

On all our recent cruises, many men wore only slacks and a collared shirt. No tie or jacket is required on Gala nights.

Not even in the Pinnacle Grill. We saw a couple of men in t-shirts on Gala nights in the Pinnacle Grill.

You will be fine in the dining room and the Pinnacle Grill with slacks and a collared shirt. If you want to wear a tie -- that is up to you.

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Are polo shirts considered "collared shirts"?

 

I bring them. Never had an issue.

 

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Back when the Pinnacle required a jacket they had the had some to loan. The maitre de kindly placed one on a person in our party back in 2012! (Zuiderdam)

 

 

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No, polo shirts are not considered collared shirts. Let's enjoy dressing up a little for dinner.

 

 

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Back when the Pinnacle required a jacket they had the had some to loan. The maitre de kindly placed one on a person in our party back in 2012! (Zuiderdam)

 

 

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I remember when RCI implemented dynamic dinning on some of their ships. These ships had four dining rooms and one was always formal. Passengers would rotate through all the dining rooms.

 

It was reported that RCI would give passengers a jacket to those who did not have one. Jackets were in short supply so the waiter would hand a jacket to a passenger, the passenger would drap the jacket over his arm since sizing was an issue, escort the passenger to the table, and then take the jacket from the passenger so that another passenger could carry the jacket to his table. At that point, it was clear that formal nights were a thing of the past.

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No, polo shirts are not considered collared shirts. Let's enjoy dressing up a little for dinner.

 

 

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Dressing for dinner is not 'enjoyable' so let's not.

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Are polo shirts considered "collared shirts"?
Yes. Basically they don't want tee shirts, but on the Oosterdam in Dec even tees were allowed.

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Yes. Basically they don't want tee shirts, but on the Oosterdam in Dec even tees were allowed.

 

That's great information. We're on Oostedam in a few weeks. We plan on doing room service on gala nights to avoid ruining the 'ambiance' for other passengers. However, we do plan on visiting the Pinnacle Grill a couple of times and, to be honest, I only own polo and sweat shirts. Isn't retirement great?

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Rocket man made me laugh. He sounds like my husband! Personally, I like to see nice clothes at dinner, not formal, just not t-shirts and shorts.

 

 

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Rocket man made me laugh. He sounds like my husband! Personally, I like to see nice clothes at dinner, not formal, just not t-shirts and shorts.

 

 

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We intend to celebrate all Gala Nights on our aft balcony. We have our own dress code, bath robes and flip flops. It is strictly enforced to preserve the "ambiance" we prefer.

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You can eat at the Lido without dressing up. Yes, retirement is great!

 

 

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We really don't care about the MDR. We do have several dinners scheduled for the Pinnacle and we will be wearing polo shirts.

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That's fine with me. The best part about cruising is, not cooking, not making my bed, and walking to the showroom! Dress is minor. I also like seeing different sights without packing and unpacking. Happy cruising!

 

 

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No, polo shirts are not considered collared shirts. Let's enjoy dressing up a little for dinner.

 

 

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Since polo shirts, per Wikipedia, do indeed have collars, they are acceptable attire for Gala Nights. On our last Panama Canal cruise, there were many "collared" polo shirts that passed by my MDR table on Gala Night and some even added a sport jacket over their polo shirt. Although many passengers may disagree with the change in HAL Gala Night "appropriate" attire policy, a collared polo shirt meets the minimum standard.

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We intend to celebrate all Gala Nights on our aft balcony. We have our own dress code, bath robes and flip flops. It is strictly enforced to preserve the "ambiance" we prefer.

 

Very well stated. Having dinner on your aft verandah makes the cruise a memorable one.

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Since polo shirts, per Wikipedia, do indeed have collars, they are acceptable attire for Gala Nights. On our last Panama Canal cruise, there were many "collared" polo shirts that passed by my MDR table on Gala Night and some even added a sport jacket over their polo shirt. Although many passengers may disagree with the change in HAL Gala Night "appropriate" attire policy, a collared polo shirt meets the minimum standard.

 

Not everyone on board wishes to dress to the lowest common denominator. Fortunately, there are still people who appreciate the finer things and are not afraid to demonstrate it. ;)

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Not everyone on board wishes to dress to the lowest common denominator. Fortunately, there are still people who appreciate the finer things and are not afraid to demonstrate it. ;)

 

Well said! I have sailed several times during the past year and the vast majority of men wore jackets and ties. There were a few who wore a jacket without a tie or a tie without a jacket, but very, very few wore only a collared shirt (lowest common denominator).

 

When wearing just a collared shirt and slacks is considered "dressing up", this civilization is doomed.

 

(By the way, my DH is retired and is LOVING IT. However, he hasn't gotten to the sweatpants only stage yet!

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Not everyone on board wishes to dress to the lowest common denominator. Fortunately, there are still people who appreciate the finer things and are not afraid to demonstrate it. ;)

 

We have been on many cruises over the last 30 years and there has been many changes to how people dress. Dressing up for dinner not just on cruise ships but nice restaurants is a thing of the past. Most people today have the attitude that anything goes because it's their "right" to wear whatever they want. The heck with rules. Those things are for the foolish!

Well, we loved the special feeling of formal nights. Yes, it's a pain at times to get all dressed up in a tux and or gown, but well worth it when you saw everyone else looking so beautiful at dinner and in the lounges. It was a sign of respect in the old days. Even the poorest of the poor years ago would dress in their finest to go to church. Now the most important thing is to be comfortable and wear anything you want that will accomplish that.

Oh well, like the rest of society cruisers have slid down the slippery slope of not caring at all about anything but our own selfish desires!

The cruise lines are to blame too because most of the times they never in forced their own rules. Holland used to be a cruise line that was more traditional and classy.Heck, Holland now has even taken the dance floor out of the Ocean Bar! they probably don't give you the wonderful appetizers there anymore too. Now they want to be more like Carnival and NCL. I digress tho!

Well, we still like to dress up and make the evening feel "SPECIAL" and not just another day at the office so to speak. We know we are in the minority these days for sure.

I know I will get blasted for these comments but oh well:)

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Not everyone on board wishes to dress to the lowest common denominator.
That will always be true, but the trend is definitely in the LCD direction.

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That will always be true, but the trend is definitely in the LCD direction.

 

 

I will second my good friend Taxman and add a bit to it. Some people do not want to be underdressed. We on cruise critic should be careful to report what is happening now, not lead people to believe in a "direction" for the future based on your own preference.

 

 

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... not lead people to believe in a "direction" for the future based on your own preference.
I didn't state my preference. I simply stated what I have observed over the past few years: the direction is definitely downward.

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I will second my good friend Taxman and add a bit to it. Some people do not want to be underdressed. We on cruise critic should be careful to report what is happening now, not lead people to believe in a "direction" for the future based on your own preference.

 

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I've noticed that the "live reports" or "here's what I saw posts" can often be quite biased and reflect the OP's own preference.

 

Once you get to know and recognize the frequent posters, you soon find out that those who prefer a more casual style rarely see more than a few tuxedos on their cruise while those that prefer a more formal style often see 25% to 30% tuxedos. On the same cruise??? I have long ago concluded that people see what they want to see ;)

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... those who prefer a more casual style rarely see more than a few tuxedos on their cruise while those that prefer a more formal style often see 25% to 30% tuxedos. On the same cruise???
Sure, if one observer dines early in Open and the second dines late in Fixed. It could also depend on where their respective tables are located. Someone in a remote corner will only see tables nearby or what they see walking in and out, while someone on an aisle will see a better cross section.

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Sure, if one observer dines early in Open and the second dines late in Fixed. It could also depend on where their respective tables are located. Someone in a remote corner will only see tables nearby or what they see walking in and out, while someone on an aisle will see a better cross section.

 

The problem is that people very rarely, if ever, qualify their posts with this type of information ... leaving people to assume that their comments apply to the entire ship !

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Not everyone on board wishes to dress to the lowest common denominator. Fortunately, there are still people who appreciate the finer things and are not afraid to demonstrate it. ;)

 

The current Gala Night guidelines balance the desires of those who wish to demonstrate "the finer things" without imposing on others who have different ideas of what constitutes "the finer things".

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Aboard our Dec Oosterdam cruise , everyone wearing shorts was turned away , every evening . Other than that ,saw a few tee's on casual nights and very , very few tux's on Gala night.

 

 

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I've noticed that the "live reports" or "here's what I saw posts" can often be quite biased and reflect the OP's own preference.

 

Once you get to know and recognize the frequent posters, you soon find out that those who prefer a more casual style rarely see more than a few tuxedos on their cruise while those that prefer a more formal style often see 25% to 30% tuxedos. On the same cruise??? I have long ago concluded that people see what they want to see ;)

 

I have noticed this also. I have also noticed that most of the all too frequent dress code threads are usually taken over by those posters who choose not to follow the dress code - namely, those who wish to overdress and to persuade others to do so. The irony is that many times, these same posters who refuse to follow the dress code are criticizing those who under dress for not following the dress code. :rolleyes:

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Dressing for dinner is not 'enjoyable' so let's not.

 

Speak for thy self! I am on a cruise and find dressing to the nines to be quite enjoyable. This isn't Taco Bell - It's a cruise ship, for crying out loud! Wear what you like. I'll be the one in a tux.

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I have noticed this also. I have also noticed that most of the all too frequent dress code threads are usually taken over by those posters who choose not to follow the dress code - namely, those who wish to overdress and to persuade others to do so. The irony is that many times, these same posters who refuse to follow the dress code are criticizing those who under dress for not following the dress code. :rolleyes:

 

 

"Overdressing" is not following the dress code?

 

I am starting to think we live in some alternate universe

 

 

 

 

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"Overdressing" is not following the dress code?

 

I am starting to think we live in some alternate universe

Overdressing is just as inappropriate as underdressing.

 

On Gala night it would be difficult to overdress, but not impossible. I have never seen anyone overdressed on a Gala, or previously on a formal, night. Nor have I ever read a post on this board advocating that people dress in such a fashion on that night.

 

It is easy to overdress on a Smart Casual night, and I have seen posts advocating such. However, those posts have been from people who seem to prefer a lower standard of dress all the time. The suggestion being that anyone can dress up any evening they want to, and there's nothing to stop them from doing so.

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Overdressing is a violation of the dress code???? The dress code is the MINIMUM standard!

 

Minimum standard? I don't see the term "minimum" used anywhere in the standard: http://www.hollandamerica.com/cruise-vacation-planning/PlanningAndAdvice.action?tabName=Cruise+Preparation&contentMenu=Baggage,+Packing+%26+Dress+Code&contentSubMenu=Is+There+A+Dress+Code?&WT.ac=PopTop_Dress.

 

I do see the term, "required" used in the descriptor of Gala Nights, in the sentence, "For Gentlemen, collared shirts and slacks are required...".

 

And I also see the term, "preferred" used, in the sentence, "Jacket and tie is the preferred attire...on all Gala Nights...though it is not required."

 

Of course, it isn't required as HAL has made clear that collared shirts and slacks are required.

 

No where though do I see the term "minimum".

 

And yes, over-dressing is as much a social faux pas as under dressing is. Some people will feel just as uncomfortable dining with someone who is over dressed as they would with someone who is under dressed. Inappropriate attire is still inappropriate.

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I have noticed this also. I have also noticed that most of the all too frequent dress code threads are usually taken over by those posters who choose not to follow the dress code - namely, those who wish to overdress and to persuade others to do so. The irony is that many times, these same posters who refuse to follow the dress code are criticizing those who under dress for not following the dress code. :rolleyes:

 

I have never seen anyone overdressed on a Gala night. Some wear tuxes or long dresses, skirts, etc. Some wear suits, some sportsjackets and some a collared shirt. All of that attire is within HAL's guidelines. I don't see how anyone is "overdressed".

 

The type of attire and the mix you see depends upon the demographics of the passengers on board, the time you are dining, the type of cruise, etc.

 

And, I have never seen fashion police on board either ;)

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The current Gala Night guidelines balance the desires of those who wish to demonstrate "the finer things" without imposing on others who have different ideas of what constitutes "the finer things".

 

Exactly.

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