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1- Size of ship (less than 800 passengers)

2- Cabin (cabins start at suite level)

3-All inclusive (all beverages and tipping)

4-Service (impeccable-trained staff)

 

These are the basic criteria for 6 star cruise line

Regent, Seabourn, Silversea

 

5 1/2 star cruise lines

Azamara, Crystal, Oceania, SeaDream Yachts

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I would say Oceania is a 5 star as well. Gratuities are included if booked during a promo period, as are beer and wine for lunch and dinner, or excursions. They give you a choice of inclusions.

 

 

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I would suggest that the premise that there are 6 star cruise lines is highly debatable.

 

As is the contention that Azamara, and Oceania are 5+ stars bearing in mind the size of their entry level accommodation.

 

As for the inclusion of alcoholic drinks there are valid reasons, such as breadth of choice, and quality, for not including them.

 

Berlitz Guide's highest rated ships do not include alcoholic drinks other than beer in suite.

 

Even accepting the OP's listings, why the exclusion of Viking Ocean?

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I would suggest that the premise that there are 6 star cruise lines is highly debatable.

 

As is the contention that Azamara, and Oceania are 5+ stars bearing in mind the size of their entry level accommodation.

 

As for the inclusion of alcoholic drinks there are valid reasons, such as breadth of choice, and quality, for not including them.

 

Berlitz Guide's highest rated ships do not include alcoholic drinks other than beer in suite.

 

Even accepting the OP's listings, why the exclusion of Viking Ocean?

 

 

You are correct about Viking, I forgot to mention Viking as 5 1/2 star.

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A bit debatable.

 

Interesting that you don't have Europa on the list.

 

Keith

 

Europa is 5 1/2 star, I forgot to add this to the list.

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I would say Oceania is a 5 star as well. Gratuities are included if booked during a promo period, as are beer and wine for lunch and dinner, or excursions. They give you a choice of inclusions.

 

 

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Oceania is 5 1/2 star but not a 6 star cruise line. Cabins must start at suite level and all non and alcohol beverages must be included.

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everybody can put his own criteria :

for me all inclusive " drinks " is not a synonym for luxury at all , being european howver i appreciate service included otherwise said no compulsory service charges ranging from 15 to 18% on special wines and drinks

 

concerning service : smiling and friendliness is not everything it must go with some professional knowledge as well -

 

as usual hapag lloyd Ms Europa 2 and MS Europa are not mentionned , and i am happy the drinks are not included on HL as i do not drink the complimentary wines , not on Crystal not on SB or on SS

 

and i find the difference between Oceania and Azamara quite big

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Europa is 5 1/2 star, I forgot to add this to the list.

At 5+ stars, the Europa, and the Europa 2, are the two highest rated ships by the 2016 Berlitz Guide.

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Hapag Lloyd's Europa 2 and MS Europa, as English Voyager noted, have the highest Berlitz rating. Why does the OP ignore them in his definition of luxury? Perhaps he is only referencing English language ships, as this is an English site, but then he should say so. Scenic Eclipse would also be joining the English language list soon.

 

Otherwise, why does he believe ships must have included wine to be considered luxury, rather than considering the very important issue of quality of food and wine available (e.g., there are 1000 excellent wines to select with limited markup on HL ) instead?

 

These are very small ships, entry level accomodations are > 300 square feet, staff are impeccably trained (though Seabourn had some awesome staff on my recent cruise, they also had quite a few inadequately trained ones, see e.g., my latest CC Barcelona to Dover Seabourn Quest review about various non-luxury issues including violations of DND signs, Colonnade food cutbacks, and almost certain negligent misuse of my on-board filed credit card on disembarkation day ( resulting in my having to cancel that card and all accounts associated with it), plus spotty understaffing).

 

I am not sure where the OP came up with his criteria for luxury that are so different from Berlitz, which does not exclude HL. Of course I realize most people reading here are only interested in sailing on primary English language ships so the exclusion of HL may not matter. I also hope HL does not start cutting corners like the rest of the luxury lines have been doing, or Berlitz will no longer rank them at the top.

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Oceania is 5 1/2 star but not a 6 star cruise line. Cabins must start at suite level and all non and alcohol beverages must be included.

 

 

I totally agree. O misses the 6 star. I almost put them at 4.5 due to the smaller size of the entry level accommodations.

 

 

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and i find the difference between Oceania and Azamara quite big

 

 

How so? Many say they are similar service wise, but an equal amount say what you just did (with the edge usually going to Oceania). DW and I have also been considering Azamara.

 

 

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There is no such thing as a six star cruise line unless that designation is given to the cruise line by itself. Just like Burj Al Arab calls itself a seven star hotel. I can call myself anything I want, that doesn't make it true. I know someone who says he's worth ten billion dollars yet I bet his unreleased tax forms would tell a totally different story.

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Hapag Lloyd's Europa 2 and MS Europa, as English Voyager noted, have the highest Berlitz rating. Why does the OP ignore them in his definition of luxury? Perhaps he is only referencing English language ships, as this is an English site, but then he should say so. Scenic Eclipse would also be joining the English language list soon.

 

Otherwise, why does he believe ships must have included wine to be considered luxury, rather than considering the very important issue of quality of food and wine available (e.g., there are 1000 excellent wines to select with limited markup on HL ) instead?

 

These are very small ships, entry level accomodations are > 300 square feet, staff are impeccably trained (though Seabourn had some awesome staff on my recent cruise, they also had quite a few inadequately trained ones, see e.g., my latest CC Barcelona to Dover Seabourn Quest review about various non-luxury issues including violations of DND signs, Colonnade food cutbacks, and almost certain negligent misuse of my on-board filed credit card on disembarkation day ( resulting in my having to cancel that card and all accounts associated with it), plus spotty understaffing).

 

I am not sure where the OP came up with his criteria for luxury that are so different from Berlitz, which does not exclude HL. Of course I realize most people reading here are only interested in sailing on primary English language ships so the exclusion of HL may not matter. I also hope HL does not start cutting corners like the rest of the luxury lines have been doing, or Berlitz will no longer rank them at the top.

 

Berlitz is not the best for cruise reviews. They take money for advertisement. They have numerous mistakes in the books about description of the ships. They are trying to sell their books. The best reviews come from cruisetruth.com They receive no money from advertisement. Completely unbiased reviews.

Europa is highly ranked cruise ship. There biggest problem is smoking on the ship. All the top 6 star cruise lines have all alcohol beverages included. And yes alcohol does play a part on all cruise ships if you drink or not.

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There is no such thing as a six star cruise line unless that designation is given to the cruise line by itself. Just like Burj Al Arab calls itself a seven star hotel. I can call myself anything I want, that doesn't make it true. I know someone who says he's worth ten billion dollars yet I bet his unreleased tax forms would tell a totally different story.

 

So how do experts distinguish the deference in the quality of certain product. How do the public distinguish the difference between luxury car or cruise line vs chevy or carnival cruise line. Experts test drive and cruise on ships and they determine what is luxury or 6 star. The public buy a product or take a cruise and giver their opinion. To be fair the public would have to buy every car product or cruise on every line to give their opinion if they don't they have a bias opinion of the product or cruise they where on. Bottom line it comes down to opinions. The cruise industry must have set standards for cruise line ratings. Also at some point all cruise lines fail inspections at one time or another just like restaurants.

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In the end, it all comes down to your own opinion.

 

Interestingly enough I rarely see the words "six star" used by most reviewers/writers of cruise lines other then from the actual cruise line. That probably tells you something.

 

We all have our own opinion on what makes a cruise line or even a ship luxurious, etc.

 

And all ships that sail a cruise line are not equal nor are all aircraft of an airline, nor all hotel properties of a brand.

 

By the way, all rooms on a cruise line are not the same and that can make a difference as to the overall experience for some.

 

Do you know the training that the staff of each cruise line has in place. I would tell you that some of the cruise lines on your list for six star over the years have saved quite a bit of money by hiring people at lower salaries. I don't want to get into specifics but I have sailed some of the lines on your six star list that have staff that clearly have not had thorough training such as sommelier's in name only who pour wine but don't really know what they are serving and waiters who clearly are not comparable to many who we have had on other cruise lines or on land who provide a level of service far greater then what we experienced.

 

Your list is pretty objective and not based on a lot of facts.

 

What exactly is a suite? I have stayed in suites and all suites are not the same.

 

Ship size? Why 800 as a cutoff?

 

Inclusive beverages and tips. Why is that six star? Don't get me wrong it's nice that it is included in the cruise fare but that alone doesn't make a cruise ship/line luxury. Does pouring bottles of wine that cost $10.00 really luxurious and six star. Think about it. And yes an opinion but I have sailed on lines not on your six star list that pour wines that are quite a bit more pricey then some on your list.

 

Service. How do you define impeccable service. I'll mention another example. I have sailed one of the cruise lines on your list who feature butlers. Trust me I have had far better butlers on other cruise lines/ships and that even includes Celebrity Cruise Lines.

 

There is a saying that I quote often and that is simply the opinion that counts the most is our very own.

 

In the end, we each will define what we consider luxury using our own terms/priorities.

 

As to six star, five star, etc. to me that is all marketing. It certainly is not fact based IMHO.

 

Keith

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Very well said Keith.

 

Size and perks are certainly not everything.

Impeccable service and food for us on Crystal have become more important to us than our double the size suite on another line which the OP claimed to be in the same category. To us it is not!

 

Enjoy Paris.

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The best reviews come from cruisetruth.com They receive no money from advertisement. Completely unbiased reviews.

 

In it's ranking of 'The World's Top Ten Cruise Lines', cruisetruth.com places:

 

# 1 – HAPAG LLOYD – EUROPA 1 & 2

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With regard to the smoking policy on the Europa 2, according to Hapag-Lloyd Cruises website it is:

 

,All the restaurants are non-smoking restaurants with the exception of the terrace of our Yacht Club Restaurant, where smoking and non-smoking tables are clearly labelled. The theatre, the Belvedere, the Foyer and the Jazzclub, as well as the entire SPA area are also non-smoking areas. Smoking is permitted on the outer terrace of the Sansibar, while the indoor area of the Sansibar is a non-smoking zone. Cigars, cigarillos and pipes may only be smoked in the Herrenzimmer (also during the day) and in the outside area of the Sansibar. Please note that smoking is not permitted in the suites. Smoking is permitted on the veranda. On the Pool Deck under the magrodome, smoking is only permitted in the immediate vicinity of the Pool Bar. All external decks are smoking zones. Smokers are obliged to exclusively use the ashtrays provided.'

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With regard to the smoking policy on the Europa 2, according to Hapag-Lloyd Cruises website it is:

 

 

,All the restaurants are non-smoking restaurants with the exception of the terrace of our Yacht Club Restaurant, where smoking and non-smoking tables are clearly labelled. The theatre, the Belvedere, the Foyer and the Jazzclub, as well as the entire SPA area are also non-smoking areas. Smoking is permitted on the outer terrace of the Sansibar, while the indoor area of the Sansibar is a non-smoking zone. Cigars, cigarillos and pipes may only be smoked in the Herrenzimmer (also during the day) and in the outside area of the Sansibar. Please note that smoking is not permitted in the suites. Smoking is permitted on the veranda. On the Pool Deck under the magrodome, smoking is only permitted in the immediate vicinity of the Pool Bar. All external decks are smoking zones. Smokers are obliged to exclusively use the ashtrays provided.'

 

There smoking policy is not enforced on Europa.

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In the end, it all comes down to your own opinion.

 

Interestingly enough I rarely see the words "six star" used by most reviewers/writers of cruise lines other then from the actual cruise line. That probably tells you something.

 

We all have our own opinion on what makes a cruise line or even a ship luxurious, etc.

 

And all ships that sail a cruise line are not equal nor are all aircraft of an airline, nor all hotel properties of a brand.

 

By the way, all rooms on a cruise line are not the same and that can make a difference as to the overall experience for some.

 

Do you know the training that the staff of each cruise line has in place. I would tell you that some of the cruise lines on your list for six star over the years have saved quite a bit of money by hiring people at lower salaries. I don't want to get into specifics but I have sailed some of the lines on your six star list that have staff that clearly have not had thorough training such as sommelier's in name only who pour wine but don't really know what they are serving and waiters who clearly are not comparable to many who we have had on other cruise lines or on land who provide a level of service far greater then what we experienced.

 

Your list is pretty objective and not based on a lot of facts.

 

What exactly is a suite? I have stayed in suites and all suites are not the same.

 

Ship size? Why 800 as a cutoff?

 

Inclusive beverages and tips. Why is that six star? Don't get me wrong it's nice that it is included in the cruise fare but that alone doesn't make a cruise ship/line luxury. Does pouring bottles of wine that cost $10.00 really luxurious and six star. Think about it. And yes an opinion but I have sailed on lines not on your six star list that pour wines that are quite a bit more pricey then some on your list.

 

Service. How do you define impeccable service. I'll mention another example. I have sailed one of the cruise lines on your list who feature butlers. Trust me I have had far better butlers on other cruise lines/ships and that even includes Celebrity Cruise Lines.

 

There is a saying that I quote often and that is simply the opinion that counts the most is our very own.

 

In the end, we each will define what we consider luxury using our own terms/priorities.

 

As to six star, five star, etc. to me that is all marketing. It certainly is not fact based IMHO.

 

Keith

 

There must be some type of order in which cruise lines are ranked. This helps consumer make their judgment which cruise line to vacation on. There is no standards in the cruise industry. Vacation to go gives ship rankings from 3-6 star ratings. They rank the ship not the cruise line. I think this is very difficult. Consumers should judge the cruise line first then the ships within the cruise line second. Butler service is giving to the higher suites mostly on all cruise lines. Suite is a category on all ships. Suites size vary from ship to ship but most start at 290 sq. ft. Crystal is definitely luxury cruise line. Most upscale consumers want low amount of passengers and want a suite. Crystal doesn't have these amenities at their starting cabin level (outside window). Crystal is noted for their food and service. Amenities is the most concerning for upscale travelers. There concern is the amount of passengers, suites, food quality which is debatable, service (the crew know you by your name). All inclusive ships. This may be no concern to you but for upscale travelers it's everything.

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Very well said Keith.

 

Size and perks are certainly not everything.

Impeccable service and food for us on Crystal have become more important to us than our double the size suite on another line which the OP claimed to be in the same category. To us it is not!

 

Enjoy Paris.

 

Size and amenities are everything to upscale travelers.

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In it's ranking of 'The World's Top Ten Cruise Lines', cruisetruth.com places:

 

# 1 – HAPAG LLOYD – EUROPA 1 & 2

 

That's correct. If you are non smoker this is the last ship you would go on. European cruise lines are the worst for enforcing their no smoke policy. Again I say upscale travelers want all inclusive cruise lines. Hapag Lloyd doesn't offer this amenity. There is a need for basic standards for cruise reviews and there is none. Unless reviewers where on all cruise lines how do you distinguish guide lines for your review? Travelers give their opinion of the ships they where on but how do you compare your ship vs the other ships that you where not on. The cruise reviews need a standard for saying it's 3-6 star ship.

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Paul your post is exactly what I am talking about.

 

Even the agency that did the ranking of ships if they did the same for cruise lines what does that mean. It is likely based on one persons opinion and we really don't know iff they have sailed all ships let along cruise lines. However, to me ships are very important because all ships are not created equally and in some cases vary considerably and that includes many of the categories you mentioned. More on that in a second.

 

It is not very often that I even hear the word six stars mentioned for a cruise line/ship but either way what one persons ranks six versus five star another person might see it just the opposite.

 

Same goes for all products.

 

Even Consumer Reports who does a lot of testing doesn't always get it right with their rankings and what they say is number one might not be number one on my list or yours.

 

Interesting thought. I look much deeper then the cruise line and do look at the ship. Many of the ships on luxury lines are totally different. The Silver Wind is very different then the Muse in what it can offer and that includes enrichment, entertainment, food, restaurants, fitness and so forth. I would prioritize ship first when it comes to such a diverse set of ships in a fleet.

 

We all have things that are important to us when we make our decisions.

 

I will tell you that a star means nothing to me.

 

There is another saying. The devil is in the details.

 

Making a decision just based on a rating that someone else selected makes very little sense to me. I want to do a lot more research and that includes knowing what the ship has to offer.

 

As I said the only opinion that matters is our very own.

 

Keith

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There smoking policy is not enforced on Europa.

 

I have not sailed on the Europa so I cannot comment on your assertion.

 

However, I have cruised several times on the Europa 2, and have never seen any of the, predominantly German, passengers flouting the smoking policy.

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So how do experts distinguish the deference in the quality of certain product. How do the public distinguish the difference between luxury car or cruise line vs chevy or carnival cruise line. Experts test drive and cruise on ships and they determine what is luxury or 6 star. The public buy a product or take a cruise and giver their opinion. To be fair the public would have to buy every car product or cruise on every line to give their opinion if they don't they have a bias opinion of the product or cruise they where on. Bottom line it comes down to opinions. The cruise industry must have set standards for cruise line ratings. Also at some point all cruise lines fail inspections at one time or another just like restaurants.

 

 

No so called "Expert" or reviewer or critic gives anything six stars. When you see something called six stars it's usually the marketing department of said property that assigns those stars.

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1- Size of ship (less than 800 passengers)

2- Cabin (cabins start at suite level)

3-All inclusive (all beverages and tipping)

4-Service (impeccable-trained staff)

 

These are the basic criteria for 6 star cruise line

Regent, Seabourn, Silversea

 

5 1/2 star cruise lines

Azamara, Crystal, Oceania, SeaDream Yachts

 

Based on your criteria they are all 5 1/2 star, none make it to six star category because all of them have cabins that are not truly suites.

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Berlitz is not the best for cruise reviews. They take money for advertisement. They have numerous mistakes in the books about description of the ships. They are trying to sell their books. The best reviews come from cruisetruth.com They receive no money from advertisement. Completely unbiased reviews.

Europa is highly ranked cruise ship. There biggest problem is smoking on the ship. All the top 6 star cruise lines have all alcohol beverages included. And yes alcohol does play a part on all cruise ships if you drink or not.

 

You're right about no advertising, but it as to get it's funding from some place.

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Paul your post is exactly what I am talking about.

 

Even the agency that did the ranking of ships if they did the same for cruise lines what does that mean. It is likely based on one persons opinion and we really don't know iff they have sailed all ships let along cruise lines. However, to me ships are very important because all ships are not created equally and in some cases vary considerably and that includes many of the categories you mentioned. More on that in a second.

 

It is not very often that I even hear the word six stars mentioned for a cruise line/ship but either way what one persons ranks six versus five star another person might see it just the opposite.

 

Same goes for all products.

 

Even Consumer Reports who does a lot of testing doesn't always get it right with their rankings and what they say is number one might not be number one on my list or yours.

 

Interesting thought. I look much deeper then the cruise line and do look at the ship. Many of the ships on luxury lines are totally different. The Silver Wind is very different then the Muse in what it can offer and that includes enrichment, entertainment, food, restaurants, fitness and so forth. I would prioritize ship first when it comes to such a diverse set of ships in a fleet.

 

We all have things that are important to us when we make our decisions.

 

I will tell you that a star means nothing to me.

 

There is another saying. The devil is in the details.

 

Making a decision just based on a rating that someone else selected makes very little sense to me. I want to do a lot more research and that includes knowing what the ship has to offer.

 

As I said the only opinion that matters is our very own.

 

Keith

 

One final question. If you are going to the movies and where trying to decide on what movie to see and there is a 1 star or 6 star movie what movie would you see?

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There must be some type of order in which cruise lines are ranked. This helps consumer make their judgment which cruise line to vacation on. There is no standards in the cruise industry. Vacation to go gives ship rankings from 3-6 star ratings. They rank the ship not the cruise line. I think this is very difficult. Consumers should judge the cruise line first then the ships within the cruise line second. Butler service is giving to the higher suites mostly on all cruise lines. Suite is a category on all ships. Suites size vary from ship to ship but most start at 290 sq. ft. Crystal is definitely luxury cruise line. Most upscale consumers want low amount of passengers and want a suite. Crystal doesn't have these amenities at their starting cabin level (outside window). Crystal is noted for their food and service. Amenities is the most concerning for upscale travelers. There concern is the amount of passengers, suites, food quality which is debatable, service (the crew know you by your name). All inclusive ships. This may be no concern to you but for upscale travelers it's everything.

 

Paul, I had to laugh when you responded to Keith with "this may be no concern to you but for upscale travelers it's everything". You are implying Keith 1010 is not an upscale traveler". You may wish to review his post history.

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Berlitz is not the best for cruise reviews. They take money for advertisement. They have numerous mistakes in the books about description of the ships. They are trying to sell their books. The best reviews come from cruisetruth.com They receive no money from advertisement. Completely unbiased reviews.

Europa is highly ranked cruise ship. There biggest problem is smoking on the ship. All the top 6 star cruise lines have all alcohol beverages included. And yes alcohol does play a part on all cruise ships if you drink or not.

 

Are you saying that HL pays Berlitz money for advertising but Regent, SB do not, or paid less, and that is why Berlitz ranked HL so high? If so, do you have a citation for this?

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There smoking policy is not enforced on Europa.

 

I was on Europa 14 days last fall and smoking was only allowed where smoking was designated as permissible.

 

That may still be too much exposure for very finicky people, but could you tell use when you were on her when you found it was NOT enforced in the designated area?

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That's correct. If you are non smoker this is the last ship you would go on. European cruise lines are the worst for enforcing their no smoke policy. Again I say upscale travelers want all inclusive cruise lines. Hapag Lloyd doesn't offer this amenity. There is a need for basic standards for cruise reviews and there is none. Unless reviewers where on all cruise lines how do you distinguish guide lines for your review? Travelers give their opinion of the ships they where on but how do you compare your ship vs the other ships that you where not on. The cruise reviews need a standard for saying it's 3-6 star ship.

 

I am a non-smoker, and an "upscale traveler" but MS Europa and Europa 2 are my first choices for cruising. I agree that there is more potential smoke exposure on these ships ( e.g., it is allowed on balconies), but I do not agree they do not enforce their stated policies ( the exception I saw was New Years Eve at midnight under the Magradome, on the E2, there were people who lit up in a non-smoking area).

But Princess is mostly non-smoking, and has no appeal as it does not offer luxury products F&B.

I am more interested in luxury food and luxury service than I am in avoiding minute amounts of second hand smoke exposure on a ship, which is much less than I get in ports most people crave to see with great excitement but while being terrified of whiffs of outdoor smoke here and there on ships.

 

As Keith1010, a very experienced luxury traveler, has said, we all have our individual preferences and we need to decide what is right for each of us. That does not mean there are no correlations with certain features luxury travelers seek, such as large cabin size, or even inclusivity, but the r value is not 0.99.

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I've said it before and I'll say it again - it's virtually impossible to rank luxury cruise lines based on a fixed set of criteria like this. What's luxury for one person may or may not be luxury for another. There are things on the OP's list that don't really matter that much for me and other things I find important that aren't on the list.

 

To me:

Included alcohol is a definite plus. Included cheap alcohol isn't.

A nice cigar lounge is a plus. People puffing cigarettes all over the ship isn't.

A choice of 'happening' lounges or a quiet corner to read is a plus.

Friendly yet professional service - with a smile - is a plus.

 

I could go on and on. I've seen lists where people have requirements that don't make a bit of difference to me. I could care less about a casino, but it's a deal-breaker for some. I prefer high-quality spirits, my wife prefers good wine. My wife likes surf, I like turf.

 

There was a cutoff of 800 passengers, yet no mention of guest to staff ratio, or open space ratios...there really are so many intangibles as to make these types of discussions nothing more than an exercise in polite discussion.

 

I think if I come back from a cruise completely rested, five pounds heavier, mentally recharged, and constantly smiling at the memory of the cruise - it's a luxury. I don't care how many 'stars' a line receives. If I get treated with warmth and politeness for a week or two, well, I'll keep coming back.

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catlover , i agree with you on quite a lot of items and it is mentionned on the backside of the Berlitz book "Douglas Ward accepts no sponsorships. "

Before the ms Europa 2, the ms Europa was the best ship, and before the former Royal Viking Sun ( now Prinsendam ) and long time ago the Sagaford what was in her great days under Norwegian flag.

For me the gastronomy is rather very important and I am glad i discovered the HL ships. And it is not the amount of caviar but the constant quality ranging from fresh juices for breakfast, nice fruits , local purchased fish , nice canapes on parties and real French champagne offered on those. Smaal items make the difference.

Free drinks is maybe a factor, but not a dominant one , on my first Seabourn i noticed people drunk on a daily base before dinner ... on my first Crystal after "all in" every evening i was surrounded by people finishing more as one full bottle of wine each during dinner

The high standard of service on HL is maybe only matched by Crystal

Concerning entertainment : i am feeling sorry to say it but on at least 2 luxury companies : there are entertainers doing the same act for ages - one did even work on former Royal Viking still the same ...:o

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Based on your criteria they are all 5 1/2 star, none make it to six star category because all of them have cabins that are not truly suites.

 

Thats incorrect all suites start around 290 sf ft and up.

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Paul, I had to laugh when you responded to Keith with "this may be no concern to you but for upscale travelers it's everything". You are implying Keith 1010 is not an upscale traveler". You may wish to review his post history.

 

 

What are you talking about Keith? Upscale travelers is the term used by most Travel Companies. By the way I also have the same travel experience has Keith 1010.

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By the way I also have the same travel experience has Keith 1010.

Technically, unless you've been on every flight, cruise, hike, trip, excursion, etc. as Keith1010 has, you don't have the same travel experience. You may have travelled more or less or gone to more or fewer destinations, but everyone's travel experience is different (I've seen it with people on the same cruise - one loved it, one hated it).

 

That's another reason cruise reviews need to be taken with a grain of salt...different people want different things.

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