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I am recently returned from a Harmony of the Seas cruise on which a family (seemed to be 6 or 7 people) had a very small dog, I think a Yorkie, which one or the other of them carried all over the ship. I did not know any but service dogs were allowed on cruise ships and this dog was doing no service except being cute. So what gives?

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I am recently returned from a Harmony of the Seas cruise on which a family (seemed to be 6 or 7 people) had a very small dog, I think a Yorkie, which one or the other of them carried all over the ship. I did not know any but service dogs were allowed on cruise ships and this dog was doing no service except being cute. So what gives?

 

They probably went online and were able to get the documentation to declare him a service dog. Hence they were allowed to bring him onboard. This has been happening quite a bit in recent years.

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There are so many service dogs. It could have been of some sort you are not familiar with.

 

Or I suppose if one was skeptical... it could be someone taking advantage of the service dog policy and had false documentation of it being a service dog.

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And maybe it actually really was.......
One of the least externally obvious forms of service dogs are those that alert someone who has a hearing impairment to sounds. Perhaps this was one of those.

 

 

 

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If different people were carrying the dog around, it is unlikely it was a true service dog. It is unfortunate that some people circumvent and abuse the rules.

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I didn't realize the "service pets" had made it to the cruise ships. I work for a major airline and its totally out of control. It is to the point that it is ruining it for the folks that truely need a service animal (a real service animal...not a pet).

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I didn't realize the "service pets" had made it to the cruise ships. I work for a major airline and its totally out of control. It is to the point that it is ruining it for the folks that truely need a service animal (a real service animal...not a pet).

 

I feel for you. I've seen actual pics of the so-called service pets people have brought on planes. Unbelievable.

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They may have been able to classify the dog as a service dog, not as a pet, in relation to a particular disability of a guest.

 

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I know of someone who had a small dog that alerts them when a seizure is about to happen. I have no idea how the dog knows, but that is really not the point.

 

The point is, there are legitimate service animals for many things. However, many...unfortunately my cousin is one...go online and get certificates for "emotional support animals" (that is what my cousin has) but they have never been under treatment for emotional issues, seen a doctor for emotional issues, been in ad hoc group sessions for emotional issues or, in any other form or setting, have been thought to have emotional issues. Those are the problem people.

 

In my opinion airlines, cruise lines, trains, hotels, etc. should require something from a doctor and there should be a requirement of documentation that a certified trainer has performed specific and specialized training that enables the animal to provide the assistance a doctor said was needed.

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I know of someone who had a small dog that alerts them when a seizure is about to happen. I have no idea how the dog knows, but that is really not the point.

 

The point is, there are legitimate service animals for many things. However, many...unfortunately my cousin is one...go online and get certificates for "emotional support animals" (that is what my cousin has) but they have never been under treatment for emotional issues, seen a doctor for emotional issues, been in ad hoc group sessions for emotional issues or, in any other form or setting, have been thought to have emotional issues. Those are the problem people.

 

In my opinion airlines, cruise lines, trains, hotels, etc. should require something from a doctor and there should be a requirement of documentation that a certified trainer has performed specific and specialized training that enables the animal to provide the assistance a doctor said was needed.

 

Absolutely agree.

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True service animals are welcome in my world. Unfortunately, it is difficult to profile service animal "posers" and their dishonest owners. Who am I to judge? But I am certainly willing to hire someone else to be the judge. Obviously, there needs to be a single certification board granting credentials rather than 150 web sites that provide said credentials. If the public had confidence in the system, then the public would easily accept service animals. Right now, it is trending towards hostile future. Its never too late to improve the system. Call your politicians.... again.

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I know of someone who had a small dog that alerts them when a seizure is about to happen. I have no idea how the dog knows, but that is really not the point.

 

The point is, there are legitimate service animals for many things. However, many...unfortunately my cousin is one...go online and get certificates for "emotional support animals" (that is what my cousin has) but they have never been under treatment for emotional issues, seen a doctor for emotional issues, been in ad hoc group sessions for emotional issues or, in any other form or setting, have been thought to have emotional issues. Those are the problem people.

 

In my opinion airlines, cruise lines, trains, hotels, etc. should require something from a doctor and there should be a requirement of documentation that a certified trainer has performed specific and specialized training that enables the animal to provide the assistance a doctor said was needed.

 

Unfortunately, there is no national standard documentation such as a passport. Since the travel person can not possibly be an expert on all forms of doctor permission slips and be able to spot forgeries, we need one standard form of identification. A service animal passport of sorts.

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Royal could cut down on this a bit by simply charging a fee - the posers are more likely to give up then.

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Please, please use caution when judging what might or might not be a service animal and who may need it.

 

My son served in Iraq and Afghanistan and has severe PTSD and yes he does have a emotional support dog that is a pit bull but has been trained to help with his anxiety attacks. Unfortunately because of individuals that have trained that breed to be mean he is unable to travel with his dog.

 

Yes there are those who take advantage but you never know what someone has been through.

 

 

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Royal could cut down on this a bit by simply charging a fee - the posers are more likely to give up then.

 

At least the daily passenger service charge cuz some crew member has to maintain the potty boxes.

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Please, please use caution when judging what might or might not be a service animal and who may need it.

 

My son served in Iraq and Afghanistan and has severe PTSD and yes he does have a emotional support dog that is a pit bull but has been trained to help with his anxiety attacks. Unfortunately because of individuals that have trained that breed to be mean he is unable to travel with his dog.

 

Yes there are those who take advantage but you never know what someone has been through.

 

 

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I think everyone is referring to the dogs that are dressed up or being fed at the dining table or being pushed around in a carriage. It is unfortunate that people take advantage and then people like your son, who needs his dog, isn't allowed to travel with him.

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I think everyone is referring to the dogs that are dressed up or being fed at the dining table or being pushed around in a carriage. It is unfortunate that people take advantage and then people like your son, who needs his dog, isn't allowed to travel with him.

 

This, exactly.

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Royal could cut down on this a bit by simply charging a fee - the posers are more likely to give up then.

 

 

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The issue with this is that it could potentially violate the Americans With Disabilities Act for truly disabled people and their service dogs.

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I wondered why they were selling those little lanyards in the gift shop that matched the large ones. Turns out they are flea collars

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Recently off from a B2B on Oasis, and we saw a young lady with a puppy Yorkie. I will not comment about its validity as a service dog...But I will comment on the fact that she clearly didn't respond to the poor things needs, because it was pulling on the lead and clearly wanted to 'go'. However, she ignored / failed to recognise the signs and I was just about to say something when it poo'ed on the floor!clear.png?emoji-eek-1725

This was in the photo section with many people / children about. My husband and I were disgusted. It shouldn't have happened - not the poor pups fault. She was not carrying any bags or way of clearing this up clear.png?emoji-mad-1709

The lady was lucky there was a poor cleaner very near and she asked him to get paper towels & it was then cleared up.

 

We thought we had seen it all - but this was a new one for us! :rolleyes:

 

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As someone who dedicates A LOT of time an energy raising Guide Dogs for the Blind on a volunteer basis, I absolutely hate when people carry tiny dogs around and claim them to be for "emotional support". Something needs to give with this ridiculous practice. There are people (PTSD for example) who really do suffer and thrive with the use of a TRAIND AND CERTIFIED animal. Unfortunately, we have not gotten to the point where we have created a standard for the real guid/service animals so people take advantage of it far too much.

 

"I get sad if my yorkie isn't always with me" is not a real reason. Not saying that is the case here however I expect it is. Service animals should not be carried around in purses.

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As someone who dedicates A LOT of time an energy raising Guide Dogs for the Blind on a volunteer basis, I absolutely hate when people carry tiny dogs around and claim them to be for "emotional support". Something needs to give with this ridiculous practice. There are people (PTSD for example) who really do suffer and thrive with the use of a TRAIND AND CERTIFIED animal. Unfortunately, we have not gotten to the point where we have created a standard for the real guid/service animals so people take advantage of it far too much.

 

"I get sad if my yorkie isn't always with me" is not a real reason. Not saying that is the case here however I expect it is. Service animals should not be carried around in purses.

Proper service dogs are a lifesaver but these comfort dogs are a ruse to possibly save on kennel costs because on a ship the experience is a comfort itself.

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The fact that multiple people were carrying the dog is the clue here.

 

Its so frustrating that people have to ruin things for others by taking advantage like this.

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Since they have themed cruises, how awesome would it be to have just one cruise a dog friendly cruise?

 

 

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The fact that multiple people were carrying the dog is the clue here.

 

Its so frustrating that people have to ruin things for others by taking advantage like this.

Lots of people have big dogs which they miss when they are on a cruise and it is unfair on them when people bring their small dogs on board.

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And then there are those of us with dog allergies that can end in an Asthma attack, depending on the type of dog. Whose needs should get preference?

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Just off the Enchantment, a "service" dog crapped on the carpet in the casino.

Gross!

 

 

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Unusual for a service dog and unfortunate for people in the casino and probably distressing for the owner.

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I just got off the Explorer with a couple who carried around a toy poodle dressed in a full outfit with shoes and a hat. They claimed he was an emotional support animal. That is crap, they just wanted the dog with them.

 

I think the cruise lines should be able to see proof that an animal is a service dog before allowing animals on the ship.

 

 

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And then there are those of us with dog allergies that can end in an Asthma attack, depending on the type of dog. Whose needs should get preference?

Good point.

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I just got off the Explorer with a couple who carried around a toy poodle dressed in a full outfit with shoes and a hat. They claimed he was an emotional support animal. That is crap, they just wanted the dog with them.

 

I think the cruise lines should be able to see proof that an animal is a service dog before allowing animals on the ship.

 

 

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I agree.

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My niece has a service dog for epilepsy. However, my sister would never take her on a cruise due to her condition.

ETA: you would never know by looking at her

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I agree.

After 45 cruises i have only seen 1 guide dog ( service dog) and no comfort dogs so maybe it is predominantly in the US that this occurs.

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I have a buddy that has a fox as a pet. If a dog can pass as an 'emotional support' animal, why can't his fox? Or my other friend's bunny? Some folks actually have pigs. Should RCL prevent someone on ship with their pig?

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I have a buddy that has a fox as a pet. If a dog can pass as an 'emotional support' animal, why can't his fox? Or my other friend's bunny? Some folks actually have pigs. Should RCL prevent someone on ship with their pig?

We could open a can of worms with this lol.

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From Royal Caribbean's website: http://www.royalcaribbean.com/contentWithHero.do?pagename=service_animals

 

To me, this reads as if all a person has to do is say the dog is a service animal. Not sure I think that is right.

 

 

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SERVICE ANIMALS

 

 

 

Royal Caribbean International welcomes service dogs on all ships.* Please note we do not accept pets.

 

A service dog is defined as "any dog that is individually trained to do work or perform tasks for the benefit of a person with a disability." Service dogs are not considered pets.

 

Evidence that a dog is a service dog is helpful but not required (such as identification cards, other written documentation, presence of harnesses and/or tags or the credible verbal assurance of the person with a disability using the dog).

 

We provide 4 feet by 4 feet relief areas with cypress mulch to accommodate service dogs. Sod for sailings from the U.S. can be provided if ordered in advance and is available. Relief areas are provided on a shared basis with other service dogs onboard. Please note that Central Park on OasisSM class ships is not designated as a relief area.

 

Please notify our Access Department at time of booking but no later than 30 days prior to sailing if a service dog relief area is needed.

 

Service dogs are permitted to accompany the person with a disability in all public areas, including dining venues. While in public areas, service dogs must be on a leash, harness or other restraining device. Due to health regulations, service dogs are not permitted in pools, whirlpools or spas.

 

Care and supervision of the service dog is the sole responsibility of the owner. The ships are not required to provide food or care for the dog.

 

Guests may bring a reasonable quantity of food and bowls for the dog onboard the ship at no additional charge. If refrigerated space is needed, notify our Access Department at time of booking but no later than 30 days prior to sailing.

 

If the guest chooses to disembark the ship at a port at which the service dog must remain onboard, the guest must make arrangements to ensure that the dog is cared for. Note that the ship's staff is not required to care for the dog, nor can the dog be left in the stateroom unattended.

 

Guests are responsible for obtaining all required documents for the animal to depart the ship in ports of call and at final destination. For document requirements, visit:

A copy of these permits must be carried on the ship, and a copy left with Guest Relations Desk upon boarding the ship.

 

Please not all documentation and immunization requirements are established by government authorities and not Royal Caribbean International. Please note requirements are subject to change without notice.

 

 

 

Guests are responsible for the behavior or damage caused by their service dog. A cleaning fee may be charged to the guest's shipboard account.

 

If the service dog's behavior creates a fundamental alteration or a direct threat to safety, the dog may be denied boarding or removed from the ship along with the owner at the guest's expense. Examples include: growling, barking excessively, initiating unsolicited contact, biting other guests and/or crewmembers, failure to use designated relief areas, sitting on furniture, eating from the table, etc.

 

If you have an animal that does not meet the definition of a service animal (i.e. a dog trained to perform a task) but must accompany you in order to assist you with your disability, please contact our Access Department at least 60 days prior to sailing.

 

Assistance Dogs to the United Kingdom (UK)

 

Assistance dogs entering the United Kingdom must meet the rules of the Pet Travel Scheme.

 

 

You are responsible for ensuring your assistance dog meets all these rules. Please make sure you have had the procedures carried out in the correct order and your dog's documentation is correctly completed.

 

 

We will do our best to assist you in ensuring your assistance dog is checked for compliance with the Pet Travel Scheme at boarding. Please note dogs that fail checks will not be allowed to sail.

 

 

If you experience a problem with your documentation upon entry into the United Kingdom, then any related costs for either the quarantine of or re-export of your pet will be entirely your responsiblity.

 

 

In general, you will need a pet passport (for guests from UK and EU) or official third country veterinary certificate (for guests from the U.S. and other countries outside the UK and EU) showing the dog has been micro-chipped, vaccinated against rabies, and treated against tapeworm not less than 24 hours, and not more than 120 hours before arrival in the UK (not required if travelling from Ireland, Finland, Malta or Norway).

 

 

Pet Passport and Third Country Certificates must be signed, dated and stamped by an Official Veterinarian; this may be different than your local veterinarian. This usually takes extra time.

 

 

Tapeworm treatment should be arranged at the next to last port of call prior to entry to the UK just in case for any reason the scheduled treatment cannot be done, there is another opportunity to arrange a treatment at the next port of call.

 

 

For more information:

  • Visit the DEFRA website at: www.gov.uk/defra
  • Contact the Pet Travel Scheme Helpline: Telephone: +44 (0) 370 241 1710 - Monday to Friday - 8 AM to 6 PM UK time (closed Bank Holidays)E-mail: pettravel@ahvla.gsi.gov.uk - please include your postal address and a day time telephone number
  • Consult your veterinarian

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For some reason, American companies are absolutely terrified to challenge anyone who brings an animal with them anywhere. The ADA is broad, but it is not unlimited.

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first thing first. there is a big difference between "service animal" and "support animal"

a service animal is a licensed and well trained animal while a "support animal" is a animal that is someone got a certificate saying they need it, most commonly emotional support animal which can be done over the internet for a few hundred dollars. support animals are hugely abused. while searching for a new apartment few years ago, the person working on behalf of the apartment company informed me that if i want a dog to get it certified and by law they cannot even attempt to do anything to stop it even if the property was no pets allowed because they are protected by law. also, the law prohibits anyone from charging more or denying them service because of both support and service animals. so if royal charged more or denied someone or their support dog they would have a lawsuit on their hands.

i know all this cause i got myself a little puggy and i had to travel with him on the plane on a move and refused to abuse the system (wierdly got treated as a second class citizen by some airline staff because he wasnt a support dog, which i paid a ton of money to have him go, paperwork filled with USDA and stayed in his carrier then entire time, didnt bark once, had the best nap of his life :P and trust me if i had a choice i wouldnt put any animal through that situation but it was that or give him up which is not happening!)

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