Stupid Question, please do not flame me

[kevmoley]

I think your confusion here is that you are ignoring the words specifying WHERE the smart casual should be worn, and you are misinterpreting the "during the day" to mean actual daytime or daylight hours. Focus on the word ANYTIME instead of ignoring that in order to highlight the other part. The day is 24 hours long. ANYTIME during the day cruise casual can be worn in the places specified. Smart casual is required in the places described in your post. Your quote is accurate, but you are misunderstanding it.

 

Dress Casual anytime during the day ..comma..... interpreted exactly as it is written but I see your point.. However, if you take into consideration the rule of Smart Casual applied for dining (MDR and all Extra Cost Dining) at night as it is intended. It is what I have been saying all along.. Buffett and O"Sheehans, you can wear whatever you want when you want

Edited November 6, 2017 by kevmoley

[Two Wheels Only]

However, if you take into consideration the rule of Smart Casual applied for dining (MDR and all Extra Cost Dining) at night as it is intended. It is what I have been saying all along..

 

 

"Resort casual and shorts are allowed in all dining venues except Bayamo and Le Bistro after 5pm. " - NCL dailies

[grouchomarx]

There is too much nit picking and over analysis of the fine print. We all know what the statement about the "overly faded or torn jeans worn below the hips" is a reference to. It's not about a lady in some ripped jeans that looks nice and put together. Here's the point: if you're a female, most dress codes do not apply to you, they are meant for the guys to pay attention to. If you're a woman, and you wear ripped jeans and make it look nice and you're well groomed and put together, nobody is going to stop you from dining. If you walk in looking like a dirty hobo that's been through a wood chipper, maybe not. It's all about how you present yourself and NCL and everyone else tries to find ways to ask, please do not show up looking like a disgusting pig, we have standards. It's difficult to achieve that with specific dress codes, recommendations, and bans on certain types of garments. They have to be polite about it. One can easily abide by the strictest dress codes and look like a completely unstylish slob at the same time. I've seen it every cruise and on land too. One of the things I appreciate about NCL is that they're more relaxed than some other lines and don't burden people with lots of dress codes and they have no formal nights. They are fostering a more relaxed environment intentionally. It's the only cruise line I've sailed and took no heels with me. Now that's saying something!

[kevmoley]

"Resort casual and shorts are allowed in all dining venues except Bayamo and Le Bistro after 5pm. " - NCL dailies

 

Again, that is NOT what is stated on their website. There are two rules for dressing as I have posted above. If all casual, there would be no need to even mention Smart Casual but they do mention it and NO WHERE do they state just LeBistro and Bayamo in these rules. They DO mention the Formal Dining Room (MDR's) and their Upscale Specialty Restaurants (extra cost). How LeBistro is upscale while Cagney's and others are not is another question I guess.

 

Now, as you have stated, the Daily's say different. Then, NCL should adjust their rules on their website because no one gets the Daily's until they board the ship. ;)

[mugtech]

I also never took any heels on NCL, plan to continue said course of action.

[Two Wheels Only]

If all casual, there would be no need to even mention Smart Casual but they do mention it and NO WHERE do they state just LeBistro and Bayamo in these rules. They DO mention the Formal Dining Room (MDR's) and their Upscale Specialty Restaurants (extra cost).

On some ships, ONE of the MDRs is smart casual. On some ships, none of the MDRs is smart casual.

Look again, under Cruise Casual, it states "...in most specialty restaurants." That is because most specialty restaurants are cruise casual while some (Le Bistro and another) are smart casual. It ISN'T all specialty restaurants are smart casual.

 

 

How LeBistro is upscale while Cagney's and others are not is another question I guess.

It's easy. Le Bistro is one of the "more upscale" specialty restaurants while Cagney's is not. That is why shorts are fine in Cagney's for dinner while they are (technically) not allowed in Le Bistro.

 

 

Now, as you have stated, the Daily's say different. Then, NCL should adjust their rules on their website because no one gets the Daily's until they board the ship. ;)

The dailies are the more current information. Nobody would be under dressed if just reading the website but there is no specific information as to which restaurants are smart casual unless looking at the dailies....or asking here for the current/correct information.

[Cruise or Lose!]

Ripped jeans do not look nice, well-groomed or put together. They look like a cry for attention. And then when the person receives the negative attention they are so desperate to obtain, they scream bloody murder.

 

It’s all so very tiresome.

 

 

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[kevmoley]

On some ships, ONE of the MDRs is smart casual. On some ships, none of the MDRs is smart casual.

Look again, under Cruise Casual, it states "...in most specialty restaurants." That is because most specialty restaurants are cruise casual while some (Le Bistro and another) are smart casual. It ISN'T all specialty restaurants are smart casual.

 

 

 

I agree 100% with you on the Daily's. They are the interpretation of the corporate rules by the Captain and the crew and we all know that the Captain has the last say on his/her ship. :) That also mean that these rule can be slightly different from ship to ship.

 

However, NCL's Corporate rules (the rules on the website) are slightly different and are very clear. I know someone pointed out that in the 1st Rule, Cruise Casual, during the day referred to a full day (both day and night). If that were true, there would be no need for Rule 2, Smart Casual and since there is a Rule 2, rule 1 is specifically talking about the day (daytime).

 

Here is one part of the Corporate Rule that I did not mention but again, very clear.

 

A FEW CONSIDERATIONS

 

Kids 12 and under are welcome to wear nice shorts in all our restaurants. However, tank tops for men, flip flops, baseball caps, visors and jeans that are overly faded with holes or tears and worn below the hips are not permitted in main dining rooms or specialty restaurants.

 

 

Hey, in the end, I really don't care what someone else is wearing. I don't judge or question what other passengers do on the ship. I can only hope that common sense is applied. Plus, everyone enjoy their vacation :D

[mjkacmom]

Ripped jeans do not look nice, well-groomed or put together. They look like a cry for attention. And then when the person receives the negative attention they are so desperate to obtain, they scream bloody murder.

 

It’s all so very tiresome.

 

 

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And yet, they can be pricy!

http://www.neimanmarcus.com/Dolce-Gabbana-Distressed-Skinny-Ankle-Jeans-Dark-Blue/prod200170008_cat44640769__/p.prod?icid=&searchType=EndecaDrivenCat&rte=%252Fcategory.service%253FitemId%253Dcat44640769%2526pageSize%253D29%2526No%253D0%2526Ns%253DPCS_SORT%2526refinements%253D194&grpId=prod200170008&eItemId=prod198200186&xbcpath=cat44640769%2Ccat17740747%2Ccat000001%2Ccat000000&cmCat=product&focusProductId=prod198200186

[Peachypooh]

Ripped jeans are certainly in fashion right now. I saw a celebrity at a local function wearing ripped jeans and they probably cost hundreds of dollars. As far as I am concerned you can wear your ripped jeans but that will be up to NCL. Ironically NCL does allow people who technically are following the dress code (long pants in LeBistro) but otherwise are really hard to sit next to. One time a woman dressed perfectly sat down at a table next to me just drenched in perfume. So bad I couldn't even taste my food anymore. But how are they going to enforce something like that???

[Two Wheels Only]

If that were true, there would be no need for Rule 2, Smart Casual and since there is a Rule 2, rule 1 is specifically talking about the day (daytime).

The only time that "smart casual" comes into play is during the evening. The smart casual locations aren't open during the day.

Simply put, cruise casual is fine (even all 3 meals in the Haven restaurant) but there are a couple of places where smart casual is required.

[zitsky]

And yet, they can be pricy!

 

Ugh. My first reaction was that it did not look good at all. It really looks awful. Not nice, not stylish. Just tacky. Yes it's none of my business what people wear but that's what I think.

[dverzic]

This graphic is too small to read. However it does not come from NCL so who cares what it says. NCL website says smart casual includes jeans for both men and women. Does not state they must be a certain type.

 

 

 

Just click on it and it should be legible. I have an iPad and just tapped the graphic and it came up.

 

 

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[mugtech]

And yet, they can be pricy!

http://www.neimanmarcus.com/Dolce-Gabbana-Distressed-Skinny-Ankle-Jeans-Dark-Blue/prod200170008_cat44640769__/p.prod?icid=&searchType=EndecaDrivenCat&rte=%252Fcategory.service%253FitemId%253Dcat44640769%2526pageSize%253D29%2526No%253D0%2526Ns%253DPCS_SORT%2526refinements%253D194&grpId=prod200170008&eItemId=prod198200186&xbcpath=cat44640769%2Ccat17740747%2Ccat000001%2Ccat000000&cmCat=product&focusProductId=prod198200186

One would think one could buy one's own normal jeans and have fun ripping them, make one's own fashion statement.

[cfr70]

Ripped jeans do not look nice, well-groomed or put together. They look like a cry for attention. And then when the person receives the negative attention they are so desperate to obtain, they scream bloody murder.

 

It’s all so very tiresome.

 

 

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Completely agree. I wore them when I was a teen way back in the 80's and never in my adult years. I saw a post here that said 40 year olds are wearing them. Yikes. I'm 47 and would not be caught dead in them. At 17? Sure. But midlife? Sad!

If you really want to show the skin on your legs ladies...why not just wear a nice dress?!

[nexxuspr]

Well, respecting everybody’s opinion I just want to share my experience. Several times in NCL, and never had a problem with dress code. Some specialty restaurants have the smart casual requirement. Other than that it’s Free! To do what you want. :) You will see people in shorts during dinner. It will be your vacation time so enjoy it the way you want. And how others enjoy their vacation shouldn’t depends on what you do or what you wear. Please post after your vacation and share your experience!! It will be hilarious!!! Have fun!!

 

 

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[newmexicoNita]

I also never took any heels on NCL, plan to continue said course of action.

used to take, heels, panty hose, the whole thing: God I am glad those days are behind me. I usually take one really nice pair of slacks and a really, very girly type of top for one night in Le Bistro. Otherwise, it is pretty casual: no, not jeans with holes, in fact I don't think I have ever worn Jeans to dinner: capris, all the time.

[uneamie]

Years ago...on our very first cruise ( 1988 )....you had to dress up for every dinner meal. Suit for men and dressy pants suit or dress for women. All I can remember is that I didn't want to cruise that way ever again so we didn't.....packing was a nightmare. Then things started to be more flexible but not till NCL's freestyle did we start to love cruising. Dressing up is for weddings and special occasions in my opinion...not for vacations unless you want to.

[uneamie]

NEWS FLASH.....I don't care what you wear on your cruise. I never pay any attention to it. It has no effect on my enjoyment what so ever. In all of my life.....I never focus on people's dress or appearances. I find that to be so shallow and unnecessary. There are some very amazing people under all those clothes so why not focus on that.

[newmexicoNita]

NEWS FLASH.....I don't care what you wear on your cruise. I never pay any attention to it. It has no effect on my enjoyment what so ever. In all of my life.....I never focus on people's dress or appearances. I find that to be so shallow and unnecessary. There are some very amazing people under all those clothes so why not focus on that.

Gee, I don't think anyone has meant to put people down for not dressing in a certain way, or think those who dress differently are not amazing in some ways. I think the point here is simply; is it appropriate to dress in certain ways. The OP asked a question and many of us have tried to give our opinion, not meaning to insinuate you are how you dress. :confused:

[ColinIllinois]

Years ago...on our very first cruise ( 1988 )....you had to dress up for every dinner meal. Suit for men and dressy pants suit or dress for women. All I can remember is that I didn't want to cruise that way ever again so we didn't.....packing was a nightmare. Then things started to be more flexible but not till NCL's freestyle did we start to love cruising. Dressing up is for weddings and special occasions in my opinion...not for vacations unless you want to.

 

 

That's fine. Lots of people don't like to dress up. However, if NCL says that certain venues will have a specific dress code, whether that is a specialty restaurant or the more formal MDR, then the dress code should be enforced. While you may not care what people look like, others want to book venues for a certain class and ambiance. Nothing wrong with that either.

 

Bottom line: Enforce dress codes equally for everyone as advertised.

[newmexicoNita]

That's fine. Lots of people don't like to dress up. However, if NCL says that certain venues will have a specific dress code, whether that is a specialty restaurant or the more formal MDR, then the dress code should be enforced. While you may not care what people look like, others want to book venues for a certain class and ambiance. Nothing wrong with that either.

 

Bottom line: Enforce dress codes equally for everyone as advertised.

oh, I agree with you full force. I am saying, to the person who made the comment, we shouldn't care or pay attention to how others dress. I do not judge a person by the way they dress, but I do judge by the way they follows rules and policies.

[NLH Arizona]

NEWS FLASH.....I don't care what you wear on your cruise. I never pay any attention to it. It has no effect on my enjoyment what so ever. In all of my life.....I never focus on people's dress or appearances. I find that to be so shallow and unnecessary. There are some very amazing people under all those clothes so why not focus on that.

I feel the same way. Wear holes in your jeans or wear a gown, because in the end, I'm going to like or not like you based on the type of person you are, not what you wear.

[zitsky]

I feel the same way. Wear holes in your jeans or wear a gown, because in the end, I'm going to like or not like you based on the type of person you are, not what you wear.

 

Sorry. I still judge people by what they wear. I have a hard time Iiking people who are slobs and obviously don't care about themselves.

[NLH Arizona]

Sorry. I still judge people by what they wear. I have a hard time Iiking people who are slobs and obviously don't care about themselves.

Too each their own. A little story. I was on a cruise on Crystal, which was very formal. I would go to the casino before dinner and would always see a woman playing the slots. The Casino Host and I were talking and I asked her about the woman, because she seemed to always be there. The Host said that, since she dressed a little eccentric or what you would say as sloppy, her tablemates would either totally ignore her or made rude comments about her dress and how she didn't fit in. On one sea day, I was playing a slot machine and this lady sat down next to me. We started talking. She was a professor at UC Berkeley and was probably the most intelligent person I've ever spoken to, she also was a world traveler who had gone to places I only dreamed about at that young age and one of the nicest people I've met. Too bad her tablemates (BTW, she didn't go back to the table after the first two nights with these bullies) missed one awesome lady. I asked my tablemates if she could join us and they all agreed, we all squeezed together to accomodate her, and we all had an awesome time with a lot of great converssation and many, many laughs. You can miss a lot by being judgemental.