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Not sailed with P and O before.

 

Are P and O susceptible to significant price drops before final payment?

 

I am sure they are after, but wonder if it is worth waiting to see if the cruise I am sort of interested in for 2019 changes price significantly, like some of the US lines do.

 

Do they offer any perks?

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Not sailed with P and O before.

 

 

 

Are P and O susceptible to significant price drops before final payment?

 

 

 

I am sure they are after, but wonder if it is worth waiting to see if the cruise I am sort of interested in for 2019 changes price significantly, like some of the US lines do.

 

 

 

Do they offer any perks?

 

 

 

They certainly were, some time ago. But not now. Demand seems to have caught up with supply.

 

There are rarely any price drops and those are very late when people drop out. Generally the cheapest time to book is the day the cruises are released. That was two months ago.

 

 

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Yes.

I booked early this year for Feb 18.

The inside cabin I booked is now offered for £400 less.

Balcony cabins were £600 more than inside and are now offered for £100 more than I paid for an inside.

 

 

The final payment is not due for another 2 weeks.

 

I would cancel and rebook but we are travelling with friends and may not end up on the same flight.

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Yes.

I booked early this year for Feb 18.

The inside cabin I booked is now offered for £400 less.

Balcony cabins were £600 more than inside and are now offered for £100 more than I paid for an inside.

 

 

The final payment is not due for another 2 weeks.

 

I would cancel and rebook but we are travelling with friends and may not end up on the same flight.

So you booked at an expensive point. What was the price when the booking opened.

 

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Yes.

I booked early this year for Feb 18.

The inside cabin I booked is now offered for £400 less.

Balcony cabins were £600 more than inside and are now offered for £100 more than I paid for an inside.

 

 

The final payment is not due for another 2 weeks.

 

I would cancel and rebook but we are travelling with friends and may not end up on the same flight.

If like me you are cruising to the caribbean in Feb 2018 the prices have dropped massively but I think that is largely due to the disaster in some of the islands rather than usual practice.Rather than losing a large deposit by cancelling I have considered transferring the cruise to the one a day earlier (for a lot better cabin!)and just pay the admin cost.However I will probably keep things as they are because on other occasions prices have increased dramaticaly after I have booked.Current trends seem to imply that it is cheaper to book as soon as the cruises go on sale

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Yes I think that, at the moment, the very early booking prices are best however there is still a tendency for P&O to drop prices after the payment date is past.

 

The price drop can be massive towards the end which is gauling. Balcony for less than an inside, delux for less than an outside etc.

 

And it also brings back the issues around select and saver. You can have a "saver" who has paid a lot more for the cabin grade that a late booking select and the select Booker gets shuttles, priority for dining etc.

 

While it is all about market forces and profit it is all very annoying if you are on the wrong end of it like the OP.

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I had been following the prices on a December 18 cruise for a while and they have gone up twice. However the increase has been counteracted by on board spend. Have just got back from a cruise and the price only went up through to embarkation.

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P&O call it fluid pricing I call it taking the p [emoji36]

 

 

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We booked our next cruise on oriana and were told it was the best price and when we got home I found it was £262.00 cheaper same grade so I cancelled it and rebooked the exact same cabin [emoji15]

 

 

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We booked our next cruise on oriana and were told it was the best price and when we got home I found it was £262.00 cheaper same grade so I cancelled it and rebooked the exact same cabin [emoji15]

 

 

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But I bet you still paid more than if you had booked on day one.

 

 

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I don’t know I never saw the first day price but I know that as of today I could have got a balcony cabin for £600.00 cheaper than I paid lol you can’t win with them se la vie as they say in Spain [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

 

 

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I don’t know I never saw the first day price but I know that as of today I could have got a balcony cabin for £600.00 cheaper than I paid lol you can’t win with them se la vie as they say in Spain [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

 

 

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This is the lottery you get involved with when you book at an expensive time. We book on day one and in our last 15 or so cruises have never had our price bettered.

 

 

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When will the winter 2019 itineraries be released? We are sailing next April and were hoping to book a future cruise onboard as we are presuming we may get a decent deal and benefit from extra obc.

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This is the lottery you get involved with when you book at an expensive time. We book on day one and in our last 15 or so cruises have never had our price bettered.

 

 

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Correct me if I am wrong here Dai but you tend to book suites and mini suites? You are probably absolutely correct about them but not for the average balcony cabin. They can and do reduce a lot depending on the cruise. Other cruises - they go up, as you say a lottery.

 

Not everyone can book on day 1. People who still work have to get leave approved, those with care responsibilities need to arrange respite etc. Cruise companies play on this to an extent. Market forces.

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We have booked on day one in the past, but for summer 2019 they have released it so early that we have not booked. I want to see what the other lines are offering before we make a decision. We are not loyal to one cruise line at all. Itinerary is very important to us. There is one P&O cruise we fancy but will not commit to booking until we see what alternatives are available elsewhere. Unfortunately that may mean paying more!

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We have booked on day one in the past, but for summer 2019 they have released it so early that we have not booked. I want to see what the other lines are offering before we make a decision. We are not loyal to one cruise line at all. Itinerary is very important to us. There is one P&O cruise we fancy but will not commit to booking until we see what alternatives are available elsewhere. Unfortunately that may mean paying more!

 

 

 

Personally I have found that if you are not bothered about cabin location the longer you leave it most of the time you can get it cheaper an example is the next cruise we are on we have paid £2207.00 for a balcony cabin and you can get a balcony cabin for £1600.00 on the same cruise.even taking into account the free parking and obc we’ve received it’s still £430.00 cheaper

 

 

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Correct me if I am wrong here Dai but you tend to book suites and mini suites? You are probably absolutely correct about them but not for the average balcony cabin. They can and do reduce a lot depending on the cruise. Other cruises - they go up, as you say a lottery.

 

 

 

Not everyone can book on day 1. People who still work have to get leave approved, those with care responsibilities need to arrange respite etc. Cruise companies play on this to an extent. Market forces.

 

 

 

I do book suites and mini suites but as I use a mobility scooter if I did not and had to book adapted cabins I would still have to book on day one. In other words I do not have a choice.

 

I have to disagree with you about other types of cabin. I read many forums and it is quite clear the number of posts when people complain about price drops has just about dried up. The ones that do appear are usually those who have booked at an expensive point in the booking period. I do agree that prices do go up and down but rarely below the start point.

 

 

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I do book suites and mini suites but as I use a mobility scooter if I did not and had to book adapted cabins I would still have to book on day one. In other words I do not have a choice.

 

I have to disagree with you about other types of cabin. I read many forums and it is quite clear the number of posts when people complain about price drops has just about dried up. The ones that do appear are usually those who have booked at an expensive point in the booking period. I do agree that prices do go up and down but rarely below the start point.

 

 

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So just tough luck for people who still work, or who are carers etc then? Ok for P&O to take advantage of them by pushing up the prices for those who can't book on day 1?

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So just tough luck for people who still work, or who are carers etc then? Ok for P&O to take advantage of them by pushing up the prices for those who can't book on day 1?

 

 

 

It is called supply and demand.

 

 

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So just tough luck for people who still work, or who are carers etc then? Ok for P&O to take advantage of them by pushing up the prices for those who can't book on day 1?

I could never be accused of being a P&O cheerleader, but It's a bit harsh to single them out for moving prices as demand changes, most other cruise lines do the same, as well as other holiday companies, in fact their shareholders would have cause to complain if they didn't.

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I could never be accused of being a P&O cheerleader, but It's a bit harsh to single them out for moving prices as demand changes, most other cruise lines do the same, as well as other holiday companies, in fact their shareholders would have cause to complain if they didn't.

 

Yes. They all do the same so I am certainly not singling out p&o. I have some restrictions on when I can book but even I feel really sorry for parents who can only book in school holidays when the real exploitation happens.

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Yes. They all do the same so I am certainly not singling out p&o. I have some restrictions on when I can book but even I feel really sorry for parents who can only book in school holidays when the real exploitation happens.

If you really want to end school holiday "exploitation" the only way to achieve it is to allow parents to take their children out of school for 2/3 weeks in term time. This would rapidly change the pricing policy of the leisure industry, of course it would mean that eveyone else would have to pay higher prices to compensate for the loss of the school holiday premium pricing, which would lead those then paying more to start complaining.

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While it is all about market forces and profit it is all very annoying if you are on the wrong end of it like the OP.

You didn't read OP's post properly. OP is wondering if there's a possibility of benefitting from price drops prior to final payment date, not grumbling about losing out because of one.

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When will the winter 2019 itineraries be released? We are sailing next April and were hoping to book a future cruise onboard as we are presuming we may get a decent deal and benefit from extra obc.

 

When you say "winter 2019", presumably you mean "winter 2019-20"? If so, then I imagine it will be next April, assuming it follows the same pattern as in previous years. So it may all depend on just when in April you are cruising.

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I used to work in education and prices were very high for me; they haven't changed much since retiring as I usually cruise alone now my daughter has left home. In fact I hardly noticed the massive single supplement because I was no longer paying school holiday prices!

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Yes - prices can and do drop, and that applies just as much to day one booking prices as any other time of booking. It's just that there's an entirely understandable reluctance by some of those booking on day one to accept that it isn't necessarily going to be the lowest price ever to be had. That's the myth that the cruise companies like to put out, and in reality nobody will ever know any different unless they're checking the price they paid every hour of every day between booking and cruising.

 

It's simple economics - if they need to lower a price to sell a suite or a cabin that's what they'll do. Whether or not that price is lower than the day one price.

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Yes - prices can and do drop, and that applies just as much to day one booking prices as any other time of booking. It's just that there's an entirely understandable reluctance by some of those booking on day one to accept that it isn't necessarily going to be the lowest price ever to be had. That's the myth that the cruise companies like to put out, and in reality nobody will ever know any different unless they're checking the price they paid every hour of every day between booking and cruising.

 

It's simple economics - if they need to lower a price to sell a suite or a cabin that's what they'll do. Whether or not that price is lower than the day one price.

 

Forgive me, but you have stated this elsewhere as if it is fact when, as now, it is just your theory. A very logical theory, yes, but not born out in fact.

 

Like DaiB, we have booked a number of cruises when they have been released. They have not all been suites. Every single one has never been cheaper than when we booked. Some have gone up by thousands of pounds. Yes, people can get bargains on Saver fares if they are prepared to be allocated the leftovers (which we aren’t), but there are quite a few of us on here who (perhaps foolishly) check prices very regularly and are all saying the same thing. And we are basing this on hard facts, not theories.

 

Your assertion that because prices change so frequently it is inevitable that, at some given time in the future, they are certain to be cheaper would hold more water if you could provide a concrete example of a Select price that has been sold at a cheaper price (allowing for the value of On Board Credit) a considerable time after release. I would actually like to be proved wrong as having to book so far in advance in order to get the cabins we want at the lowest prices is a pain.

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It's simple economics - if they need to lower a price to sell a suite or a cabin that's what they'll do. Whether or not that price is lower than the day one price.

Obviously, but the observations from people who book a lot more cruises than I do is that it is happening far less frequently than a few years ago: presumably the yield management algorithms in the POLAR booking engine are doing their job and cruises are sailing at whatever profit margin Carnival demand without the need for widespread distress sales.

 

Someone posted an interesting analysis of five Select Price bookings on social media today: roughly monthly prices for the same cabin grade on each cruise he'd booked, plus OBC he received at booking, 'free' parking received and the actual price paid vs the 'brochure' price. Only one, departing next month and so well past final payment, was now below the brochure price and that was still above what he'd actually paid. His conclusion was that booking early gives the best price and that late bargains are now rare, even allowing for his grabbing a couple in the last year or so.

 

If you're only interested in price and you don't have constraints on which cabins you want/need, when you can travel, or what lead time you can afford then there are doubtless opportunities to be had, but your circumstances seem to be comparatively unusual so banging on about them isn't terribly helpful. Even booking a cheap Channel ferry crossing at short notice is a trial for me in order to fit it in around my wife's Russian lessons, singing lessons, weekday film club, book club etc etc, and we're both retired.

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Forgive me, but you have stated this elsewhere as if it is fact when, as now, it is just your theory. A very logical theory, yes, but not born out in fact.

 

Like DaiB, we have booked a number of cruises when they have been released. They have not all been suites. Every single one has never been cheaper than when we booked. Some have gone up by thousands of pounds. Yes, people can get bargains on Saver fares if they are prepared to be allocated the leftovers (which we aren’t), but there are quite a few of us on here who (perhaps foolishly) check prices very regularly and are all saying the same thing. And we are basing this on hard facts, not theories.

 

Your assertion that because prices change so frequently it is inevitable that, at some given time in the future, they are certain to be cheaper would hold more water if you could provide a concrete example of a Select price that has been sold at a cheaper price (allowing for the value of On Board Credit) a considerable time after release. I would actually like to be proved wrong as having to book so far in advance in order to get the cabins we want at the lowest prices is a pain.

 

We have booked a few saver fares (at better prices than day 1 brochure price + perks) and unless we have just been extremely lucky every time we have never had what I would consider to be"leftovers" by which I presume you mean something less desirable?

 

My pet theory (and it is based on no facts at all) is that select guests can and do get upgraded either paid for or complimentary. Savers then get allocated the gaps that are created by these moves, often cabins in prime positions.

 

I am sure that someone, somewhere must get the mythical cabin that is above the disco, next to the laundry, with the balcony that is above the smoking area and overlooked by the bridge etc but to date it has never been me.

 

That said if securing a particular cabin is a priority or required for a soecific reason then day 1 booking is probably best if you can do it. Wasn't in the past but probably is now.

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We have booked a few saver fares (at better prices than day 1 brochure price + perks) and unless we have just been extremely lucky every time we have never had what I would consider to be"leftovers" by which I presume you mean something less desirable?

 

My pet theory (and it is based on no facts at all) is that select guests can and do get upgraded either paid for or complimentary. Savers then get allocated the gaps that are created by these moves, often cabins in prime positions.

 

I am sure that someone, somewhere must get the mythical cabin that is above the disco, next to the laundry, with the balcony that is above the smoking area and overlooked by the bridge etc but to date it has never been me.

 

That said if securing a particular cabin is a priority or required for a soecific reason then day 1 booking is probably best if you can do it. Wasn't in the past but probably is now.

 

That’s good to hear. I am being a little bit ‘tongue in cheek’ describing them as leftovers because, as your experience has shown, they aren’t all going to be poor cabins, but the prospect that it ‘could’ be one that falls short for any of the factors that you rightly mention can blight a cabin (which most who book a Select price will actively avoid) is enough to deter me.

 

I have only once booked a Saver fare. It was on Ventura and for a Penthouse for a short 4 day Cruise. There are only two on the ship and they are identical and we were happy with either. Also, one of them was booked (on a Select booking) so, unless they cancelled (which they didn’t) we actually booked a Saver knowing exactly which cabin we would have! The saving in that instance was a no brainer as we didn’t need shuttles in either port and planned to use Select Dining restaurants, so Dining preference didn’t matter (although, we were allocated our preference)!

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Yes - prices can and do drop, and that applies just as much to day one booking prices as any other time of booking. It's just that there's an entirely understandable reluctance by some of those booking on day one to accept that it isn't necessarily going to be the lowest price ever to be had. That's the myth that the cruise companies like to put out, and in reality nobody will ever know any different unless they're checking the price they paid every hour of every day between booking and cruising.

 

It's simple economics - if they need to lower a price to sell a suite or a cabin that's what they'll do. Whether or not that price is lower than the day one price.

The major savings against launch prices that you believe exist, could these be for fly cruises, because there are well known periods in the Caribbean, November and early December, which do exhibit major price savings because of the general low demand at that time; there are possibly similar times when the Med fly cruise demand is low, necessitating price reductions.

However in general for round trip Southampton sailings over most of the year, prices over the last few years have held up quite well. There will always be less popular cruises during the winter months that might lead to good savings, but the likelihood is that these would have started out fairly low anyway.

But like Dai and Selbourne we have never seen our launch prices for any recent cruise bettered later on, and mostly they have been selling at significantly higher prices.

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Reading this thread made me decide to go and have a look at the current prices for the 2 cruises I booked for 2018 at launch. To be fair they are both on Oriana and are both perhaps more “niche” type cruises...one being Northern Lights and the other being 19 nights in the med....but the results are quite startling....

 

NLights. Our equivalent cabin ( deluxe outside) on “select”price (taking into account OBC) is now £1442 (for the cabin) more expensive and even on Saver fare is now £1258 more. All balcony cabins and suites are sold out.

 

Med Cruise. Our ED balcony cabins have sold out as have all the higher grade balcony cabins...Only the lowest grade EE left and on Select fare are now £2604 more expensive.

 

So....I think it makes a difference on the type of cruise and time of year. There will always be some offers available on the larger ships and for the more “run of the mill” cruises....Caribbean in Springtime and Canary islands more or less anytime ...but for others , book on launch if you can as you will surely get the best price.....and the chance of upgrades if available.

 

And as an aside.....we have a solo traveller with us on the N lights cruise...she is paying almost the same for an LB outside cabin for her sole use as each passenger would pay for double occupancy of that grade....£1000 less than the quote for a solo traveller now....she is happy!

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Don't know about Black Friday. P&O may not offer particularly good late deals direct but you will find some agents offering extremely good late deals. It all depends on the individual cruise of course and how well it has sold.

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Many cruise lines will be offering deals for Black Friday. Do P and O ever do that?

 

 

 

No.

 

 

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Don't know about Black Friday. P&O may not offer particularly good late deals direct but you will find some agents offering extremely good late deals. It all depends on the individual cruise of course and how well it has sold.

Not looking for late deals, just when is the best time to buy for 2019

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If you are looking to book a reasonable way ahead, then as others have said, the best deal is usually as soon as they release the new itineraries. As P&O released 2019 back in September, then you probably need to look at prices now and if you think it is a good enough deal, book it. There will probably be some sort of New Year deal but whether it is any better than what is on offer now is anyone's guess.

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