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Under international law, there is some overlap of jurisdiction between the "flag state" (where the ship is registered) and the "port state" (where the ship is, in this case the US, not Alaska). General international maritime law says that the flag state's laws apply on the vessel, and the port state's laws will only be applied if the actions on the ship affect the safety or "good harmony" of the port.

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This is a joke, right? Why would related developments in the US lead to such a change, as opposed to the laws of other countries, most notably the Netherlands?

 

 

B Ecause it violates U. S. law but not the Ne therlands. Most law enforcement d oesn't concern tthemselves with acitivities that do no t viiolate their law. they have plenty of violations to deal with.

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I could say the same thing about prostitution, but it doesn't mean that HAL should offer it on their ships.

 

I like to see cruising as an uplifting experience, rather than exploring society's low points.

 

 

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Not absurd. It's a money-maker. And ships love to make money. Alcohol is prohibited in Muslim countries, yet ships call there. And you were the first to bring up the actual smoking issue, which at the end of the day, would be the major bone of contention on board.
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I could say the same thing about prostitution, but it doesn't mean that HAL should offer it on their ships.

 

I like to see cruising as an uplifting experience, rather than exploring society's low points.

 

 

igraf

 

Where does gambling fit in the ranking of activities? In terms of the affect on society as a whole. More toward the uplifting, or closer to the low points?

 

 

Did passenger ships that used US ports sell alcoholic drinks during Prohibition?

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There are 13 countries that, for religious reasons, ban alcohol consumption for their residents. Many of them do not have cruise ships calling at their ports. India, for example, does have ships calling, and they also ban alcohol, but only in certain areas, and only for residents. In many of the countries that ban alcohol, exceptions are made for tourism, and hotels are allowed to import it for their guests. Religious rules are strict, but for tourism and the money it generates, exceptions are made.

As far as pot on ships, as others have said, hundreds of other countries consider it illegal. If it became common knowledge that a particular cruise line permitted passengers to bring marijuana onboard, even medical marijuana, those countries would prohibit that cruise line from docking, or, at the very least, every passenger who got off the ship in port would be subject to intensive pat-down body searches. Even if the US finally removed marijuana from the scheduled drug list and legalized it, there would still be problems with the other countries who still consider it illegal. You can't compare marijuana against alcohol and tobacco. Marijuana is considered illegal, and is a civil law violation. Alcohol and tobacco are usually banned for religious reasons, but exceptions are made for tourism.

Finally, smoking of anything is gradually being banned from most cruise ships. Some lines, like HAL, only permit it in a small section of the starboard side of a single back deck, outdoors. As someone suggested, edibles would be the only way to go, but don't get caught !!

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Did passenger ships that used US ports sell alcoholic drinks during Prohibition?

 

Only in international waters. At least one author believes that prohibition led to the formation of today's cruise industry, as ships took to sailing to Bermuda, Bahamas, or Mexico, or simply sailing in circles (cruise to nowhere) in international waters.

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I could say the same thing about prostitution, but it doesn't mean that HAL should offer it on their ships.

 

I like to see cruising as an uplifting experience, rather than exploring society's low points.

 

 

igraf

Prostitution can be an "uplifting" experience.

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Under international law, there is some overlap of jurisdiction between the "flag state" (where the ship is registered) and the "port state" (where the ship is, in this case the US, not Alaska). General international maritime law says that the flag state's laws apply on the vessel, and the port state's laws will only be applied if the actions on the ship affect the safety or "good harmony" of the port.

 

It would need to be an international cruise in nature. Starting in Vancouver with stops in Humboldt, Acapulco, Oxaca, Panama, Columbia and Jamaica.

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Foreign flag ships opened their bars during Prohibition once they cleared the 12-mile limit. Hurt business on US vessels.

 

I could see HAL charging for a pot "tasting." There would be a cannabis consultant. Culinary arts could discuss spicing up your brownies. And lets not forget the munchies man. Of course none of these would come cheap.

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Foreign flag ships opened their bars during Prohibition once they cleared the 12-mile limit. Hurt business on US vessels.

 

I could see HAL charging for a pot "tasting." There would be a cannabis consultant. Culinary arts could discuss spicing up your brownies. And lets not forget the munchies man. Of course none of these would come cheap.

 

Again, unless you are Dutch, it would be illegal to sell to you on a HAL ship, if the coffee shop exemption could be expanded to a ship.

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Just the thought of that stench throughout the ship (and yes marijauana does permeate) gives me shivers.

 

Fortunately, I don't think it is about to happen.

 

 

And, if it does,there are lots of other options out there.

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Again, unless you are Dutch, it would be illegal to sell to you on a HAL ship, if the coffee shop exemption could be expanded to a ship.

 

I suppose the Netherlands could create a law pertaining specifically to sale on cruise ships, therefore being the law in play, per your comments about the flag of the vessel. But this is probably idle speculation, and I'm in over my head in this discussion!

 

Thank you for the information in your various posts.

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First off, marijuana is still illegal in Holland, even given the laws that turn a blind eye to the sale and use of "soft drugs". The only place where pot is legally sold is in "licensed" coffee houses. These businesses are only allowed to sell to Dutch citizens (except when physically in Amsterdam), and can be jailed for selling to tourists.

 

 

That's not entirely true. The "blind eye construction" is one strange aspect of our laws, having a law on one hand and an entirely differenty policy on the other. The "it's illegal but OK if you sell to Dutch citizens" policy was invented to prevent drug tourism, especially from France and Belgium. So in the southern regions, most coffeeshops won't sell to non-citizens, everywhere else most do. The biggest cities (Amsterdam, Rotterdam) have officially stated they won't enforce it.

 

Other policies include no advertising, not too much per customer, not too much per shop, no minors, not near schools. All meant to protect kids and neighbourhood. I don't think Holland would really care if HAL ships sold or allowed marijuana.

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Casino gambling has more to do with being very bad at math, unless one is smart enough to be the casino operator. :-)

 

Seriously, the cruise line that caters to families the most (Disney) has no casinos. That should answer your question.

 

igraf

 

 

 

Where does gambling fit in the ranking of activities? In terms of the affect on society as a whole. More toward the uplifting, or closer to the low points?

 

 

Did passenger ships that used US ports sell alcoholic drinks during Prohibition?

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What a laugh this thread is with all the talk of legalities. First and foremost is the almighty $ in what HAL would consider, closely followed by (and correlated with) the image HAL wants to project about their product. It won't be happening in my lifetime and I expect to be around for a while yet.

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What a laugh this thread is with all the talk of legalities. First and foremost is the almighty $ in what HAL would consider, closely followed by (and correlated with) the image HAL wants to project about their product. It won't be happening in my lifetime and I expect to be around for a while yet.

 

 

I wonder just how hard the bean counters at HAL would be laughing if the execs chose to ignore U.S. Federal law and ultimately became banned from bringing any of their ships into U .S. ports.? A s you say, it is all about the money. Which is worth more to HAL? the sale of maijuana on their ships or continuing to bring their ships to U.S. ports?

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It will be legal across all of Canada in July of this year, so that wouldn't be an issue. However, it won't happen unless/until federal law changes...and I don't see that happening within the near future.

Medicinal and Recreatrional Marijjuana use is legal in Massachusett s, howev er, Federal Law t rurmps state law and it remains against Federal law.

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