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54 minutes ago, garymfreedman said:

Virgin got a D----After all the work they've done...

I have problems with the way the organization graded the lines - one catagory was sewage treatment. The description was do they use state-of-the-art systems or do they only minimally treat the wastewater? No cruiseline got higher than a "C". I would expect that Virgin has the latest available technology, not some junk. So why a "C"? And failing grades in air and water pollution. Really? Same grades as other lines that DID pollute pristine waters. Not a fair comparison at all. I would tend to agree with Virgin's response. They are helping to lead the industry toward a cleaner future. The article made no mention of technology innovations, no single use plastics, etc. A very negative piece overall.

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13 hours ago, twodjs said:

I have problems with the way the organization graded the lines - one catagory was sewage treatment. The description was do they use state-of-the-art systems or do they only minimally treat the wastewater? No cruiseline got higher than a "C". I would expect that Virgin has the latest available technology, not some junk. So why a "C"? And failing grades in air and water pollution. Really? Same grades as other lines that DID pollute pristine waters. Not a fair comparison at all. I would tend to agree with Virgin's response. They are helping to lead the industry toward a cleaner future. The article made no mention of technology innovations, no single use plastics, etc. A very negative piece overall.

 

If you read the report you will see that.....

  • The ship does not have plug-in capability, earning it an F for air pollution reduction
  • It does have a scrubber installed earning Virgin an F for water quality compliance since scrubber use merely converts air pollution into toxic water pollution.
  • The Scarlet Lady has installed an advanced sewage treatment system, resulting in a grade of C for the company’s 60 percent sewage treatment score.
  • The ship's score was an F, but since Virgin received an A for Transparency - the cruise line's score was raised to a D.

The take away seems to be that in FOE's opinion, cruising is fundamentally terrible for the environment and Virgin is no better than other cruise lines.  It seems sometimes the best available technology (e.g. sewage treatment) is still far from perfect and earns no ship better than a C score.

 

Here's the report for Virgin

https://foe.org/cruise-lines/virgin-voyages/

 

You can compare it to Disney's report and see why they scored higher

https://foe.org/cruise-lines/disney-cruise-line/

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Thanks mnocket for providing more detail than I found on my search for report information. Very surprised that Virgin doesn't have plug-in ability when docked. Curious if using the low sulfur content fuel allows Disney to not have to utilize scrubbers before discharging the smoke from their stacks? I have a problem with FOE failing every ship that utilizes scrubbers without giving any credit to Virgin for also installing a catalytic system for reducing nitrogen oxide and particulates. And I still disagree with penalizing ships that have installed the best available sewage treatment systems. That approach guarantees that no ship can receive an "A" rating.

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13 hours ago, twodjs said:

That approach guarantees that no ship can receive an "A" rating.

 

If they were grading on a curve then you're right, the best ship(s) would get an A even if they performed poorly. 

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It looks like the nation, Florida and Miami-Dade are dropping in numbers nicely. Unless there is another flare up, I think they will sail in November.  There have been no google alerts on them cancelling more.
 
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On 9/30/2020 at 11:01 PM, garymfreedman said:

So....Trump says cruising after October31... He over rules the CDC..  Doesn't mean it's right, but that is the latest .

https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/09/trump-admin-overrules-cdc-director-on-extending-ban-on-cruises/

Not exactly. Here's a fuller explanation of the situation..... 

 

At the task force meeting, the CDC presented a recommendation that the No Sail Order be extended for 5 months.  Pence decided to reject that recommendation in favor of a 1 month extension followed by a month-to-month reassessment.  This does not mean that cruising will commence in November.  The No Sail Order may well be extended once again (as has been done repeatedly) depending on the conditions at that time.

 

Speculation:  I don't know the reason Pence favors a month-to-month approach rather than an outright 5 month extension, but I can make a pretty good guess.  If the No Sail Order was extended for 5 more months there would likely be severe ramifications for many cruise lines.  Ships might be shifted from warm lay up to cold lay up, layoffs may accelerate, some cruise lines may opt to reorganize under bankruptcy if all hope for becoming cash flow positive is delayed by another 5 months, etc.    Now it's true that a month-to-month approach may still stretch into next year, but it keeps alive the possibility for cruising to resume sooner if conditions allow.

 

Basically the CDC is saying that based on the best available data and opinions, including projections for vaccine availability and the forecasted course of the pandemic, it is not likely that conditions will allow for a resumption of cruising until Feb'21 at the earliest.  What the administration is saying is that given the ramifications of a 5 month delay, it's better to take things a month at a time.  I wouldn't pin too much hope on a November resumption of cruising in the US.  The administration's approach offer a glimmer of hope, but I'm afraid that's all it is.

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I have no doubt the decision to ignore the science and open up cruising just before election day is 100% politically motivated. Glad to see that Virgin is resisting the urge to open while the curves are up and the science says wait. We have moved our cruise to March, 2022 without any problem. 

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Virgin Voyages has selected DeCurtis Shield as a core component in its “Voyage Well” program, according to a press release, as part of a comprehensive set of mitigation steps and in line with the guidelines and mandates from industry and governmental agencies.

 

According to a press release, the “Voyage Well” Plan sets forth to increase crew and passenger safety in light of not just the COVID-19 pandemic, but also as a set of evolutions to increase the overall safety and health of the crew and guests moving forward.

 

DeCurtis Shield has been selected as a primary edge mitigation layer. Integrating the edge checkpoints into a holistic and robust infrastructure enables evolution as new threats surface. This approach is not only the correct thing to do tactically but also sets a strategic direction for Virgin, according to a statement. 

 

“Our goal, first and foremost, is to ensure the health and safety of our crew in order for us to create a safe environment for our guests,” said Andy Schwalb, CIO, Virgin Voyages. “Our experience with DeCurtis and their ability to deliver in critical areas with strategic solutions was the major determining factor.”

 

DeCurtis Shield focuses on improving indoor environments to quickly implement health screenings at any secure entry or exit point, the company said.  The result is a very fast and exceptionally accurate temperature reading. This technology is not just an answer to COVID-19, but a critical part of a mitigating strategy to lessen onboard outbreaks.

 

Shield kiosks are used at entry and exit points to seamlessly screen for elevated body temperature, integrate health questionnaires, as well as other screening actions like mask detection. The ability to be a foundational element; easily and quickly deployed as well as part of a larger, holistic safety, health and security infrastructure makes DeCurtis Shield a unique offering.

 

“It is rare in business to be able to help address a global problem,” said Derek Fournier, President and CEO, DeCurtis Corporation. “We are proud and excited to assist Virgin Voyages increase overall health, safety and security for their crew and guests. We know they see this area as critical for all lines as we collaborate to raise the bar on health, safety and security.”

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