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I think it's the current customers who will die and the new ones who will keep Cunard afloat.

 

Your assertion bears no financial support. However, as our stateroom spend is North of £30,000.00 every year with Cunard, plus onboard spend, grats and envelopes, then one thinks Cunard will need about 45 new ($1000.00) once a year high spending people, returning every year, to replace my Wife and me.

Been given to understand, that the Red Top to Silver take up is not that great.

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We have been following this thread from the beginning and have the same question a few others have raised namely- for those of you who have cancelled or are cancelling your Cunard voyages because of a language change to the dress code, which line(s) are you going to switch to that require a dark suit or sport jacket for men, every night in every venue? A quick sampling: Oceana-no, Regent-no, Azamara-no, Silversea-no, all river cruise lines-no. After 50 plus cruises on ships of all sizes and types, we will be "test driving" Cunard for the first time next year. One of the deciding factors was that I can & will wear some of the beautiful clothes I own which spend most of their time in my closet. We fully intend to comply with the dress code as written, but I don't imagine our voyage experience will be decided by what someone may wear in the pub or casino. So for those apparently giving up Cunard voyages (and cruising in general) it will be interesting where they find the always formal atmosphere they are looking for.

 

I am not quite sure I understand the statement. You can always wear what you want. You could wear a tuxedo each night at diner on Oceania, Regent, Azamara, Carnival, etc. I have not sailed them (yet) however I doubt anyone would stop you. For me, I would not give up cruising, just that the price on Cunard would have to be price competitive with other cruise lines

(all else being equal)

and they will not be able to charge ANY premium based on dress code.

 

Personally, having a cruise booked for July I hope not too many people wear bathing suits, baseball caps and sleeveless t-shirts to afternoon tea. Dressing like that for the dining rooms or Verandah for lunch wouldn't bother me that much but not tea.

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Your assertion bears no financial support. However, as our stateroom spend is North of £30,000.00 every year with Cunard, plus onboard spend, grats and envelopes, then one thinks Cunard will need about 45 new ($1000.00) once a year high spending people, returning every year, to replace my Wife and me.

 

Been given to understand, that the Red Top to Silver take up is not that great.

 

 

 

I think the proof lies in the luxury lines that are a step or two above Cunard. Carnival owns one and has first hand knowledge of that space and it’s demographic. Wealthy people as a whole travel more casually these days than they ever have. Seabourn embraced this with a generally casual dress code. If they required tuxedos every other night those ships would sail at significantly reduce capacity. Every single one of those passengers spends what you spend per cruise on Cunard and some significantly more. Look at the others- Silversea, Regent, all the same when it comes to dress.

 

Someone had said it before- Carnival Corp is like General Motors. They have many different brands for different buyers but in the end they usually get your money. Cunard can easily fill Grills berths with already loyal Seabourn folk who will respond to a changed dress code and frankly spend more money. Is it a fluke that while this is happening the Grill suites now receive free booze to mimic Seabourn’s model? Not likely.

 

The two things I’ve noticed throughout this thread is that there’s such a narrow focus that people don’t realize how much more casual the world is today in business and travel and the die hards take it so personally. Cunard isn’t doing this to upset you- they’re making changes and responding to market conditions so they can continue to be successful. As a traveler I’m a little disappointed but as a shareholder I’m quite pleased.

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Your assertion bears no financial support. However, as our stateroom spend is North of £30,000.00 every year with Cunard, plus onboard spend, grats and envelopes, then one thinks Cunard will need about 45 new ($1000.00) once a year high spending people, returning every year, to replace my Wife and me.

Been given to understand, that the Red Top to Silver take up is not that great.

There are already more than 45 once a year passengers for every Cunard £30,000/year passenger, and I suspect as many new passengers annually.

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I think the proof lies in the luxury lines that are a step or two above Cunard. Carnival owns one and has first hand knowledge of that space and it’s demographic. Wealthy people as a whole travel more casually these days than they ever have. Seabourn embraced this with a generally casual dress code. If they required tuxedos every other night those ships would sail at significantly reduce capacity. Every single one of those passengers spends what you spend per cruise on Cunard and some significantly more. Look at the others- Silversea, Regent, all the same when it comes to dress.

 

Someone had said it before- Carnival Corp is like General Motors. They have many different brands for different buyers but in the end they usually get your money. Cunard can easily fill Grills berths with already loyal Seabourn folk who will respond to a changed dress code and frankly spend more money. Is it a fluke that while this is happening the Grill suites now receive free booze to mimic Seabourn’s model? Not likely.

 

The two things I’ve noticed throughout this thread is that there’s such a narrow focus that people don’t realize how much more casual the world is today in business and travel and the die hards take it so personally. Cunard isn’t doing this to upset you- they’re making changes and responding to market conditions so they can continue to be successful. As a traveler I’m a little disappointed but as a shareholder I’m quite pleased.

 

 

I have a question. I don't have the experience to make a comparison. Why would a Seabourn customer travel on Cunard even with a change of dress code? Except for the change of dress code, is the experience identical? The Seabourn ships seem to have much less capacity.

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I have a question. I don't have the experience to make a comparison. Why would a Seabourn customer travel on Cunard even with a change of dress code? Except for the change of dress code, is the experience identical? The Seabourn ships seem to have much less capacity.

 

 

 

The differentiator between the two is obviously the size of ship. But from a product standpoint a Queens Grill passenger and Seabourn passenger would find things very much similar from quality of food, service, and accommodations.

 

And it’s not a coincidence- Cunard used to run Seabourn and the Grills product we see today was developed under the same management that ran Seabourn.

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Your assertion bears no financial support. However, as our stateroom spend is North of £30,000.00 every year with Cunard, plus onboard spend, grats and envelopes, then one thinks Cunard will need about 45 new ($1000.00) once a year high spending people, returning every year, to replace my Wife and me.

Been given to understand, that the Red Top to Silver take up is not that great.

And why do you make the assumption that the people who will be replacing won't also be spending £30000+ every year on their cruise. For every person who throws their toys out the pram and cancels their booking there will be another person willing to book, now that they don’t have to dress up so formally on board.

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I so agree with all who assert that Cunard is a BUSINESS and they would NOT be making changes unless their market research indicates that the changes are necessary for the business to prosper. Face it, those of us who are 60 or 70+ years old will not be around forever! And I do realize that there are younger folk who like to dress formally, but I think they are in the minority. To me, Cunard is so much more than the dress code.

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I so agree with all who assert that Cunard is a BUSINESS and they would NOT be making changes unless their market research indicates that the changes are necessary for the business to prosper. Face it, those of us who are 60 or 70+ years old will not be around forever! And I do realize that there are younger folk who like to dress formally, but I think they are in the minority. To me, Cunard is so much more than the dress code.
I agree. But surely the point is that Cunard is in the minority as a formal line. It is the only line that can continue to attract that minority that still want to dress up. We are in our 50's and love dressing up. I would like to think Cunard would be getting another 20 years out of us. Also my son (who is 30) recently (before the change) booked his first cruise. They could get 50 plus years of bookings from him. I am certain there are enough people in the minority who want to keep dressing up, to keep filling Cunard ships for many years to come if they kept the formal dress codes.

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I agree. But surely the point is that Cunard is in the minority as a formal line. It is the only line that can continue to attract that minority that still want to dress up. We are in our 50's and love dressing up. I would like to think Cunard would be getting another 20 years out of us. Also my son (who is 30) recently (before the change) booked his first cruise. They could get 50 plus years of bookings from him. I am certain there are enough people in the minority who want to keep dressing up, to keep filling Cunard ships for many years to come if they kept the formal dress codes.

 

 

I think they are making a marketing mistake. Many large companies completely screw up. I have yet to hear a clear explanation of why people would cruise on Cunard instead of another line once the dress code changes. If you travel Britannia there are other lines that would provide the same experience at lower rates. If you travel Grills there are other luxury lines where the WHOLE ship is a luxury class.

 

There is a building in Manhattan that I still happen call the Pan Am building because that is what it was called when I was young.

 

We will have to see.

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I think they are making a marketing mistake. Many large companies completely screw up. I have yet to hear a clear explanation of why people would cruise on Cunard instead of another line once the dress code changes. If you travel Britannia there are other lines that would provide the same experience at lower rates. If you travel Grills there are other luxury lines where the WHOLE ship is a luxury class.

 

 

 

There is a building in Manhattan that I still happen call the Pan Am building because that is what it was called when I was young.

 

 

 

We will have to see.

 

 

 

Regular transatlantic crossings on a purpose built ship for one. Extensive long voyages and world cruises for another. They don’t want Cunard to be radically different.

 

Britannia has always been in the same class as Celebrity/HAL and the Grills have always been about par with a Seabourn/Regent/Silversea. The unique part was that they are on one ship.

 

Cunard was sort of done for me when Caronia and then QE2 withdrawn. They were traditional ships that today’s just can’t match. The QM2 is unique and I enjoy her on a transatlantic trip every once and a while. The Elizabeth and Victoria are just tarted up Caribbean cruise ships in my opinion masquerading as transatlantic ocean liners.

 

So I don’t think it’s the dress code so much as Cunard used to operate authentic tonnage that they don’t anymore. You would feel out of place on QE2 without a tux- she had a sense of occasion about her. What we are left with today is this odd game of make believe on modern cruise ships. Cunard needs to evolve and it looks like they’re taking the steps they need to.

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Some have indicated that they think that Cunard is behind the times and needs to change to meet the norms of today. There is an interview on Youtube where

talks about why Carnival bought Cunard and why they built the Queen Mary 2. It adds perspective to why Cunard is (or was) what it is. It seems that the current management is not of a similar thought to Mister Arison regarding satisfying passengers nastalgia for the grandeur of the ocean liners of the past. Formal dress is certainly a part of this (and no, I don't mean steerage).

 

I worry that the dress code may only be the beginning of changes. Very few ships today have real, large, dedicated ballrooms for dancing like those on Cunard. Even though it is very popular with current passengers, will it survive long term or will it be scaled down like the QM2 casino to pack in even more revenue generating rooms for todays casual life style.

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There are already more than 45 once a year passengers for every Cunard £30,000/year passenger, and I suspect as many new passengers annually.

 

And to which cruise line with a sore suitable dress code will you take your 30K GBP per year?

 

And not every one else spends only 1K GBP. Some, like myself, travel only in QG and will continue to do so. But the points they have a lot of berths to fill, especially with a new ship coming, and they have concluded it will be easier to do that with a more relaxed dress code.

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It should be the staff who police dress code, I'm not on vacation to tell others what to do.

 

Every set of boarding documents should stress how important the elegant ambience is to all the people who cruise with Cunard and that dress code will be enforsed

 

However it goes back to young marketing departments who are out of touch with the basic economic fact that Our generation, 60+ are the ones with the disposable income. Instead they design policies based on what their generation want. The fault lies with the board of Cunard, who must fight for their brand and it's USP, the reason people pay more. If it becomes a mass cruise ship, it will hit bottom line in the end, can't management understand this

 

You are right - the marketing hipsters are putting forth policies they like. I am way below 60 though! But, I feel like they are making a mistake and I answered the poll on the other thread as such:

 

"I answered I will never sail again, though I did not say that on the other thread. I was ready to give it a chance until my husband showed me the new pics of what Cunard considers "Smart" and "Gala". No.





I don't sail Cunard to go on a "cruise" and I don't sail the QM2 as transport. I sail them to step back in time. If that is gone, I am gone. I just want to be on the ship. If I happen to like the itinerary, all the better. The ambience and dress code were a huge part of the ship. Anyway I guess Cunard does not mind losing us. My Grills cabin to Alaska next year was a small fortune but I was completely okay with the hard work it takes to afford Cunard. Since we are still fairly young, we both still work, and heck most of the reason I work is just to go on vacation. Since my voyage is next summer I don't have to do anything yet, but if this is the future, Alaska is being cancelled, and I will just use my OBC and my future cruise which I was using for that voyage, to take a short hop on July 4th instead, and thereafter end my dalliance with Cunard. It just won't be worth it to me anymore. It's too bad, since we probably would have had another 3 decades of sailing. When I visited the original Queen Mary a few years back, the saddest thing for me was the loss of the ambience which must have made her spectacular in her day."

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I’m also interested to know which Cunard cruise you havebeen on which includes free alcoholic drinks in the fare? On board creditperhaps, but that is something different.

 

My Grills fare includes drinks

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You are right - the marketing hipsters are putting forth policies they like. I am way below 60 though! But, I feel like they are making a mistake and I answered the poll on the other thread as such:

 

"I answered I will never sail again, though I did not say that on the other thread. I was ready to give it a chance until my husband showed me the new pics of what Cunard considers "Smart" and "Gala". No.





I don't sail Cunard to go on a "cruise" and I don't sail the QM2 as transport. I sail them to step back in time. If that is gone, I am gone. I just want to be on the ship. If I happen to like the itinerary, all the better. The ambience and dress code were a huge part of the ship. Anyway I guess Cunard does not mind losing us. My Grills cabin to Alaska next year was a small fortune but I was completely okay with the hard work it takes to afford Cunard. Since we are still fairly young, we both still work, and heck most of the reason I work is just to go on vacation. Since my voyage is next summer I don't have to do anything yet, but if this is the future, Alaska is being cancelled, and I will just use my OBC and my future cruise which I was using for that voyage, to take a short hop on July 4th instead, and thereafter end my dalliance with Cunard. It just won't be worth it to me anymore. It's too bad, since we probably would have had another 3 decades of sailing. When I visited the original Queen Mary a few years back, the saddest thing for me was the loss of the ambience which must have made her spectacular in her day."

That's a shame, which of the pictures changed your mind ?

I wouldn't wear most of them but I didn't find them that offensive, the Ladies Gala dresses were lovely.

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You are right - the marketing hipsters are putting forth policies they like. I am way below 60 though! But, I feel like they are making a mistake and I answered the poll on the other thread as such:

 

 

"I answered I will never sail again, though I did not say that on the other thread. I was ready to give it a chance until my husband showed me the new pics of what Cunard considers "Smart" and "Gala". No.



 

I don't sail Cunard to go on a "cruise" and I don't sail the QM2 as transport. I sail them to step back in time. If that is gone, I am gone. I just want to be on the ship. If I happen to like the itinerary, all the better. The ambience and dress code were a huge part of the ship. Anyway I guess Cunard does not mind losing us. My Grills cabin to Alaska next year was a small fortune but I was completely okay with the hard work it takes to afford Cunard. Since we are still fairly young, we both still work, and heck most of the reason I work is just to go on vacation. Since my voyage is next summer I don't have to do anything yet, but if this is the future, Alaska is being cancelled, and I will just use my OBC and my future cruise which I was using for that voyage, to take a short hop on July 4th instead, and thereafter end my dalliance with Cunard. It just won't be worth it to me anymore. It's too bad, since we probably would have had another 3 decades of sailing. When I visited the original Queen Mary a few years back, the saddest thing for me was the loss of the ambience which must have made her spectacular in her day."

 

 

Well said. Sadly the vandals are at the gate and we have no defense other than to flee.

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I am not quite sure I understand the statement. You can always wear what you want. You could wear a tuxedo each night at diner on Oceania, Regent, Azamara, Carnival, etc. I have not sailed them (yet) however I doubt anyone would stop you. For me, I would not give up cruising, just that the price on Cunard would have to be price competitive with other cruise lines

(all else being equal)

and they will not be able to charge ANY premium based on dress code.

 

 

 

Personally, having a cruise booked for July I hope not too many people wear bathing suits, baseball caps and sleeveless t-shirts to afternoon tea. Dressing like that for the dining rooms or Verandah for lunch wouldn't bother me that much but not tea.

 

 

 

Not sure what you don’t understand. If you walked into the Azamara or Avalon dining room in a tux, you certainly would feel a bit out of place. That being said, we have never seen anyone dressed sloppily (unlike on HAL) and found their dress code was universally adhered to. Many (including me) chose to wear a jacket on several evenings. On Cunard, I look forward to wearing attire that would be somewhat out of place on most ships. By the way, the per diem on Cunard is generally less than equivalent on the lines I mentioned.

 

 

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I'm one of the "new class of Cunard cruiser" - this will be my first cruise on any ship. I have purchased the cheapest stateroom for my first TA crossing in August, so, yes, I'll be traveling in "steerage".

 

Having said that, I don't believe the travel class you select is indicative of your level of class, or an indicator of how you will dress.

 

I chose "steerage" because I'm not a lady of leisure - I work hard for my money; I have a son who is about to go off to college, and college isn't cheap here in the US.

 

I'm saving for retirement, so Queens Grill accommodation isn't in my budget at the moment.

 

I suppose I could have waited until I retired to be able to afford Queens Grill, but our future is not guaranteed - I had a colleague drop dead of a heart attack last week at the age of 58; I'm going to get this item checked off my bucket list while I'm still healthy, and can enjoy the leisure time.

 

Look for me in the evening gown on "gala" nights, and dressed appropriately for the remainder of the cruise. You'll also be able to pick me out from the crowd, because I won't have my nose in the air, thinking that traveling in "steerage" is beneath me.

 

Our 1st 6 or 7 voyages were Britannia then Cunard upgraded us to PG. We liked so much that we booked Grills - either one or the other from there on out. But we also just keep to ourselves for the most part and like to sit alone just the 2 of us. We both work and for us it is just our 7-15 day "date". I wear ball gowns every formal night, and cocktail dresses every other night. I bring lots of shoes and bags. That is perhaps why I need a larger cabin :confused::oBut I wear cocktail dresses on Disney too at night and you cannot get much more casual than that. That said - I have loved Cunard so much since I discovered the line on the Queen Mary 2's inaugural year. But I sail it for the ambience and if it is downgraded I will just travel another way.

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That's a shame, which of the pictures changed your mind ?

I wouldn't wear most of them but I didn't find them that offensive, the Ladies Gala dresses were lovely.

 

I just thought the use of millennial looking hipsters - millennial guys who look like they normally wear skinny jeans with their week-old razor stubble wearing skinny suits or T Shirts with a "blazer" covering them; women wearing "smart" outfits that look like they are going to work at a law office instead of traditional Cunard formal evening. That is just not what my experience has been on Cunard in the past. The "gala" pantsuits & cocktail dresses used to be what I saw on informal nights. That is indeed a major change. The shorts and sneakers I can see anywhere. Cunard was one of the last bastions of formality. I really enjoyed every minute of it, including the ambience created by the formality. As I said previously, I was paying to step back in time for a bit, and if they don't offer that feel anymore, I will skip it. The pictures on their page are portraying something much different than what I have seen in the past.

 

But the pictures were in my mind also a change in the perception of to WHOM they are marketing rather than WHAT they are marketing. And if you change to whom you are marketing, then eventually you also change what you are marketing. How long before the lectures, the gentleman hosts, the tea dances - are few and far between or relegated to WC only. The marketing department is changing the target or I don't think they would have put up all the models with the outfits. I firmly believe this is a departure from the previous formality - though somewhat of a stealth one. I think it is changing and I will always be grateful we had the QM2 just as she was for the time we had her. I have no desire to sail Cunard-Lite.

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IMO a large number of people are assuming there will be people who will be happy to sail Cunard with a relaxed dress code than they would have been under the old code.

 

Can someone explain to me why they would want to spend more on a Cunard cruise when they can continue to cruise on cheaper lines offering the same experience? It just doesn't make economic sense.

 

Don't say it is for the ambiance of Cunard because that will no longer be unique, as it will just be like every other line. I accept that TA's might be an exception, (for the time being).

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It's the "Holland America Principle" at work, this time with Cunard... everything they portray, everything they change all says to their regular, established clientele "It would be ever so nice if you weren't here". Every company aspires to ageless Millennial hipsters it appears and anyone over the age of 60 is invisible in the self delusional company PR take on itself.

 

The irony is Millennial Hipsters still don't take Holland America or Cunard. Indeed, I work in an office where 75% of the folks are Millennial Hipsters and 30-somethings. And not one.. not a one (to my knowledge) has taken a cruise. Or even considered one. And I am the travel manager.

 

So if all this is designed to attract them, it's... delusional at worst, aspirational at best.

 

But I don't want to let Cunard down come this August on QE. I can still wear a trim fit suit and will have to work on that 7-day stubble. It's more salt than salt and pepper but hey...

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The enforcement question

Received a "Reaching Out" (his words) call from a guy with an American accent.

Blahdy Bladhy Blah - Training - Blah Blah

Yes or no?

More verbage

Please answer my question with a yes or a no?

Waffle Waffle

Please answer the question I asked with a yes or a no in writing

Waffle - then asking why in writing

Because I will post on Social Media Patforms, and if a yes, will take the actual reply on the ship to use as an enforcement tool.

More waffle with a get back to you

 

 

Seems a simple yes or a simple no is causing Cunard and or Carnival problems.

One wonders why.

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The enforcement question

Received a "Reaching Out" (his words) call from a guy with an American accent.

Blahdy Bladhy Blah - Training - Blah Blah

Yes or no?

More verbage

Please answer my question with a yes or a no?

Waffle Waffle

Please answer the question I asked with a yes or a no in writing

Waffle - then asking why in writing

Because I will post on Social Media Patforms, and if a yes, will take the actual reply on the ship to use as an enforcement tool.

More waffle with a get back to you

 

 

Seems a simple yes or a simple no is causing Cunard and or Carnival problems.

One wonders why.

 

My guess is that the answer to will they enforce is no, but they won't admit to it. I would hope that the guy you spoke to is smart enough to figure out that someone asking for verification of enforcement is one who wants to see the rules enforced. If so, he didn't want to lie to you and he didn't want to tell you the sad truth.

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And to which cruise line with a sore suitable dress code will you take your 30K GBP per year?

The point is you can go away if you wish and Cunard will survive without you. If there us no other line that's formal enough for you, maybe the problem isn't all the cruise lines.

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Can someone explain to me why they would want to spend more on a Cunard cruise when they can continue to cruise on cheaper lines offering the same experience? It just doesn't make economic sense.

 

Don't say it is for the ambiance of Cunard because that will no longer be unique, as it will just be like every other line. I accept that TA's might be an exception, (for the time being).

Despite my post above, that's where I am now. If I don't see a good reason to pay extra to travel on Cunard vs. Princess or HAL (and there are reasons aside from dress code, IMO) I'll spend my cruise $ on Princess or HAL (etc) rather than chasing down one of 3 or 4 Cunard ships somewhere in the world.

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The point is you can go away if you wish and Cunard will survive without you. If there us no other line that's formal enough for you, maybe the problem isn't all the cruise lines.

+1

Some of the posters threatening to leave are overestimating their importance to a laughable degree.

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I have never sailed on Cunard but I have booked a T/A in Oct. for 2019. I went to my documents to see what the dress code is. It's still showing the same dress code that was showing in Oct. So my question is, what is the new dress code and where can I find it. I'm a bit confused now on the dress code. Thanks for any info you can offer.

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I have never sailed on Cunard but I have booked a T/A in Oct. for 2019. I went to my documents to see what the dress code is. It's still showing the same dress code that was showing in Oct. So my question is, what is the new dress code and where can I find it. I'm a bit confused now on the dress code. Thanks for any info you can offer.

Cunard have very carelessly spread a lot of confusion and angst by changing the wording of the dress code in an ambiguous way and by extending the areas of the ship in which casual dress is acceptable as an alternative to the evening's dress code.

 

The formal and informal dress code haven't really changed as far as I can see, just the way they're described, so if you were planning to dress up then stick to what's in your documentation and you can't go wrong.

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I have never sailed on Cunard but I have booked a T/A in Oct. for 2019. I went to my documents to see what the dress code is. It's still showing the same dress code that was showing in Oct. So my question is, what is the new dress code and where can I find it. I'm a bit confused now on the dress code. Thanks for any info you can offer.

 

The dress code can be found several places, each with somewhat different wording. Within your voyage personliser, the dress code can be found under "Dining", "What to Wear" and also under "Preparing to Go", "Packing for Your Holiday".

 

On the main Cunard web site itself, information about the dress code can be found here under "The Cunard Experience", "What to Pack".

 

http://www.cunard.com/life-on-board/what-to-pack/

 

The dress code is also explained in at least three different places on the Cunard UK FAQ for these questions.

 

Is there a dress code on board?

What will the dress code be whilst I am on board?

Does the dress code apply to all areas of the ship?

 

But since it looks like you are in the US, you don't have access to the Cunard UK FAQ site without resulting to tricks to make it look like you reside in the UK. Most of this has been posted here before, but since you asked and you probably don't have access to it, here is the full answer to the question "Is there a dress code on board?" from the Cunard UK FAQ which contains some details not readily available in the US.

 

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Q. Is there a dress code on board?

 

During the day, feel free to relax and dress as you please in all areas of the ship. Then as the sun goes down, the style goes up. Every night on board, we ask that you wear smart attire in most of our bars, restaurants and entertainment venues. On our much-anticipated Gala evenings, we invite you to dress to impress and celebrate with us. There are two or three of these special Gala evenings for every seven days of your voyage.

 

Of course, if you prefer to spend your evenings in more relaxed attire, a selection of casual dining and entertainment venues is always available for your enjoyment.

 

A full break down of dress codes, the number of Gala nights and any themed balls can be viewed via the following question with the suggested attire for each type of evening: What will the dress code be whilst I am on board?

 

During the day

 

Casual shirts, shorts, trousers and beachwear are ideal. The main restaurants require a casual wear dress code for breakfast and lunch, however you may wear shorts in either the Kings Court (Queen Mary 2) or Lido Restaurant (Queen Victoria & Queen Elizabeth).

 

Evenings

 

Evenings will be split into 2 different dress codes. You will be notified of the evening's dress code in your Daily Programme. As a guide, these will be:

 

Gala:

On Gala nights it’s dinner jacket, tuxedo, or dark suit for the men with a regular tie or bow tie. Evening or cocktail dress, smart trouser suit, or formal separates for the ladies please.

 

Smart Attire:

Gentlemen, every night we request you wear smart trousers with a shirt and jacket; tie is optional. Ladies, blouses and skirts or stylish trousers and dresses are welcome.

 

For those who want some further help and guidance, or wish to view some examples of evening and day wear, please visit our What To Pack page on our website.

 

Please note that after 6:00pm, shorts and blue or worn denim (for men and women); sandals and sleeveless tops (for men) are not considered appropriate within the ship.

 

Of course, if you prefer to spend your evenings in more relaxed attire, a selection of casual dining and entertainment venues is always available for your enjoyment. Feel free to dress casually as you visit any of the following venues: Kings Court, Lido Buffet, Golden Lion, Casino, Carinthia Lounge, Winter Garden, Garden Lounge, Yacht Club, and G32. Non-ripped, jeans are appropriate, but please refrain from wearing shorts, sports attire, swim wear or sleeveless t-shirts outside of the gym, spa and deck spaces.

 

Children

Children under 18 do not have a dress code but should adhere to the daily dress code where possible.

 

National/Religious dress

National and Religious dress including headdress' are allowed on board. Depending on the amount of the face covered by the headdress, guests may be asked to unveil for a security photo at check in and passing through security check points ashore and on board during the voyage.

 

Some items of national dress such as ceremonial blades or swords are not permitted and guests should check our list of prohibited items under the question What am I not allowed to take on board?

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I think they are making a marketing mistake. Many large companies completely screw up. I have yet to hear a clear explanation of why people would cruise on Cunard instead of another line once the dress code changes. If you travel Britannia there are other lines that would provide the same experience at lower rates. If you travel Grills there are other luxury lines where the WHOLE ship is a luxury class.

 

There is a building in Manhattan that I still happen call the Pan Am building because that is what it was called when I was young.

 

We will have to see.

 

Anyone remember "New Coke"? So much for the brilliance of marketing departments

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What does this little bit of ambiguity mean?? " DURING THE DAY --Casual shirts, shorts, trousers and beachwear are ideal. The main restaurants require a casual wear dress code for breakfast and lunch, however you may wear shorts in either the Kings Court (Queen Mary 2) or Lido Restaurant (Queen Victoria & Queen Elizabeth). '

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What does this little bit of ambiguity mean?? " DURING THE DAY --Casual shirts, shorts, trousers and beachwear are ideal. The main restaurants require a casual wear dress code for breakfast and lunch, however you may wear shorts in either the Kings Court (Queen Mary 2) or Lido Restaurant (Queen Victoria & Queen Elizabeth). '

 

 

 

You can wear Bermuda or walking shorts into the dining rooms for breakfast or lunch but not a bathing suit or cover up. Basically what you would wear to golf in would work. After 6pm the evenings dress code kicks in.

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What does this little bit of ambiguity mean?? " DURING THE DAY --Casual shirts, shorts, trousers and beachwear are ideal. The main restaurants require a casual wear dress code for breakfast and lunch, however you may wear shorts in either the Kings Court (Queen Mary 2) or Lido Restaurant (Queen Victoria & Queen Elizabeth). '

 

Just to be clear about it, that 'little bit of ambiguity' is not new. That's a holdover from the previous dress code and has caused confusion in the past. I wish Cunard would either remove or revise that statement since it certainly gives the impression that shorts are not allowed in the main dining rooms for breakfast and lunch.

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Some of the posters threatening to leave are overestimating their importance to a laughable degree.

 

Not even in the least. I just know how hard I work, how much the voyage costs for the accommodation level I book, and what I am looking for on Cunard - and what I had found aboard in the past. The reason I would cancel my voyage in favor of other vacations is precisely because I know how important my one reservation is to them - that is to say, not at all. This is a place to discuss the changes and everyone is doing that.

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Cunard have very carelessly spread a lot of confusion and angst by changing the wording of the dress code in an ambiguous way and by extending the areas of the ship in which casual dress is acceptable as an alternative to the evening's dress code.

 

The formal and informal dress code haven't really changed as far as I can see, just the way they're described, so if you were planning to dress up then stick to what's in your documentation and you can't go wrong.

 

Thank you for the reply.

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The dress code can be found several places, each with somewhat different wording. Within your voyage personliser, the dress code can be found under "Dining", "What to Wear" and also under "Preparing to Go", "Packing for Your Holiday".

 

On the main Cunard web site itself, information about the dress code can be found here under "The Cunard Experience", "What to Pack".

 

http://www.cunard.com/life-on-board/what-to-pack/

 

The dress code is also explained in at least three different places on the Cunard UK FAQ for these questions.

 

Is there a dress code on board?

What will the dress code be whilst I am on board?

Does the dress code apply to all areas of the ship?

 

But since it looks like you are in the US, you don't have access to the Cunard UK FAQ site without resulting to tricks to make it look like you reside in the UK. Most of this has been posted here before, but since you asked and you probably don't have access to it, here is the full answer to the question "Is there a dress code on board?" from the Cunard UK FAQ which contains some details not readily available in the US.

 

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Q. Is there a dress code on board?

 

During the day, feel free to relax and dress as you please in all areas of the ship. Then as the sun goes down, the style goes up. Every night on board, we ask that you wear smart attire in most of our bars, restaurants and entertainment venues. On our much-anticipated Gala evenings, we invite you to dress to impress and celebrate with us. There are two or three of these special Gala evenings for every seven days of your voyage.

 

Of course, if you prefer to spend your evenings in more relaxed attire, a selection of casual dining and entertainment venues is always available for your enjoyment.

 

A full break down of dress codes, the number of Gala nights and any themed balls can be viewed via the following question with the suggested attire for each type of evening: What will the dress code be whilst I am on board?

 

During the day

 

Casual shirts, shorts, trousers and beachwear are ideal. The main restaurants require a casual wear dress code for breakfast and lunch, however you may wear shorts in either the Kings Court (Queen Mary 2) or Lido Restaurant (Queen Victoria & Queen Elizabeth).

 

Evenings

 

Evenings will be split into 2 different dress codes. You will be notified of the evening's dress code in your Daily Programme. As a guide, these will be:

 

Gala:

On Gala nights it’s dinner jacket, tuxedo, or dark suit for the men with a regular tie or bow tie. Evening or cocktail dress, smart trouser suit, or formal separates for the ladies please.

 

Smart Attire:

Gentlemen, every night we request you wear smart trousers with a shirt and jacket; tie is optional. Ladies, blouses and skirts or stylish trousers and dresses are welcome.

 

For those who want some further help and guidance, or wish to view some examples of evening and day wear, please visit our What To Pack page on our website.

 

Please note that after 6:00pm, shorts and blue or worn denim (for men and women); sandals and sleeveless tops (for men) are not considered appropriate within the ship.

 

Of course, if you prefer to spend your evenings in more relaxed attire, a selection of casual dining and entertainment venues is always available for your enjoyment. Feel free to dress casually as you visit any of the following venues: Kings Court, Lido Buffet, Golden Lion, Casino, Carinthia Lounge, Winter Garden, Garden Lounge, Yacht Club, and G32. Non-ripped, jeans are appropriate, but please refrain from wearing shorts, sports attire, swim wear or sleeveless t-shirts outside of the gym, spa and deck spaces.

 

Children

Children under 18 do not have a dress code but should adhere to the daily dress code where possible.

 

National/Religious dress

National and Religious dress including headdress' are allowed on board. Depending on the amount of the face covered by the headdress, guests may be asked to unveil for a security photo at check in and passing through security check points ashore and on board during the voyage.

 

Some items of national dress such as ceremonial blades or swords are not permitted and guests should check our list of prohibited items under the question What am I not allowed to take on board?

 

Thank You John for the reply. I have seen a lot of this in my research. I have been reading so much about the change in the dress code, it got a bit confusing. Of course formal to an American can be quite different than formal to a Brit. I will do my best to be appropriate.

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The point is you can go away if you wish and Cunard will survive without you. If there us no other line that's formal enough for you, maybe the problem isn't all the cruise lines.

 

One's focus is that of enforcement. No enforcement by Cunard equates to the slippery slope down to Carnival Dress Code standard.

This is why one is challenging Cunard's wording, to ensure their intentions are made transparent.

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The only difference in the suggested attire to that which I have seen on board is that a jumper and jacket are now considered "smart".

As to people being unsuitably attired in the theatre, this is probably due to being allowed into the theatre before the crew members enforcing the dress code do not turn up until 10 minutes before the show starts,at times.

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Just to be clear about it, that 'little bit of ambiguity' is not new. That's a holdover from the previous dress code and has caused confusion in the past. I wish Cunard would either remove or revise that statement since it certainly gives the impression that shorts are not allowed in the main dining rooms for breakfast and lunch.

 

I would not hold your Breath, as regular passengers know that tailored shorts have been allowed in The Britannia Restaurant for Breakfast and Lunch for ages.

 

I do not think that the change of wording Gala Evening (Formal) and Smart Attire Jacket Requested (Informal Jacket Required) will make any difference, except to new potential customers. Ties got withdrawn from the informal dress code years ago, yet you still see them worn by many passengers.

 

To me this thread is hilarious, with posters threatening to Call the "Clothes Police" whilst on board. I personally am far to busy enjoying myself on board.

 

At some stage in our lives we will sadly not be able or alive to travel Cunard.

Cunard as a business has to gain new customers, not only for its shareholders but to survive as a business, so those posters threatening to boycott them will not make any difference to Carnival.

 

The World and Dress is changing fact !

 

Just Chill everyone and relax . After all its 6pm when the dress code kicks in, by the time you take Dinner into account (Chatting and interacting with your table mates) and have visited the Theatre, once the lights have dimmed I cannot see any reason why anyone would bother to notice anyone else's clothing, too busy enjoying the acts. Then its nearly time for Bed, Perhaps a drink in the Chart room, most people have removed jackets or untied their Bow tie by then anyway due to the heat, Then to G32 or Yacht Club when then there is no need for the dress code. Those in the Ball room dancing will obviously be dressed for that occasion anyway.

 

Twisted knickers come to mind.

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