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I was surprised that they didn't make the K'dam casino smoke-free. It was a brand-new (clean!) ship, a perfect time to make that decision.

 

It is surprising HAL isn't making the casinos on their new ships smoke-free.

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On Eurodam now and had to come on here and search for smoking to see if they changed policy. Have walked all over the ship and have not smelled even one whiff of smoke anywhere. Maybe we are just blessed with a cruise with very few smokers!

 

 

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On Eurodam now and had to come on here and search for smoking to see if they changed policy. Have walked all over the ship and have not smelled even one whiff of smoke anywhere. Maybe we are just blessed with a cruise with very few smokers!

 

 

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Have you been to Deck 9 aft near the Sea View Pool / Bar yet? I believe this is the designated smoking area on Eurodam.

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Have you been to Deck 9 aft near the Sea View Pool / Bar yet? I believe this is the designated smoking area on Eurodam.

 

 

 

Yes... we have been out there a couple of times. Must have just been the times that there were no smokers!

 

 

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Yes... we have been out there a couple of times. Must have just been the times that there were no smokers!

 

 

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Sounds like you've been quite lucky!

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My feelings on this one is the board of Holland couldn't care less about making the ship healthier for all on the cruise. I was under the impression that there are areas hosting smokers and also areas hosting non smokers. It kills me that I have paid so much to be miserable.

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Cool Cruiser I totally hear what you are saying. I did a live chat with HAL the other day to be told there will be smoking in the casino of the Nieuw Statendam. Confirms to me that input on questionnaires and HAL threads really doesn't go anywhere. This is a brand new ship and they could of had a no smoking policy in the casino of Nieuw Statendam.

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I'm surpirised and sorry HAL will permit casino smoking on the newest ship.

 

Like all things on the ships, they likely expect l lower casino revenue if they ban r all smoking I'm sure they have the 'numbers to back it up but I think i it a big mistake. How many will avoid the casino because of smoking vs ho w many would avoid it becuse they cannot smoke?

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Cool Cruiser I totally hear what you are saying. I did a live chat with HAL the other day to be told there will be smoking in the casino of the Nieuw Statendam. Confirms to me that input on questionnaires and HAL threads really doesn't go anywhere. This is a brand new ship and they could of had a no smoking policy in the casino of Nieuw Statendam.

 

I'm surpirised and sorry HAL will permit casino smoking on the newest ship.

 

Like all things on the ships, they likely expect l lower casino revenue if they ban r all smoking I'm sure they have the 'numbers to back it up but I think i it a big mistake. How many will avoid the casino because of smoking vs ho w many would avoid it becuse they cannot smoke?

 

I'm surprised as well. Why stink up a new ship?

 

Celebrity does not allow smoking in their casinos... Hard to believe it's hurting them financially.

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I'm surprised as well. Why stink up a new ship?

 

Celebrity does not allow smoking in their casinos... Hard to believe it's hurting them financially.

 

Where does Celebrity allow smoking?

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Where does Celebrity allow smoking?

 

Only in certain designated outdoor public areas.

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I'm surprised as well. Why stink up a new ship?

 

Celebrity does not allow smoking in their casinos... Hard to believe it's hurting them financially.

 

I wonder how many cruisers forgo booking on a ship where smoking is allowed and would otherwise be in the casinos playing if it were not? That consideration kind of skews those numbers.

I'm a heavy player and will not be in a casino where I can't see because of burning eyes and having clothes that stink to low hell.

I know i'm not alone in this.

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I got off the Koningsdam in Rome two weeks ago after a 14 night Trans-Atlantic. My two favorite places on a cruise ship are the aft pool area in the day, and the casino at night. Unfortunately for me, these are the only two areas on the KD where smoking is allowed. We had beautiful weather for the first week of our crossing and I wanted to enjoy the Sea View Pool and Bar but I couldn't because there was a constant, overwhelming stench of cigarette smoke. It was constant. It was disgusting. You couldn't escape it. And worse, contrary to what the smoking policy states in reply #49, smoking is not permitted on the port side, it is permitted on the starboard side, the same side as the Sea View Bar. I couldn't sit at the bar to enjoy a cocktail at sunset because I was exposed to the foul odors. The wind would swirl around the entire aft deck area and sitting on the port side did not help. Their casino smoking policy is a joke. They say smoking is only allowed while playing a designated smoking slot machine but people were smoking at non smoking machines, and even the non gambling smokers would be walking around in the casino enjoying their cigarettes. That too was constant, and that too was disgusting. And finally, the man in the cabin next to mine smoked on his balcony morning, noon, and night. I reported it to guest services, as well as my cabin steward but nothing was done. He continued smoking on his balcony for 14 days. I couldn't escape the smoke. Not even on my own balcony. HAL really needs to re-think it's smoking policy.

 

I was on that cruise as well, though I started with 10 days in the Caribbean. I could not go near the casino because of all the smoke, and it did drift around the ship like no other. Even on the nonsmoking days, the odor in there was terrible.

 

I had some excellent crew experiences while on the ship, but the guest services crew, with the exception of Eunice, was hopeless. Yes, they would enter your complaint into their system but no one ever seemed to follow up. I spent way too much time trying to get billing errors fixed, as well as my disembarkation plans. Usually the HAL front desk is pretty good, but not on the K.

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... And finally, the man in the cabin next to mine smoked on his balcony morning, noon, and night. I reported it to guest services, as well as my cabin steward but nothing was done. He continued smoking on his balcony for 14 days. I couldn't escape the smoke. Not even on my own balcony. HAL really needs to re-think it's smoking policy.

 

That is outrageous that a person can pay for a verandah with the understanding that smoking is prohibited and not be able to use it because HAL doesn't enforce its policy. An excerpt from Post #49: "Any guest who smokes inside staterooms or on verandahs in violation of our policy will be charged a US$250 cleaning fee per day of violation and will risk being removed from the ship for repeated violations."

 

Perhaps rules are enforced selectively; I expect that the rule against bringing on more than one bottle of wine per person was vigorously enforced. I suppose if an aggrieved passenger emptied a fire extinguisher over the transgressor that person trying to protect his or her health would be removed from the ship.

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Whenever they started smoking, that's when I would get out my harmonica and play some bars. BTW, I sound terrible.

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Viking Ocean is another line prohibiting indoor smoking and they are killing it sales wise. Kudos to them.

The US has made great strides eliminating smoking but it has taken more than 50 years of vehement public health campaigning. I don’t know a soul who still smokes.

Far more Europeans still smoke like tobacco testers than in the Canada.

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Far more Europeans still smoke like tobacco testers than in the Canada.

I realise that, but there is no indication that HAL has different rules for passengers according to what it says on their passports. I recently had a cruise on Cunard from England and, despite the fact there is a higher percentage of smokers in the UK than in North America, the rules were apparently obeyed by all.

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I NEVER would have booked my cruise had I known that Holland was so lax in following their own policy.

I AM considering filing a lawsuit to offer some relief and release.

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I wonder how many cruisers forgo booking on a ship where smoking is allowed and would otherwise be in the casinos playing if it were not? That consideration kind of skews those numbers.

I'm a heavy player and will not be in a casino where I can't see because of burning eyes and having clothes that stink to low hell.

I know i'm not alone in this.

 

I'm a blackjack player and can only play when the tables first open in the morning on sea days until I can't stand it, usually just a couple of hours. Evening hours are just not possible because atmosphere becomes smoke-soaked by that time.

Now, having said that, I'm just off Zaandam. There were two nonsmoking days out of 14 total. On those two days the casino was PACKED -- tables and slots!! You'd think that would tell them something?

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There have been many studies (over lots of years) that have shown a high correlation between gamblers and smokers. The most accepted theory is that both gamblers and smokers have an addictive personality. But since a higher percentage of gamblers do smoke then the general population, many casino owners do their best to cater to smokers.

 

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There have been many studies (over lots of years) that have shown a high correlation between gamblers and smokers. The most accepted theory is that both gamblers and smokers have an addictive personality. But since a higher percentage of gamblers do smoke then the general population, many casino owners do their best to cater to smokers.

 

Hank

There were studies that also showed a high correlation between drinking and smoking. When smoking was banned from restaurants and bars, the owners protested that the ban would be the death knell for their establishments. Guess what, in spite of the many dire predictions, business boomed as the non-smokers flocked in ever-increasing numbers to the bars and restaurants to enjoy a drink or meal in a smoke-free environment.

 

The experience of Av8rix is totally consistent with this reality, one that HAL must be aware of too. Unfortunately, as with its balcony smoking policy, HAL is so-o-o-o slow to change.

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HAL is so-o-o-o slow to change.

 

Which probably correlates directly with their demographic, or niche in the market... sloooooow to change.., so in that sense, it doesn't surprise me.

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Isn't the simple solution for the cruise lines to install good ventilation systems that are used in most land-based casinos. I have walked into casinos that I thought were non-smoking only to notice ashtrays at the slots and then realize that many players were smoking. The ventilation system was so good you really could not tell there was a lot of smoking going on.

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Isn't the simple solution for the cruise lines to install good ventilation systems that are used in most land-based casinos. I have walked into casinos that I thought were non-smoking only to notice ashtrays at the slots and then realize that many players were smoking. The ventilation system was so good you really could not tell there was a lot of smoking going on.

A simpler and far cheaper solution would be to ban smoking in the casinos like the rest of the cruise industry.

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Whenever they started smoking, that's when I would get out my harmonica and play some bars. BTW, I sound terrible.

 

Great idea! Thanks for sharing it. Sounds like I need to tuck a harmonica into my suitcase just in case.

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A simpler and far cheaper solution would be to ban smoking in the casinos like the rest of the cruise industry.
I think there are some folks, especially among smokers, who don't understand how ventilation is a disproportionately inadequate remedy, especially with regard to the impact smoking has on those with respiratory concerns.

 

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Except that not all cruise lines have banned smoking in their casinos, so your point is moot.

 

https://cruises.affordabletours.com/search/SmokingPolicy/

OK, "like most of the cruise industry". Happy? :cool:

 

BTW, you appear to have missed the essential point of my post, which is that it's far cheaper and easier to ban smoking. Moot? Not at all.

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BTW, you appear to have missed the essential point of my post, which is that it's far cheaper and easier to ban smoking. Moot? Not at all.
I agree. I think it is worth pointing out though that it wasn't the case years ago. Back then, the loss of revenue from being "the" cruise line that banned smoking was greater than the cost of installing (inadequate) ventilation systems and the loss of revenue from passengers who wouldn't cruise until smoking was banned. Things have changed.

 

For people who have smoked for fifty years, and blinded themselves to how society has been changing beginning (slowly at first) fifty years ago, the bans probably came as bit of a shock. Nicotine addiction is something that they literally cannot control without a lot of work and going through a process, so they feel victimized and lash out in response, even though it was their own denial of how things have been changing over fifty years that is the real reason for their current predicament.

 

I'll relay some encouragement though: A vacation is the best time to adopt new behaviors. Let's be clear: I am not saying that it is a good time to kick a nicotine addiction. I am an eyewitness to that not working. However, I am also an eyewitness to a vacation successfully helping a nicotine addict kick smoking. While I would like the addict to stop chewing the gum, as well, at least the addict has left behind the damaging effects of the ammonia, arsenic, carbon monoxide, formaldehyde, hydrogen cyanide, etc., as well as the tar.

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Someone on a Konigsdam Roll Call posted that Konigsdam casino was non-smoking since January of this year. Can anyone else confirm that?

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That sums it up nicely. We lived in Las Vegas for 13 years. Tried to basically stay away from casinos because we knew what the odds of winning are. The times we went, however, the preponderance of gamblers were smoking. Even saw one little old lady wearing an oxygen cannula and smoking a cigarette! Since smokers are gambling with their health/lives, I suppose we can surmise smokers are gamblers!

 

Good point. Smokers (including myself) are addicts just as non-smokers are reformed addicts. Get an addict into a potentially addictive situation and a decent percentage will embrace it. Addicts spend a great deal of money on their drug of choice, be it smoking, alcohol/drugs or gambling and that's why you have an open door policy for smoking in a casino. :)

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It's been absolutely proven that prohibiting smoking in the casino will not impact the revenue of the cruiseline. There has been an indoor ban, including the casino, on Celebrity for years and their ships are filled to capacity and the casino is hopping til the wee hours of morning. More crowded than on any HAL ship I've been on. MORE people will use the casino if there is no smoking, not less. The vast majority of people do not smoke and using a casino where smoking is allowed can be a deal breaker. I spend lots of time in the casino on Celebrity ships and a lot less on HAL ships that still allow it.

 

I'm curious and I'm not trying to burn you here. Has there been an actual study or is your statement a result of your observations?

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Nicotine addiction is something that they literally cannot control without a lot of work and going through a process, so they feel victimized and lash out in response

 

In recent years and especially on this forum where I see so many people complaining about smokers, I feel less victimized than marginalized. And sure, I find it upsetting, especially given that said random people don't know me. They don't know any of the smokers they're shaming, whether they're doing it intentionally or not.

I'll relay some encouragement though: A vacation is the best time to adopt new behaviors. Let's be clear: I am not saying that it is a good time to kick a nicotine addiction. I am an eyewitness to that not working. However, I am also an eyewitness to a vacation successfully helping a nicotine addict kick smoking.

 

Indeed! I'm sailing with a friend who has proclaimed herself a smoking n*z*. I know her though, so that doesn't bother me. Point being is that I intend to wear a patch every day of the cruise and although I may not be able to quit -- I intend to give it my best.

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Someone on a Konigsdam Roll Call posted that Konigsdam casino was non-smoking since January of this year. Can anyone else confirm that?

 

I was on the Koningsdam in March of this year, and they allowed smoking in the casino. It stunk walking through there on several occasions. I don't recall if they had any no-smoking nights (11-night itinerary), as I wasn't about to spend time in that area just because no cigarettes were lit ;-)

 

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I was on the Koningsdam in March of this year, and they allowed smoking in the casino. It stunk walking through there on several occasions. I don't recall if they had any no-smoking nights (11-night itinerary), as I wasn't about to spend time in that area just because no cigarettes were lit ;-)

 

Sue/WDW1972

 

Sue is correct about the smell in the casino on Konigsdam. I visited on a nonsmoking night and it still stunk.

 

I was on the Westerdam a couple of weeks ago, and visited the casino for about 10 minutes. That's all I could stand of the smell. No active smokers were in sight but they may as well have been all around me.

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Thank you for your responses. I was on the Koningsdam last December and only used the casino once in 12 days due to the smoke. Will be back on it in October for 24 days and thought it might have changed due to comment on another roll-call board. Unfortunate.

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Sue is correct about the smell in the casino on Konigsdam. I visited on a nonsmoking night and it still stunk.

 

I was on the Westerdam a couple of weeks ago, and visited the casino for about 10 minutes. That's all I could stand of the smell. No active smokers were in sight but they may as well have been all around me.

If someone wipes their hand on any surface where it is not cleaned daily, they will find a film of tar residue on that surface. All the rest of the tar is on peoples clothing or in their lungs.

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Has anyone on HAL had experience with reporting smoking on a balcony? How quickly does staff respond after reported? If at all.

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Supervisors will check a cabin if you report that you smelled a smoke odor but they’ve never caught the perpetrators in the act so nothing can be done. It’s very frustrating!

 

 

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Just got off the Eurodam. Smoking is only allowed in one small, outdoor area. No smoking in the casino or anywhere else. Unless you go to the smoking area, there is no smoke smell.

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