No Park West Gallery on the Carnival Horizon and Panorama?

[NavarreCruiser]

To each his own, what is crap to you has value to others. I’m sure we can take a walk thru your house and ask the same question you and DW ask each other.

 

Interesting assessment of surety since you know nothing of crewsweepers residence, taste or decorations.

[thundercrack]

Interesting assessment of surety since you know nothing of crewsweepers residence, taste or decorations.

 

As stated in my post, what is crap to one is not to another. Just as I am sure I can go into crewsweepers residence and assess something in there as crap (IMO), crewsweeper can most certainly step into my residence and assess something as crap IHO.

[tidecat]

The Spirit just came out of dry-dock & one of it's upgrades was the removal of Park-West studio & replaced with Soul-Play. Where you can paint, draw & create different things eg Beach Bags. Small charge but relaxing & fun..

 

I know the Paint and Sip places were all the rage a few years ago, but that actually sounds like a good refresh of the concept rather than just painting another piece of canvas. Hopefully it will work it’s way to the North American fleet.

 

 

Sent from my eye phone using a three legged yak FFS

[Stateroom_Sailor]

I always suspected, without any evidence, that the auctions were staged. I wonder what happens if the shill wins the auction?

 

In some cases, the shill may have already purchased the art privately, or worked out a group "discount", and then asked to pretend like they're bidding on everything for the first time, at much higher prices. In my case, I was told that I needed to bid in order to unlock the cheapest pricing later, but was not committing. There are other people who've bid on half a dozen + paintings in one setting, of artwork that is completely different styles, always expensive, and the couple doesn't seem to be discussing much of anything (not even a drunken adrenaline rush going on). Hmmmm....

 

 

https://www.courthousenews.com/muhammad-ali-center-sues-park-west-galleries/

 

We actually purchased a $400 carry-off painting once, told that it had just arrived on the ship during embarkation. It was packaged up for travel, and we didn't open it up until a couple years later. Without any wear on the protective cardboard, the painting inside was severely dented on a corner, making it basically worthless. I always wondered why they clearances a new arrival painting, but now assume it was a bait and switch. That new painting was a replacement for the damaged one they sold me.

Edited July 5, 2018 by Stateroom_Sailor

[1AL]

In some cases, the shill may have already purchased the art privately, or worked out a group "discount", and then asked to pretend like they're bidding on everything for the first time, at much higher prices. In my case, I was told that I needed to bid in order to unlock the cheapest pricing later, but was not committing. There are other people who've bid on half a dozen + paintings in one setting, of artwork that is completely different styles, always expensive, and the couple doesn't seem to be discussing much of anything (not even a drunken adrenaline rush going on). Hmmmm....

 

 

https://www.courthousenews.com/muhammad-ali-center-sues-park-west-galleries/

 

We actually purchased a $400 carry-off painting once, told that it had just arrived on the ship during embarkation. It was packaged up for travel, and we didn't open it up until a couple years later. Without any wear on the protective cardboard, the painting inside was severely dented on a corner, making it basically worthless. I always wondered why they clearances a new arrival painting, but now assume it was a bait and switch. That new painting was a replacement for the damaged one they sold me.

 

So you spent $400 on a "painting" from an auction house of dubious reputation, you take it home and you did not look at it till 2 years later?

Customers like you are Park West's ideal prey, no wonder they say "there's s sucker born every minute".

[Stateroom_Sailor]

So you spent $400 on a "painting" from an auction house of dubious reputation, you take it home and you did not look at it till 2 years later?

Customers like you are Park West's ideal prey, no wonder they say "there's s sucker born every minute".

 

Yep! ;p

[BlerkOne]

Interesting read:

https://www.format.com/magazine/features/art/cruise-ship-art-auctions-controversy

[TomCruise48]

Interesting read:

https://www.format.com/magazine/features/art/cruise-ship-art-auctions-controversy

"Business Week" had an article a couple of years ago about Park West. The main point was that guests buying paintings onboard often found that when they returned home their paintings appraised much lower than what they were told by Park West.

[Pellaz]

Good riddance if they're getting rid of the art galleries. My parents bought quite a few paintings during cruises over the years. I personally thought most of the paintings were garish, but it was their money....

At their estate sale (downsizing their residence), not one single painting sold. They all went into the dumpster. :o

 

Carnival should re-purpose that area into a space for 18-20 year olds, since that has been a common suggestion in the "one way for Carnival to improve" thread, and elsewhere.

Or, y'know, a crafts-and-create space. That'd be an improvement too. :)

[BoDidly]

No Park West Gallery on the Carnival Horizon and Panorama?

Best news I've heard from Carnival . Fabricated reprints are for trash bins.

[BlerkOne]

"Business Week" had an article a couple of years ago about Park West. The main point was that guests buying paintings onboard often found that when they returned home their paintings appraised much lower than what they were told by Park West.

 

The article I linked mentions that most appraisals are signed by..... the owner of Park West.

[pacruise804]

The Spirit just came out of dry-dock & one of it's upgrades was the removal of Park-West studio & replaced with Soul-Play. Where you can paint, draw & create different things eg Beach Bags. Small charge but relaxing & fun..

 

That sounds like something many would enjoy (including me;)). An escape room might be a good option too.

 

I liked walking through the art gallery for something to do while waiting for ATD, but could never see us purchasing anything.

[Bhern05]

There's no art gallery on Horizon due to space issues, but not sure about the new ships.

[spleenstomper]

Lack of paper waste would be such a welcome change!!

[Micahs Grandad]

There's no art gallery on Horizon due to space issues, but not sure about the new ships.

 

They typically take over one of the larger lounges for the day.

[KmomChicago]

This feels like a great opportunity to complain about a cutback. "No more free champagne! No more watching shills collude with sharp dressed Euro-model smarmy charmy auctioneers! No more free dollar store print of some flower painting!"

 

Stories continue to pop up about the auctions being sued and so forth for misleading sales practices, and it seems likely the profit is no longer worth the headache of angry customers for the cruise lines, who associate the bad purchase with the line and don't really understand or care that it's a third party vendor. In a way they are mostly selling frames, which may be worth more than their contents. Hey, frames are expensive.

[Moviela]

There was no art on Horizon in Europe. It was missed by no one. Now if they could get a collar on the lotions and potions of dubious value offered with a hard sell in the spa.

[Cybadaca]

Wow, way too much ill-informed BS flying around here. We've been doing art auctions for more than 10 years on both Carnival and Norwegian. The galleries turn huge profits for both Park West AND the cruise lines. Carnival knows it and has thus been raising the rent/consignment fees so much on the newer ships that Park West says take a hike. Park West is a multi-billion $$ international privately held company with galleries in more than 10 countries. A much better option for grown ups on these cruises. (And, BTW, artwork ranks 5th as the most solvent investment asset for serious investing.)

[dixnew]

My wife and I enjoy the auction, it's not for everyone but we like it. I wish it was on the Horizon. We will be back on board March 21st.

[Wanna_Cruize]

I wonder if this expose also had something to do with cruise ships getting away from the Art Auctions: 

Dementia Stopped Peter Max From Painting. For Some, That Spelled a Lucrative Opportunity.

Now Peter Max’s associates are trading lurid allegations of kidnapping, hired goons, attempted murder by Brazil nut and art fraud on the high seas.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/28/business/peter-max-dementia-cruise-ship-auctions.html

[sprint180]

I always think it is funny the ire the Art Auctions cause.  I have never understood why it bothers some what others do.  It doesn't interest me so I don't go, neither does bingo or martini tastings, or dance classes.  But, I know others like them so it is nice to have interests for all kinds of people.  "it's not real art"  So what, if someone likes it and is willing to pay for it so be it.  I can't imagine why anyone would believe a salesman on what something is worth either.  

[BigTeee]

"No more free champagne! No more watching shills collude with sharp dressed Euro-model smarmy charmy auctioneers! No more free dollar store print of some flower painting!"

 

I am in 2024, now, and this exactly is my experience.   Very interesting experience; but, I shall not buy a Xeroxed print for my residence, no matter what French words for a color ink jet printer they use.  (And its not champagne.   It's cheap prosecco mixed with orange-colored sugar water.....)

[ledges1]

My wife bought a Thomas Kincaid print from a local discount store framed for pennies on the dollar vs Park West. Even their champagne is cheap. 

[ItsADryHumor]

We have always enjoyed the auctions since we first went during a winter cruise years ago. We’ve even bought a few pieces- not because of reported worth or appreciating value, but because we liked them and they had value to us. 
 

People drop thousands in the casino and hundreds on the drink package, and both are a-ok. We chose to drop our hard-earned money on art.

 

Fun fact- we first saw one artist’s pieces there, and we immediately thought of a relative’s painting style. We went home and told

him about the artist and pulled up pictures of his work. He now works with the artist’s business in Vegas. So something else good came of it. 

Edited Saturday at 11:58 AM by ItsADryHumor
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[BigTeee]

1 hour ago, ledges1 said:

My wife bought a Thomas Kincaid print from a local discount store framed for pennies on the dollar vs Park West. Even their champagne is cheap. 

Yeah, there's a big Thomas Kinkaid auction on this cruise.  Big popular appeal, I know.  There was a Thomas Kinkaid store at the Mall of America in Bloomington, Minnesota.   I'd rather buy on land than at sea, myself.  To each his own; beauty is in the eye of the beholder.   I think that Thomas Kinkaid and the Dali are the only artworks that merit serious consideration.   That said, it's on Carnival and therefore presented as a big Hollywood TV game show accompanied by imaginary prices and various add-ons.  Pure capitalism in action. I don't judge.   You are buying what you like in a fun environment.   But, none, not even the Dali prints, are however remotely close to investment grade.    I stuck around for a week of free fun entertainment value; but I'm dropping out now for my second week of my two-week cruise.