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We have been loyal to Princess and never stepped foot on any other cruise line until this year (RCB & NCL). I would have to say I was a little disappointed in trusty Princess when we were on these mega ships that housed Go Kart tracks, laser tag, flowrider, etc. Of course I understand that these ships were recently released and sail tropical itineraries aimed at families however now I just can't help but feel jaded when comparing Princess fares with these other cruise lines that constantly refurbish their ships. The price points are similar (with Princess being slightly higher on some sailings) and even the competitor's no-frills cruise ships are routinely being upgraded and new attractions are added. I think Princess' latest big deal for us were the dry-docks that brought the International Cafe to the fleet but...that's it. What are the areas in which Princess brings value compared to other cruise lines in today's market? It doesn't help that I seemed to save a few bucks booking with other cruise lines this past year. :confused:

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We have been loyal to Princess and never stepped foot on any other cruise line until this year (RCB & NCL). I would have to say I was a little disappointed in trusty Princess when we were on these mega ships that housed Go Kart tracks, laser tag, flowrider, etc. Of course I understand that these ships were recently released and sail tropical itineraries aimed at families however now I just can't help but feel jaded when comparing Princess fares with these other cruise lines that constantly refurbish their ships. The price points are similar (with Princess being slightly higher on some sailings) and even the no-frills competitor cruise ships seem to have been upgraded recently with a new attraction on board (bowling alley for example). What are the areas in which Princess brings value compared to other cruise lines nowadays? It doesn't help that I seemed to have quite a buck booking with other cruise lines as well. :confused:

 

 

I agree starting with the Grand. (1998)!! :rolleyes:

 

I am not for the Carnival atmosphere either. Don't need all the rides etc.

However newer ships are a must. Tired of plumbing and HVAC issues.

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We have been loyal to Princess and never stepped foot on any other cruise line until this year (RCB & NCL). I would have to say I was a little disappointed in our trusty Princess when we were on these mega ships that housed Go Kart tracks, laser tag, flowrider, etc. Of course I understand that these ships were recently released and sail tropical itineraries aimed at families however now I just can't help but feel jaded when looking at Princess fares compared with other cruise lines with these new shiny toys. What are the areas in which Princess brings value compared to other cruise lines nowadays? It doesn't help that I seemed to have quite a buck booking with other cruise lines as well. [emoji782]

 

 

 

Not everyone wants an Amusement Park @ Sea .

Been cruising since 1978.

Princess still retains a semblance of a actual cruise experience for me .

We cruise all of the mass market cruise lines but avoid the

Amusement Park @Sea ships .

 

 

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Not sure what RCB is but yes, some of the ships in the Princess fleet are pretty old and could use some TLC.

However, you can still have a fabulous time on one of the older ships and what is nice in a roundabout sort of way, the ships without all those amusement park features kind of tend to keep the kiddies away. :D

I tend to like the Solstice class ships of Celebrity but recently sailed on the Grand Princess for a most wonderful sailing. There was some rust in our tub which should have been addressed but other than that, the cruise was exceptional.

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There is a reason that I don't book cruises on Royal Caribbean and NCL....and in large part, you named it. First, my daughter has a mobility issue that won't allow her to do many of those things like climbing walls, flow riders, etc. Therefore, I don't want to pay for them or to watch her disappointment when she can't do things. Secondly, I don't want to deal with the unsupervised tweens and teens that we've experienced on some of these lines.

 

I don't think that a classic cruise experience makes a cruise line "dated." However, I see a lot of room for improvement at Princess...starting with the beige and brown decor everywhere. There are many things that could be done to upgrade/update ships without creating an amusement park at sea.

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There is a reason that I don't book cruises on Royal Caribbean and NCL....and in large part' date=' you named it. First, my daughter has a mobility issue that won't allow her to do many of those things like climbing walls, flow riders, etc. Therefore, I don't want to pay for them or to watch her disappointment when she can't do things. Secondly, I don't want to deal with the unsupervised tweens and teens that we've experienced on some of these lines.

 

I don't think that a classic cruise experience makes a cruise line "dated." However, I see a lot of room for improvement at Princess...starting with the beige and brown decor everywhere. There are many things that could be done to upgrade/update ships without creating an amusement park at sea.[/quote']

 

I over-stated the point regarding ship attractions but what I should have included in the original post was also general TLC across all ships. I fully agree with your point with the overuse of brown and the dinginess of some stateroom bathrooms Cruise Raider brought up. It just seems like the cruise line market is moving onward and Princess is being left behind.

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Nancy, as long as the Princess ships are sailing fully booked, I think that the powers that be in the Santa Clarita Puzzle Palace will continue patting themselves on the back for a job well done. If they start sending out empty cabins on cruises, they will start wondering "How do we attract more customers so that we can keep our jobs?"

 

Keep in mind that Princess is a for-profit enterprise. The have to amortize the cost of new ships over many years. They, in fact, do have a plan of bringing on new ships and retiring their older ones.

 

Here is the cool part, The cruise industry has pretty nicely segmented the market for themselves. So, you have cruisers who are comfortable with Princess, and it is less likely that they would consider cruising on Carnival or NCL. Then you have cruisers who are comfortable with Royal Caribbean and it is less likely that they would consider cruising on Holland America or Princess. There is some poaching of customers between these companies, but for every "I choose my cruise based on itinerary" customer there is the offsetting "I am Exalted Loyalty Level and I want my free drinks and free internet," customer.

 

I don't understand why you want Princess to look like Royal Caribbean. If Royal Caribbean fits you better, then go ahead and cruise with them. Why would you want to turn Princess into a Royal Caribbean wannabe?

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This year we have sailed on 4 different cruise lines (princess, celebrity, HAL, and Royal Caribbean. Princess remains our line of first choice, but we will sail on other lines for various reasons (royal for example when we cruise with children and grandchildren). Other for cruise itinerary and/timing.

Princess is just fine.

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You made your second post while I was composing mine, Nancy.

 

Your clarification makes your title more understandable. I have no real response to that. I do not share that view. However, if that is your observation, then I certainly not disagree with your feelings.

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I don't think that a classic cruise experience makes a cruise line "dated." However' date=' I see a lot of room for improvement at Princess...starting with the beige and brown decor everywhere. There are many things that could be done to upgrade/update ships without creating an amusement park at sea.[/quote']

 

I agree. We have cruised a lot on Royal Caribbean, and their decor and lay out are more convenient and contemporary without being over the top. We have not yet cruised on any of their mega-ships, since most of the additional activities aren't of interest and the smaller ships are less expensive in general. Princess decor and lay out are a bit dated and inconvenient at times. However, many of their public spaces have a classic elegance that is not duplicated on Royal Caribbean. But there is definitely room for improvement and updating.

 

We have cruised with Princess for their itineraries, despite their ships' decor and higher pricing. They have many great itineraries that keep us coming back for another adventure.

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Nancy, as long as the Princess ships are sailing fully booked,

 

 

Full ships don’t necessarily mean profitable ships. With revenue management it means the price point that fills the ship is met

 

 

 

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Full ships don’t necessarily mean profitable ships. With revenue management it means the price point that fills the ship is met

 

 

 

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Touche.

 

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The Royal Princess entered the fleet in 2013. The Regal Princess entered the fleet in 2014. The Majestic Princess entered the fleet in 2017. The Sky Princess will enter the fleet in 2019.

 

These ships don't come off some assembly line like automobiles. Four new ships in 7 years seems like a pretty good effort to maintain a modern fleet. I don't know what the construction rate for newly built ships is for other cruise lines but I think Princess is doing pretty good. The only thing Princess has failed to do is to ask me to help design the "perfect" cruise ship.

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We have no problem with Princess not having rock climbing walls, go cart racing and ice skating rinks. We are in our early 70 and enjoy the sedateness of Princess and HAL ships. What we are having is issues with Princess not spending enough on the maintenance of their ships especially the Caribbean Princess and from I've read a few others in the fleet. We sailed on the Eurodam in March and Caribbean Princess last month. Both ships are about the same age but that's where the comparison ends, the Eurodams looks like it's brand new while the Caribbean Princess needs an extensive re-do in dry dock.

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We have been loyal to Princess and never stepped foot on any other cruise line until this year (RCB & NCL). I would have to say I was a little disappointed in trusty Princess when we were on these mega ships that housed Go Kart tracks, laser tag, flowrider, etc. Of course I understand that these ships were recently released and sail tropical itineraries aimed at families however now I just can't help but feel jaded when comparing Princess fares with these other cruise lines that constantly refurbish their ships. The price points are similar (with Princess being slightly higher on some sailings) and even the competitor's no-frills cruise ships are routinely being upgraded and new attractions are added. I think Princess' latest big deal for us were the dry-docks that brought the International Cafe to the fleet but...that's it. What are the areas in which Princess brings value compared to other cruise lines in today's market? It doesn't help that I seemed to save a few bucks booking with other cruise lines this past year. :confused:

 

 

We have cruised well over 60 times on 9 different lines: 26 of these cruises have been on Princess, recently we have cruised Celebrity, Cunard, Holland America and NCL. We are very happy with Princess, we are not looking for all the family friendly attractions you mention, in fact, we avoid these mega ships because they are not our cut of tea.

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I've been cruising 35 years, six different lines and Princess is 1st choice as itinerary is my goal. I was on Emerald for 30 days in March, it was fine. My table mates thought she needs an overhaul. I haven't sailed on RCI new ships, will not, don't need "stuff". I was on RCI Vision for 20+ days in 2015, people were saying the same thing, outdated. I had no complaints.

 

I equate it to mom and pop motels going by the wayside because people want to be entertained, have to stay connected, water parks, conveniences of home. Cruising in 80's, even 90's wasn't about things people have to have today. Times have changed, cruise lines and ships most certainly. I think Princess ships are fine. I'm sailing on the Royal this Fall, Sapphire and Emerald next year and if the Emerald looks exactly the same as she did this year, fine by me.

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If I want a theme Park I’ll visit one, if I cruise I want a cruise.

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As long as Princess keeps the Pacific Princess, I may sail on her on occasion. Otherwise, I am permanently out of there. As far as I am concerned, any ship with more than 1000 passengers is oversized. You would not get me on one of those oversized amusement park monstrosity mega ships if you gave me a cruise for nothing.

 

DON

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I would hate sailing on a ship with a "mall" down the middle! Balcony cabins overlooking a huge shopping area. Bleh... Our children are grown and gone. We have no use for all the bell and whistles offered on the huge mega ships. I feel lucky that we started with Princess and found a match for our wants/needs. I know others who tried cruising but started out with different lines and never cruised again after that first time. Princess meets our needs and fills a slot that seems to appeal to quite a few folks.

 

I can agree that some of the ships could use work. I know that when we sailed Emerald last year they were working on the plumbing issue during the cruise. It seems they were adding additional access areas and such so that when some clown blocked the plumbing it would be faster and easier to address the issue. Blocked plumbing can happen on any ship and it's caused by clueless or "entitled" passengers.

 

It's good that there are other lines with different options so that everybody can find what they like. We like Princess and will stick with the line.

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The Royal Princess entered the fleet in 2013. The Regal Princess entered the fleet in 2014. The Majestic Princess entered the fleet in 2017. The Sky Princess will enter the fleet in 2019.

 

These ships don't come off some assembly line like automobiles. Four new ships in 7 years seems like a pretty good effort to maintain a modern fleet. I don't know what the construction rate for newly built ships is for other cruise lines but I think Princess is doing pretty good. The only thing Princess has failed to do is to ask me to help design the "perfect" cruise ship.

 

Was going to post something similar. In addition to these 4, they have at least 2 others already booked. They are going to have as many newer ships as any other line. We were on the CB last week, and the ship itself looked fine to me for a 14 year old ship. Now, I did post my HVAC issue in my thread, but the rest of the ship was fine (other than the food and the new buffet area).

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I would hate sailing on a ship with a "mall" down the middle! Balcony cabins overlooking a huge shopping area. Bleh... Our children are grown and gone. We have no use for all the bell and whistles offered on the huge mega ships. I feel lucky that we started with Princess and found a match for our wants/needs. I know others who tried cruising but started out with different lines and never cruised again after that first time. Princess meets our needs and fills a slot that seems to appeal to quite a few folks.

 

I can agree that some of the ships could use work. I know that when we sailed Emerald last year they were working on the plumbing issue during the cruise. It seems they were adding additional access areas and such so that when some clown blocked the plumbing it would be faster and easier to address the issue. Blocked plumbing can happen on any ship and it's caused by clueless or "entitled" passengers.

 

It's good that there are other lines with different options so that everybody can find what they like. We like Princess and will stick with the line.

 

We are the same. If our first cruise had been on a mega mall, it probably would have been our last.

 

Fortunately started with Pacific Princess and was hooked.

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We are the same. If our first cruise had been on a mega mall, it probably would have been our last.

 

Fortunately started with Pacific Princess and was hooked.

 

We know a couple who tried cruising but their first (and last) cruise was a 7 day Caribbean cruise on Carnival during Spring Break. D'Oh!

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We know a couple who tried cruising but their first (and last) cruise was a 7 day Caribbean cruise on Carnival during Spring Break. D'Oh!

I have a friend who says that if you don't like cruising, you just haven't found the right line for you yet.

 

We were on the Caribbean Princess in April....it was the best cruise we've had in years from the standpoint of service and food quality. Those things don't really depend on age of the ship. And I do appreciate that Princess launches a new ship every couple of years...so the fleet as a whole isn't that old. We just have a way of choosing some of the older vessels.

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Not sure this has anything to do with the OP’s question, but

 

If we had to only cruise on ships with less than 1000 passengers our choices would too limited.

Still no Rowboats taking passengers on voyages.

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We've sailed on at least 7 different lines, but the more on Princess than any other. I can honestly say that we never have had a cruise that we disliked. We like the Princess product very well, but also enjoy the more theme-like mega ships.

 

For us though, we find Princess to be very well-priced and often great priced. This is probably partly because we usually cruise at off or shoulder seasons, like early Dec. and two week, or more, cruises. If you look at the brochure prices, yes, they look pricey, but hopefully no one pays those prices, on any cruise line.

 

For instance, we could sail in a balcony on the Regal for $499 the first week in Dec. And, although we like kids and have cruised with kids, Princess does have fewer kids if you want a quieter atmosphere.

 

I also think they have quite a few newer ships either out or coming out. The Regal class of ships is not our favorite, largely because of the layout, but it's still a great ship.

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We had a break from cruising due to DW's ankle break, but returned to the Ruby three weeks ago. Even though the Ruby is due for dry dock in this fall, she was neat and clean. No rough around the edges could be seen. Been on ships due for dry dock, and this one was in the best shape I have seen.

 

We are like many others here and sail for the itinerary. As such, we have sailed other lines and found them in no better shape than the Princess ships at that time. As for the Mega, we have sailed the Royal and will sail her again next year. Love the fact there AREN'T all the gimmicks on board. If those are what you are looking for, then power to you, you pick the ship as the destination. Just shop ships for the latest and greatest gimmick. Mean while, I plan on getting off the boat in some destination I have never been to in order to get a "taste" of the area and see if I want to go back for a longer stay!;)

 

As for the Grand, is she due to go to P&O? have not looked at her schedule.

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We had a break from cruising due to DW's ankle break, but returned to the Ruby three weeks ago. Even though the Ruby is due for dry dock in this fall, she was neat and clean. No rough around the edges could be seen. Been on ships due for dry dock, and this one was in the best shape I have seen.

 

We are like many others here and sail for the itinerary. As such, we have sailed other lines and found them in no better shape than the Princess ships at that time. As for the Mega, we have sailed the Royal and will sail her again next year. Love the fact there AREN'T all the gimmicks on board. If those are what you are looking for, then power to you, you pick the ship as the destination. Just shop ships for the latest and greatest gimmick. Mean while, I plan on getting off the boat in some destination I have never been to in order to get a "taste" of the area and see if I want to go back for a longer stay!;)

 

As for the Grand, is she due to go to P&O? have not looked at her schedule.

Golden is going to P&O in 2020....I'm sad because we like window suites.

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Princess is keeping up with new ships and maintaining their older ones. Every time we cruise they are doing some major maintenance to the ship. Last cruise they were replacing the wood on top of the balcony rails. Each cruise line markets to a different group. Carnival markets to young pax and families (the fun ship), RCL markets to a little older group with older children, HAL markets to a senior crowd that want a very peaceful experience. We do go on CCL latest ships not during summer or most school breaks and still have 200+ rugrats on board. Find your best fit and go with it.

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The Royal Princess entered the fleet in 2013. The Regal Princess entered the fleet in 2014. The Majestic Princess entered the fleet in 2017. The Sky Princess will enter the fleet in 2019.

 

These ships don't come off some assembly line like automobiles. Four new ships in 7 years seems like a pretty good effort to maintain a modern fleet. I don't know what the construction rate for newly built ships is for other cruise lines but I think Princess is doing pretty good.

 

Super great points to make. There are a whole lot of people who sailing on a ship with over 3,500 passengers works, which is the capacity of all three new Princess ships.

For some 5,000 passengers works. For some, all the toys and mini-cities works.

But for some - smaller is better. We fall into that category. We will not sail on larger than 2500 pax ships. But that is just our preference and I am really glad Princess still has those offerings, even if they are older ships. JMHO

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Golden is going to P&O in 2020....I'm sad because we like window suites.

More room to sew? :confused:

 

Thanks for the info. Heard she was going, but never heard a time line. A lot of complaints on cc, but the 4 times we sailed her, we had no problems.

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If I want a theme Park I’ll visit one, if I cruise I want a cruise.

 

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Ditto.....:):):)

 

Bob

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As long as Princess keeps the Pacific Princess, I may sail on her on occasion. Otherwise, I am permanently out of there. As far as I am concerned, any ship with more than 1000 passengers is oversized. You would not get me on one of those oversized amusement park monstrosity mega ships if you gave me a cruise for nothing.

 

DON

The day of under 1000 passenger ships in any of the mainstream cruise line in coming to an end, as the few remaining age out.

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I do not mind being on a ship with 3560 passengers.

 

What I mind is the limited number of ports that can handle that size ship.

 

What I also mind is the overcrowded ports that not only have my Princess ship that day, but up to 12 other ships, most of which also have a high number of passengers.

 

I miss the great Princess itineraries of the past that could go to such ports as Manaus or spend 10 days just within French Polynesia islands.

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If I want a theme Park I’ll visit one, if I cruise I want a cruise.

 

The day of under 1000 passenger ships in any of the mainstream cruise line in coming to an end, as the few remaining age out.

 

From what I have heard most people gripe about mega ships due to the type of crowds they draw BUT if we objectively speak on welcoming new amenities, theme-park attractions, and bigger ships across the board is it really all that bad? It's not like these rock climbing walls are taking up any precious swimming pool real estate or are replacing the spas that we all love. These ships are designed to accommodate it ALL. Something for everyone. It will still be a cruise...just with a more robust lido deck. Or have we all just become old fart cruisers that fear change ;p.

 

So lets say you are on an itinerary that would never have the tweens and kids anyways. Non-tropical itinerary during the school year. If the ship was larger and had extra fun things to do on board with new furniture and updated staterooms would there really be anything to complain about? Are you going to sit on the new furnishings and complain that you miss the good ol' Princess beige. What I think OP is saying is that other cruise lines are doing complete overhauls and it looks like in the future most of their fleet will be darn good looking inside and out. No matter what sailing (popular or not).

 

 

My answer to this is to not be loyal to any particular cruise line. DW and I wouldn't miss any of our Captain's Circle perks if we had to sail another line. And I do have to agree that it does sting a little to pay a premium for a ship that is not up to par. In our upcoming Alaska sailing we booked with RC because the ship was larger/newer and it was shockingly less expensive than what Princess was offering sailing the exact same week. Also judging from the roll call there wont be much families on board.

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Princess is like your grand dads Buick.

 

Not too loud, nothing to offend you, just middle of the road mediocrity.

 

 

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Princess is like your grand dads Buick.

 

Not too loud, nothing to offend you, just middle of the road mediocrity.

 

 

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:'):'):'):'):')

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Rather than turning Princess into yet another theme-park cruise line, I'd like to see them improve the cabins - mostly the bathrooms and balconies, but also the decor. I think Princess took a step backwards with the design of the Royal class cabins, particularly the standard balcony cabins. The balconies are ridiculously small, and although the bathroom was a smidge better than on the Grand class ship, it's still inferior when compared with Celebrity.

 

I really like the decor of the public areas on Princess though. I feel like I'm on a ship, not in some glitzy, trendy, and slightly uncomfortable hotel lounge. I like the warm tones and the Art Nouveau touches. The Atrium on Royal is truly beautiful, although there is perhaps a bit too much shop space still. I love the whole-atrium Crooners on the Sun Class ships.

 

I would hate for Princess to become a clone of other lines. Those people who want flow riders, climbing walls, ice rinks, water slides, etc already have a choice of lines. I'd actually like to see them bring back the full Promenade decks, wide enough for loungers and a walking/running track. The Sanctuary is our favourite part of the ship for relaxation, and I'd hate to see that disappear on more ships like it has on Majestic. It would also be nice to have some awning-shaded deck space aft, as well as plenty of sunny spots.

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My two biggest complaints about Princess are the standard balcony cabins, which have no sofa, which all the mainstream lines have, and even on their newer ships, a shower curtain instead of a door. For me, neither is a deal breaker, but the cabin is just a way for people to pay more if they want a sofa and the shower curtain speaks volumes about what they will pay to build a ship. Cheap, cheap.

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