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Had a little fury thing being fed off the plate next to me. I sneezd on her plate and they never came back on a 10 night cruise. Easy to fix some problems, yes I am allergic to fuzzy things.

 

Good move! See, allergies aren't always bad.

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This is one that occurred a few years ago here in NH. There's a diner about 40 miles from where we live. This guy, a supposed vet(which was never truly substantiated)brought his dog into the diner. The owner told him to leave. The guy said, but it's my Emotional Support Animal. The owner said ONLY true service animals may come in. Well, all the snowflakes went wild & protested outside & demanded a boycott. The owner lost nearly all his business to these scumbags. He then relented & allowed the damn dog inside. A shame I never went up there to teach those slack jawed yokels a little bit about the law. Once the "press" had their blood(without checking fed.law)they moved on to the next story. "Stupid is, as Stupid does" Enough on this. Let's move on.

 

Keith please, I thought you were calming down a bit but I guess not, please end it now, you’re making yourself sound really silly.

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Notice on the fine print: The Air Carriers Access Act "Allows" for the person to be accompanied. It does NOT mean "requires". This is a big difference. The carrier may refuse, the animal should it choose to. I'm fine with them caged, but they should not be allowed to roam the plane. After the Peacock/ loose Pig debacles some time ago, you'd think some common sense would prevail. There's a book by "Glenn Beck" that came out a few years ago. The "title" of that book pretty much sums up dealing with this entire "Emotional Support Animal" bunch of crap.

 

"I'm fine with them caged..." Do you refer to the animal, the owner, either or both?

"...but they should not be allowed to roam the plane." Again, the same question:...animal, owner, either or both?

I believe there is merit in the answer, "Both" which would apply to both questions.

Thank you for a great suggestion! :evilsmile:

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Keith please, I thought you were calming down a bit but I guess not, please end it now, you’re making yourself sound really silly.

Sorry, Don. After my friends & their service dog was attacked by a Pit-bull mix fake service dog, I really took it on myself about this issue. You're right. I'm getting too worked up. Lets move on. Thanks for bringing me down a bit. I'd have some emotional support Scotch, but then, I don't drink;)

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"I'm fine with them caged..." Do you refer to the animal, the owner, either or both?

"...but they should not be allowed to roam the plane." Again, the same question:...animal, owner, either or both?

I believe there is merit in the answer, "Both" which would apply to both questions.

Thank you for a great suggestion! :evilsmile:

Thanks. I'm taking Don's advice(dkjretired). Time to move on from this. RCCL seems to be moving in the right direction on this subject.

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Acutally, I'm not sure that cruse ships fall within the parameters of the Air Carriers Act and that is why Royal Caribbean can deny emotional support dogs on their ships. Some of the airlines are now requiring a letter from a doctor stating the dog owners mental state that requires the need to have the dog fly with them....what is funny is now there are those doctors (???) who are now on line offering these letters.

Agree..ships not covered so they can make this choice. You can also get fake ID online..many websites but thats another story!

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Here is my issue. People who need service dogs have real issues. People who have “emotional support” animals have, in my opinion, mental issues. I am allergic to animals. I love them but they make me itch and sneeze and have breathing problems. If airlines ban peanuts, and more people are allergic to dogs and cats than nuts, why must I put up with these “emotional support” animals?

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Legitimate Registered Service Animals are one thing and an absolute necessity for those needing them. People using the system to transport their animals free of charge or avoiding having to pay for care of their animals while they travel is another. I cannot imagine trying to evacuate an aircraft/vessel in an emergency with ponies, dogs, cats, rabbits, and whatever that are not trained service animals. So, does the pony get to go down the aircraft slide first, tear it up with it's hooves, and render it useless for the 150 plus people onboard?

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I fully agree that emotional support animals should not be allowed on cruises. However, why would we think RCCL/Celebrity would be any more likely to enforce this than other rules they have made? Half the posts on this forum are complaints about rules they set but then refuse to enforce because of their fear of offending a handful of passengers.

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I do not liked ESA’s , especially pit bulls. There are just to many tragic stories about this breed of animal.

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Sure hope there is a mini-horse on my next SW flight!

Wilbuur! Do I get to go along? You have to be a child of the 50's-60's to get this.

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Wilbuur! Do I get to go along? You have to be a child of the 50's-60's to get this.

No problem Mr. Ed.;)

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We saw the same exact thing on our last Equinox cruise a few months ago

 

 

 

Great! Last month on Equinox a couple pushed a dog around in a baby stroller. Ridiculous! Saw this in a dining venue to boot.

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At many public pools and waterparks in our area, they close the summer season with a "Doggie Splash" where you can bring your pet to swim along with you. After that, they drain and clean the pools. Maybe Celebrity should consider doing that the week before a ship is scheduled to go into drydock! I can see it now, instead of leaving a towel or flip-flips on a lounge to save it all day, you'd just let your pit bull guard it for you.

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Mini horses?!

 

The following post only applies to service animals. If you go back to post # 19 I posted a link to US Justice Department directive. The only animals that qualify as Service Animals are Dogs and under certain circumstances miniature horses. Nothing else.

 

Next time I fly I’m going to take my wife as my support person, that way she can fly for free.

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To be honest in the UK I had never seen or heard of an emotional support dog until I read CC.

Sorry, to me it is ridiculous. GOOD decision RCI and hope that other US lines follow. Looking on from outside the USA we have often said 'Only in America' (no offense) and are glad that someone 'over the pond' has seen sense.

 

Just to make it clear --- we have nothing other than the utmost respect for Guide Dogs for the Blind in the UK (know one very well .. woof) and Hearing Dogs for the Deaf etc as well as recognised dog support - what you would call service dogs in the US I imagine

 

I find that some people just take advantage and have read about the so called ES Dogs with open jaws. Unreal.

 

We have pets that we stress about leaving at home but they stay at home ---- well, in the K - E- N - N- E- L- S --- shhhhh

 

PS Hubby has just suggested that folk "take a teddy bear" If needs be --- sorry, made me laugh and I couldn't agree more. My 2 small ones come along every year .... but they stay in the cabin !!!

 

What a great post, Presto2!

 

Have truer words ever been spoken?

 

I'm from the US, and I find myself shaking my head daily at the number of dogs in the supermarket, department stores, restaurants etc. Some are in strollers, some in grocery carts, some just walking along beside their owners.

 

I am in full support of service animals (commonly dogs) who are invaluable to those with disabilities.

 

I don't hate animals. I have a pet cat and love her immensely. I have volunteered at my local humane society for going on 6 years now. But, pets have their place--for cats that typically means indoors at home.

 

Dogs have a slightly wider latitude--home, backyard, being walked around the neighborhood, local park, RV vacation, etc.

 

I have to say--here in Florida, at least--you kind of have to bite your tongue about this issue... Or you might find yourself at odds with friends or neighbors.

 

Recently, our neighbor asked my DH if he could drop her at the airport on his way to work since it's on his way. He said yes, of course, as we are friends with her and her DH.

 

When she got in DH's car with her dog wearing a red vest, DH was like, "Why's he wearing that?"

 

Without shame the first, she said, "I bought it online so he doesn't have to stay in his case and can sit on my lap on the plane."

 

DH was speechless.

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What a great post, Presto2!

 

Have truer words ever been spoken?

 

I'm from the US, and I find myself shaking my head daily at the number of dogs in the supermarket, department stores, restaurants etc. Some are in strollers, some in grocery carts, some just walking along beside their owners.

 

I am in full support of service animals (commonly dogs) who are invaluable to those with disabilities.

 

I don't hate animals. I have a pet cat and love her immensely. I have volunteered at my local humane society for going on 6 years now. But, pets have their place--for cats that typically means indoors at home.

 

Dogs have a slightly wider latitude--home, backyard, being walked around the neighborhood, local park, RV vacation, etc.

 

I have to say--here in Florida, at least--you kind of have to bite your tongue about this issue... Or you might find yourself at odds with friends or neighbors.

 

Recently, our neighbor asked my DH if he could drop her at the airport on his way to work since it's on his way. He said yes, of course, as we are friends with her and her DH.

 

When she got in DH's car with her dog wearing a red vest, DH was like, "Why's he wearing that?"

 

Without shame the first, she said, "I bought it online so he doesn't have to stay in his case and can sit on my lap on the plane."

 

DH was speechless.

When you say nothing, you become an enabler.

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The few service dogs we have seen on cruise ships were very well behaved, as were their human companions.

We would be happy to be on a cruise with them anytime.

 

You may have been on ships with them and not even noticed them because they are usually on the floor by their owner's feet in theaters and lounges, and under the table in restaurants.

It is a shame that the people with fake "emotional support" animals create a bad impression and cause problems for those with true service animals.

 

Yes!!

 

That's it exactly.

 

Sad that people are abusing the system with "fake" service animals (emotional support/comfort/anxiety animals--whatever), because this behavior makes for even tougher acceptance for truly disabled people who need that service animal just to get about in their daily lives.

 

Just to be clear, I know there's a real need for support animals for veterans suffering from ptsd, abuse victims etc. Not bashing them. Only against fakers who just want to take Fido along.

 

I would never fake needing a service animal or misuse handicapped parking spaces etc.

 

I'm appreciative that such is available to those that need them...

 

And thankful not to need them myself...

 

Thus far...

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When you say nothing, you become an enabler.

 

Agreed...

 

But sometimes you have to pick your battles.

 

IMHO DH did the right thing. Saying something wouldn't have changed anything in this instance.

 

I'm sure you don't go around chastising friends and neighbors on everything they do that you don't agree with either.

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We were on a transatlantic two years ago. There was a lady who was wheeled onboard in her wheelchair with an emotional support dog......The dog had a little vest labeled emotional support....it looked like a brown poodle. She was in the handicapped sky suite down the hall from us. She hobbled with her Cane all over the ship for the 16 nighter to Rome and was wheeled off by staff in each port. When we got to Rome, the first day we were walking down the Via Veneto and there she was in hiking boots with a backpack walking her dog with no vest.......Suddenly she was cured.....it must have been a miracle cruise.......Like the flights between NY and Florida.......They load 25 wheelchair passengers and 15 of them walk off the plane when we land.......Miraculous! ;) :D:D:D

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We were on a transatlantic two years ago. There was a lady who was wheeled onboard in her wheelchair with an emotional support dog......The dog had a little vest labeled emotional support....it looked like a brown poodle. She was in the handicapped sky suite down the hall from us. She hobbled with her Cane all over the ship for the 16 nighter to Rome and was wheeled off by staff in each port. When we got to Rome, the first day we were walking down the Via Veneto and there she was in hiking boots with a backpack walking her dog with no vest.......Suddenly she was cured.....it must have been a miracle cruise.......Like the flights between NY and Florida.......They load 25 wheelchair passengers and 15 of them walk off the plane when we land.......Miraculous! ;) :D:D:D

 

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I see no reason support animals shouldn't be registered, licensed and actually trained, as true service dogs are. I can also see no reason anyone who truly needed one wouldn't be glad to go through the process. Refusing to do this, or getting some fake certification should disallow the pet.

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There is no such thing as legitimate registration or licensure for service dogs in the US, and no specific training standards by any governmental body. There is an organization that has put out some training standards, and most SDs use them, but they are just recommended standards.

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Agreed...

 

But sometimes you have to pick your battles.

 

IMHO DH did the right thing. Saying something wouldn't have changed anything in this instance.

 

I'm sure you don't go around chastising friends and neighbors on everything they do that you don't agree with either.

Being on the board of our association has caused me to have some issues with neighbors. We do have a policy about cleaning up after your pet, for instance. I've had to impose $100 fines on neighbors that just won't follow rules & let their pets mess& just leave it there. Not a pleasant task, but if people won't follow rules, there can be consequences. We have a few smoker friends & that's caused issues with tossing butts, which are dirty & can cause fires. We don't have any friends who use any animal for support/comfort or special service.

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Term “emotional support” gets abused too. Emotional support = I get upset because my dog is at home/kennel. I worked at an animal hospital and we had people all the time trying to figure out how to get their dogs labeled for “emotional support”.

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Wouldn’t ADA regulations be irrelevant on a Maltese registered ship sailing in international waters? I mean, if the company wants to see proof of registration of a true service animal, then so be it.

What would be the situation when the cruise finishes in another country? Even a registered service dog would NOT be getting off in Australia, that’s for sure!

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Here’s the true test to find out if a dog is truly a service animal....and it really works.

 

Talk to the owner and admire the dog. Say how wonderful it is when service dogs allow folks to be independent and how amazing it is that dogs can be trained for so many support activities. Ask what kind of support their dog provides...and pause to wait for the answer. Ask how it was trained? How much does a service dog cost? Etc

 

The owners of true service dogs love their animals as part of the family and are happy to talk about them. The frauds start to clam up and get nervous...they shut you off.

 

Try it...,you’ll be shocked at how many owners almost panic if you ask about their precious fifi...

 

 

 

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Really? I agree with the new policy...however, I would find your questions highly personal and none of your business.

 

On another note...years ago, I was on line waiting to check in and the gentleman in front had a parrot on his shoulder. The parrot kept saying "Hi Sweetie". He claimed it was his support animal. He was still arguing when we moved on.

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Ha, Ha. Good one. And to answer AU pilot, yes, it was that cruise. I would think that anyone with blood sugar sensitivities would be able to tell when they need a boost. without a dog to sense it. Or am I just misinformed about this?

 

Yes you are misinformed. Sorry

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Wouldn’t ADA regulations be irrelevant on a Maltese registered ship sailing in international waters? I mean, if the company wants to see proof of registration of a true service animal, then so be it.

What would be the situation when the cruise finishes in another country? Even a registered service dog would NOT be getting off in Australia, that’s for sure!

There is no registry for service animals, so there is no proof to show.

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There is no registry for service animals, so there is no proof to show.

That's why there is so much fraud...No accountability. That & the people on here who seem to think it's ok to cheat the system.:mad:

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I’m sure there could be proof in existence somewhere other than a US registry of service animals. For example, proof of registration/training/graduation from a recognised service dog association such as Guide Dogs for the Blind etc. There would be logical ways of sorting the real from the imagined if they really wanted to.

Cruise lines, Celebrity included, must meet food standards in the countries they travel to. US Public Health standards are hardly the overarching law in an international setting.

Plenty of Celebrity Cruises don’t hit US ports at all.

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That's why there is so much fraud...No accountability. That & the people on here who seem to think it's ok to cheat the system.:mad:

 

Correct but the most compelling reason is that you are not allowed under the ADA to ask for any type of ID.

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I’m sure there could be proof in existence somewhere other than a US registry of service animals. For example, proof of registration/training/graduation from a recognised service dog association such as Guide Dogs for the Blind etc. There would be logical ways of sorting the real from the imagined if they really wanted to.

Cruise lines, Celebrity included, must meet food standards in the countries they travel to. US Public Health standards are hardly the overarching law in an international setting.

Plenty of Celebrity Cruises don’t hit US ports at all.

There could be something for some dogs from the organization where they were trained, but not all and it is illegal in the United States to ask for any kind of supporting documents other than those that show they are in good health and have all their shots, prior to boarding the ship. All they can ask is "is your dog a service dog" and "what task do they perform", this all they can ask legally.

 

There are still going to be those fakers who claim their pet/emotional support dog is a service dog. The only way for Celebrity or any other companies, for that matter, to combat these liars is to kick dogs off or out that are not behaving properly (and for the record, that should be a true service dog who are acting inappropriately). Kick dogs and their owners off if the dog, does their business in a place other than their designated area, barks or growls at passengers or crew, snaps/bites at crew or passengers, sits on tables or chairs, is fed from the table using one's hands or dishes, jumps at people, runs loose without leash, etc. BTW, all of these things have been reported that emotional support dogs have done on ships.

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Correct but the most compelling reason is that you are not allowed under the ADA to ask for any type of ID.

Yes, true. It should be changed, however. This amazingly stupid & complex law was written almost to purposely "allow" for fraud to take place. The laws need to be properly amended to help eliminate fraud. It's really NOT hard to do.

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How is it that airlines are allowed to require letters from mental health professionals attesting to the need for an emotional support dog?

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It is about time. I hope all other cruise lines follow suit. Unlike true service dogs, many emotional support dogs are not well trained.

I have to agree with you there. Seems most are just listed so the owner can bring their pet along. I love my dog but she doesn’t belong on a cruise.

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How is it that airlines are allowed to require letters from mental health professionals attesting to the need for an emotional support dog?

 

Different law that applies to support dogs not service animals.

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