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Hi everyone. 

 

Is there no one reporting  from the Current SeaDream  I crossing. 

 

Saw that they were in Tenerife  Yesterday, but then today they are in Las Palmas.  

Do they usually do two stops  before crossing over?

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Was wondering the same thing as I see from Marine Traffic web site just now (815 AM PDT in LA on Friday) that SD1 is still in the second port there - Las Palmas - for the second day in a row after having been in Tenerife a few days ago.  Hmmm.   Hope all is well and welcome any news or intel.  Could be bad weather?  SD1 did just come out of drydock in Lisbon but that shouldn’t explain it.

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1 hour ago, JES4845 said:

Was wondering the same thing as I see from Marine Traffic web site just now (815 AM PDT in LA on Friday) that SD1 is still in the second port there - Las Palmas - for the second day in a row after having been in Tenerife a few days ago.  Hmmm.   Hope all is well and welcome any news or intel.  Could be bad weather?  SD1 did just come out of drydock in Lisbon but that shouldn’t explain it.

I have heard from a usually reliable source that they had to put back due to an engine problem.  Flew some experts in.  Would love to hear from some onboard.  39 year old ships tend to have "issues" from time to time.

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Jim,  you clearly have better sources.  Sad and concerning to hear especially since she is just out of drydock and presumably underwent some kind of engine check and overhaul during that process.  They’ve been using that same Lisbon shipyard in recent years but with issues albeit smaller ones post-drydock each time on the subsequent TA.  Please share your insights while we all wish crew, guests and passengers a quick repair.

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Thanks for the information JIm... and sad to hear this. 

 

We have had problems with SDII leaving dry dock on a number of trips.  They were often related to air conditioner problems and several other issues. 

 

The company should find a reliable dry dock to put into, and then get the necessary repairs and updates done on time.  

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On board Seadream 1 right now.

We will be in Las Palmas until Thursday, and the boat going to dry dock for repair on Tuesday, Wednesday (earliest available slot). Better safe than sorry.

Then we hopefully we shall head straight to Barbados, with arrival planned for December 8th.

so the TA isn’t cancelled, but 1 week behind. Seadream is taking very good care of us in the mean time including generous options if people have to go home. Unfortunately the St Martin to Barbados trip was cancelled.

 

On a positive note, the weather in Gran Canaria has been lovely for the past couple of days.

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Glad to hear that you're making lemonade out of lemons. I hope that things go well for all aboard.

 

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On 11/23/2018 at 9:57 AM, Jim Avery said:

Sorry, 35 year old ships......

Maybe she's lying about her age!

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Thanks to The French Guy for the on the ground update.  Glad all are well and per usual SD is taking good care of all concerned.   Please keep us posted as events unfold.  Enjoy the extra time there and may the good weather continue!

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1 minute ago, JES4845 said:

Thanks to The French Guy for the on the ground update.  Glad all are well and per usual SD is taking good care of all concerned.   Please keep us posted as events unfold.  Enjoy the extra time there and may the good weather continue!

I second JES.  Nothing like on the scene info.🍸😎

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2 hours ago, wripro said:

Maybe she's lying about her age!

Hello Henry,

She looks pretty good for an old broad.....😳

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Thanks, French Guy!  Agree with Beignet Boy -- there were lots and lots of problems on SD II coming out of drydock in Lisbon for the fall 2017 crossing.  Doesn't appear that Lisbon is the best place to go.

And, of course, many of us remember the lost engine on SD I a few years back......

Vandrefalk 

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20 hours ago, Jim Avery said:

Hello Henry,

She looks pretty good for an old broad.....😳

Like with the rest of us a good coat of paint works wonders!

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On 11/25/2018 at 12:52 PM, TheFrenchGuy said:

On board Seadream 1 right now.

We will be in Las Palmas until Thursday, and the boat going to dry dock for repair on Tuesday, Wednesday (earliest available slot). Better safe than sorry.

Then we hopefully we shall head straight to Barbados, with arrival planned for December 8th.

so the TA isn’t cancelled, but 1 week behind. Seadream is taking very good care of us in the mean time including generous options if people have to go home. Unfortunately the St Martin to Barbados trip was cancelled.

 

On a positive note, the weather in Gran Canaria has been lovely for the past couple of days.

 

Curious as to any updates you or others can share ... by the looks of things form afar, at least via Marine Traffic’s website, SD1 hasn’t moved in several days and remains anchored offshore in port, not in drydock.  Hope repairs or other arrangements are underway.  All the best to those involved.

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On 11/25/2018 at 2:59 PM, vandrefalk said:

And, of course, many of us remember the lost engine on SD I a few years back......

Vandrefalk 

It was quite a trip, but we did make it through the Canal.

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Came off for a flight home last Sunday as we had to be back for 2nd December. It took a while for SD to finally accept that she had to go into dry dock again. We were in limbo from the first news on Wednesday evening until 19.30 on Friday. Back to backers get a good deal I understand, but TA pax have been offerd a refund of voyage fare + flight home [economy] which sucks if the original return flight was Premium, Business or First, and moeover on a travel agents non-refundable basis.

The crew as usual were brilliant, but the whole thing has been exhausting, especially trying to re-arrange travel plans over a weekend.

 

I'm afraid the old girl is tired, and now showing her age.

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Dry dock has been delayed twice by the yard, as the ship occupying Seadream 1’s slot has not been released on time. New estimates are dry dock on Friday, and in Barbados on Monday the 10th.

We are now trying to make a decision, as unfortunately real life (the dreaded work thingy) would be a smudge overdue.

the crew has been absolutely fantastic.

 

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Thanks much for the update.  Must be frustrating but glad to hear again that the crew is as always going above and beyond the call of duty with excellent service and other arrangements.  I would imagine a number of passengers have already had to fly home from Gran Canaria or Las Palmas.  Would be curious to learn how many were originally booked on the TA and how many remain with you onboard.  Smooth travels to all.

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Awwww, this is so sad.   I adore everything about seadream. The staff, chef, food, size of the yacht- she’s like a second home.   But dang!  Get those engines fixed !  Stop throwing $$$ to accommodate us when there is an engine problem and just replace the damn things.  Okay, I’ve vented.   Merry Christmas 

 

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Agree with you cburger100 ... but Jim A and others with a more technical marine background can educate the rest of us on the feasibility of just replacing the engines ... my recollection from past board chats on this important topic is that it is much more complicated given how the engines are interwoven with other critical systems.  All positive thoughts to all impacted by this unfortunate turn of events.  I could be mistaken, but sure seems like SD1 has had more of these issues than SD2, no?

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You are correct, JES.  I believe Jim (Roll Tide!) has already commented that it isn't a simple matter of replacing the engines.  It seems they won't fit through the door. :classic_smile:  It was SD1 that broke down on the way to the Panama Canal a few years ago, but wasn't it SD2 that had the fire last year that required the ship to be abandoned?  That was an engine issue, too, if I remember correctly.  What if they put up a sail and clamped a couple of Evinrude's onto the marina?  Or, they can do like the Queen Mary I and just plant one boat on a Caribbean island and one on an island in the Med.  Keep the crew, keep the cuisine, keep the TOY bar.  Just don't go anywhere.  Zimmy and I would book a week or two.

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Love it and such a positive post, but let’s get real.  I mean REAL.   She’s a great yacht, we clearly are smitten with the crew, I mean we ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ them, and the Chef, OMG, and geez everyone on board - well please - we can send men to the moon lickity split, but can’t modify this gal to get all of us around on the Earths magnificent waters ?   I pray 🙏 someone genius comes up with a solution.   

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TrapperZ ... thanks for the confirmation.  Wasn’t the fire incident you mentioned on SD1 as well?  Of course we all assume, quite correctly no doubt, that the twins are a pair - they couldn’t really operate with only one of them, so let’s all pray for a solution soon.  A check via Marine Traffic just now (6 AM EST 30 Nov) shows SD1 still waiting for room at the shipyard for drydock, so that suggests yet another delay.  My better half and I said if only we were both retired (that’s next year) we would call up and fly over to escort her on the eventual TA!  Given the realities of life for those onboard as others posted, most of the original passengers will have made other arrangements to get home by now.  Thanks again to cburger100 and TheFrenchGuy plus Jim A (Roll Tide!) for all insights.

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UPDATE: SD1 GOING INTO DRYDOCK.  Pleased to report that per the Marine Traffic web site, SD1 is apparently going into dry dock around 9 AM EST so that’s good news.  Let’s hope the work doesn’t take long and the TA can proceed soon.

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3 hours ago, JES4845 said:

UPDATE: SD1 GOING INTO DRYDOCK.  Pleased to report that per the Marine Traffic web site, SD1 is apparently going into dry dock around 9 AM EST so that’s good news.  Let’s hope the work doesn’t take long and the TA can proceed soon.

Let's hope the work is not just a bandaid. Either fix the problem completely or with great sadness let go of the ships. The alternative will be more situations like this crossing which in the end must cost Sea Dream a ton of money. jmo.

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2 minutes ago, wripro said:

Let's hope the work is not just a bandaid. Either fix the problem completely or with great sadness let go of the ships. The alternative will be more situations like this crossing which in the end must cost Sea Dream a ton of money. jmo.

 

Of course need to know the extent of the engine issue and the repairs required.  I was delayed several hours on a United flight last week because of lightbulb and socket that needed to be replaced in the cockpit.  Then again we’ve all faced major delays over more significant mechanical issues, so the reality is in the details.  Perhaps those onboard can enlighten us on those details.  True these things cost money and SD is usually pretty generous in the compensation.  Not sure if business interruption insurance would help out on those costs or not.

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Thanks to all for these updates. Is SD1 in dry dock now.? We were due to sail from Barbados on the 8th,  we’ve now been give an expected date of the 10th and we're beginning to wonder  whether the ship will arrive in time for the rescheduled sailing. By the way we’ve seen no evidence of the generous compensation mentioned by others above. 

We’ d be grateful  to hear any news. 

Thanks. 

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You can keep track of her on MarineTraffic.com as long as she is in or near land/port.  Pretty sure it is free via the web site and the app (though there are premium versions).

 

Type in SeaDream in the upper right hand corner.  I just checked now - Sat. Dec. 1 at 6 AM Eastern Time US - and she is still in drydock only having arrived there just yesterday because, per earlier postings here, another ship took longer in the yard than expected.  

 

Since today is a Saturday, I just don’t know if the yard works on weekends or not.  Also don’t know how long the repair will take.   This is sort of like an airline flight delay - the delay usually grows longer not shorter over time.  Others who have done the TA can educate the rest of us, but from tracking SD TA’s  in the past it is at least 10 days from the Canary Islands to Barbados, so I’d be skeptical about a Dec. 10 departure.  Hope I am wrong for everyone’s sake, just being honest.  Others please chime in!

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In answer to an earlier question:

45 pax on the TA

AFAIK 11 got off and I intending to join, so potentially 36 for revised TA, but I know others would also have to leave if they couldn't be in Barbados by 8 December.

 

We were told "There is a technical problem in the engine room. I am not happy to proceed on a TA crossing". The fact that she has to be dry docked points to a problem below the water line. There was also an unsubstantiated rumour that she was letting in water. Clearly the Lloyd's engineer from Cadiz wasn't happy.

Now I'm not a marine engineeer, but could it be a problem with the sea water inlet for the engine cooling ? We know she will happily run on one engine, [as we did in 2016 after the fire, when we left Malaga on one engine, picked up spares in Madeira and were finally two engined some 5 days out of Barbados] but on a TA with one engine out of action, what do you do if t'other goes kaput in mid-Atlantic.............?

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Thanks everyone for the updates. Looks increasingly unlikely that the ship will reach Bridgetown for the 10th. ☹️

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47 minutes ago, oliveau said:

In answer to an earlier question:

45 pax on the TA

AFAIK 11 got off and I intending to join, so potentially 36 for revised TA, but I know others would also have to leave if they couldn't be in Barbados by 8 December.

 

We were told "There is a technical problem in the engine room. I am not happy to proceed on a TA crossing". The fact that she has to be dry docked points to a problem below the water line. There was also an unsubstantiated rumour that she was letting in water. Clearly the Lloyd's engineer from Cadiz wasn't happy.

Now I'm not a marine engineeer, but could it be a problem with the sea water inlet for the engine cooling ? We know she will happily run on one engine, [as we did in 2016 after the fire, when we left Malaga on one engine, picked up spares in Madeira and were finally two engined some 5 days out of Barbados] but on a TA with one engine out of action, what do you do if t'other goes kaput in mid-Atlantic.............?

You are right in that if it needs a haul out it involves more than just the engine itself.  It could very well be a sea chest/sea ***** problem as they do fail with age or it could involve the shaft stuffing box that keeps the sea water from coming in around the propeller shaft.  The engines are all 4 the same model (two on each ship) and are reportedly the originals.  These two ships were originally Sea Goddess I and II.  They originally were on more or less permanent world cruises.  They have lots and lots of miles under their keels and many thousands of engine hours run time.  The biggest problem when SD I had the broken crankshaft was finding the parts for engines no longer made.  I understand they scoured the world for a spare crankshaft and found one where the identical engine was powering a lighthouse generator.  The crankshaft might have had some manufacturing defect causing the failure but the other three crankshafts are original.  In order to put in new engines  would involve cutting away some of the superstructure for access.  When the old engines came out it would then involve a complete stripping of the engine space.  Then the repair/restoration of any exposed areas, new engine mounts, new supply lines, tanks, pumps, controls, on and on and on.  It would require the owners to make a major commitment to running the ships somewhere around another 20 years to hope for any financial payback.  Only they can speak to if that will occur.  Without such commitment though it is inevitable that there will be more issues such as SD I has had.  SD II is one year newer and seems to have a few mechanical differences.  I have spoken with one of the Engineers in the past and he confirmed engine mounts and a few ancillary mechanicals are an upgraded version.  If you have noticed, standing in the pool on SD I and you feel plenty of vibration, it even makes your voice sound a bit off.  Standing in SD II's pool has none of that.  Better type engine mounts.  There are probably more items but I have not been in the engine space of either.  As with you all, we have loved our SD voyages (well there was that one with 30 kids) and wish all those onboard well.  We shall see what happens.

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She doesn't appear to have moved since going into dry dock. Not looking good for getting to Barbados.

Very sad

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Mr Avery:   Your post here finally makes sense to me.  It’s a LOT more daunting than just replacing an engine.   Hubby has been in the engine room twice - SD1 and SD2.   He’s been trying to explain to me how complicated an operation this would be, I guess I just could not digest it until now.   This makes me quite sad, and I wonder what the fate will be.   Does Lloyd’s of London have any say so or is this up to the owner ?  

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Cocoyote - good catch on watch as she was still in drydock when I checked about 4-5 hours ago.  Highly likely then that work was done over the weekend.  Hopefully we will soon learn from those there and those here with good sources just what the new TA timing will be.  We are all anxious to learn more.  Just last night I was with friends we helped introduce to SD and they’ve mainly been on SD1 with only one voyage on SD2.  My wife and I were onboard a year or so ago with a woman whose family had something to do with the design of the vessels.  She said the basic structures are sound for many more years to come, but as we know that doesn’t capture operational issues after decades of near 24/7/365 engine use.  The technical crew onboard are unsung heroes along with the rest of the more visible public-facing crew.

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It looks like it left the harbor and is heading to Barbados. We are booked on the shortened cruise for December 10.

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Thanks for posting all this, we have booked our first SD voyage,   the Eastbound T/A for next spring on SD1 and can cancel now for just a $50 penalty each.  I think having read all of this we might do that, we have not arranged any flights yet.

 

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