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I just watched a couple of walkthrough videos of the new Celebrity Edge. I'm impressed! What I worried was going to be too much of a whimsical, technology-driven ship actually appears to be a beautiful, modern, well laid out vessel. A masterpiece? It's too early to tell- we will have to wait to see how she functions under full capacity. Sure, there are some odd components of the ship, such as the Eden venue, which doesn't seem too sure of what it wants to be. But Celebrity has mastered the art of open public spaces (we already knew that, given the Solstice class design). Just check out the Edge's tall ceilings and windows in the buffet area. And it's outside garden on the top deck. Wonderful spaces. I love HAL, but HAL seems to favor tighter spaces, lower ceilings, and lengthy corridors over open areas. 

 

After seeing videos of the Edge, I must say, I'm jealous! I'm currently booked on the Nieuw Statendam, and don't get me wrong, I'm very excited to sail on her. But I have a bit of ship envy now. Too bad Edge's pricing is so high at the moment, which I suspect is the result of much enthusiasm for this new ship. 

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You are  very correct  the pricing is way too high for Edge  .HAL's  value is better imo  :classic_biggrin: 

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Very excited from what I saw on the Edge video but for now this ship is to expensive for our likings. I can get almost as much on the Solstice class. As for HAL newer builts they are nice but not the same feeling or crowd. 

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22 minutes ago, sppunk said:

For her prices you can cruise a premium and luxury line.

 

But this way you can cruise with 3000 other people on itineraries to basically no where. No wonder they make the onboard experience so distracting and  "high energy". Might be cheaper to just check into  a luxury hotel. Crowds would be smaller.  No thank you. But it is good there are ships like this out there to harvest off this  share of the market.

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Price is where supply and demand meet, no? The ship must be selling fairly well at that price point, and I recently heard that Edge bolstered Royal Caribbean's recent earnings report. So we can gripe about the price, but value is entirely subjective, and people are voting with their dollars. I was shocked, but pleased, to find that our Nieuw Statemdam sailing was one of the most affordable offered by that tier of cruise lines. But it also made me a little worried for HAL that it's shiniest, newest ship did not come with a premium price. 

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6 minutes ago, stickey_mouse said:

Price is where supply and demand meet, no? The ship must be selling fairly well at that price point, and I recently heard that Edge bolstered Royal Caribbean's recent earnings report. So we can gripe about the price, but value is entirely subjective, and people are voting with their dollars. I was shocked, but pleased, to find that our Nieuw Statemdam sailing was one of the most affordable offered by that tier of cruise lines. But it also made me a little worried for HAL that it's shiniest, newest ship did not come with a premium price. 

 

HAL is forced to offer low prices right now to get travel industry attention because no one can find them, let alone book their cruises, on the new HAL website. 

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1 hour ago, OlsSalt said:

 

But this way you can cruise with 3000 other people on itineraries to basically no where. No wonder they make the onboard experience so distracting and  "high energy". Might be cheaper to just check into  a luxury hotel. Crowds would be smaller.  No thank you. But it is good there are ships like this out there to harvest off this  share of the market.

 

I still consider myself a novice cruiser so can't address the "itineraries to nowhere" comment, but I do know the itineraries I compared between HAL and Edge were nearly identical. 

 

And correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the passenger space ratio for the Edge better than that of the Koningsdam and even that of the Nieuw Amsterdam?

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3 minutes ago, OlsSalt said:

For comparison- 7 days in the Spanish Garden Inn in Santa Barbara vs 7 days on The Edge in a low end verandah cabin:

http://www.spanishgardeninn.com

 

So, for the price, the Spanish Garden includes all meals, alcohol, entertainment, casino access, and transportation to various ports? Ya know, just since we're comparing. 

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It seems on all these new mega ships the ship is the destination and not the itinerary. They want people to spend time and money on the ship. They may as well just cruise around in circles off the coast for a week. 

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My bet is with the HAL fleet  & we are Elite + level with Celebrity . We live here in the San Diego cruising market & both Celebrity & Royal Caribbean just will not home port  one of their ships here in southern California  ,either SD or San Pedro . Additionally ,as a Carnival corp share holder we can get extra on board credits added to what we get from our TA  & the cruise line  

 

 The problem with Celebrity or Royal Caribbean is that any special deals are never combinable for share holder credit  .That is another turn off for us 

 

 We will be sailing on 3 HAL cruises & then 3 Princess cruises  with in this next year  . Because Celebrity & Royal Caribbean ships require us to fly to them ,is another reason we prefer HAL & Princess .We save the airfare cost & hassles of todays flying 

 

 Celebrity has just 10 ships  &  Princess got a better rating that Celebrity  

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I don't care how glitzy she is or how expensive she is or what all is included in some of the categories, she is just too big for us.  Just looking at her outsides, and she is ugly.

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I like the Solstice class ships of Celebrity but I wondered if the Edge would end up being "a bridge too far" for me.  Jury is still out as far as I'm concerned. I wouldn't book that type of ship for a destination-focused cruise, but Celebrity for the moment has been my go-to line for things like a New Years Caribbean cruise with my son. However, at current prices, I wouldn't book Edge...  

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5 hours ago, mcrcruiser said:

 Celebrity has just 10 ships  &  Princess got a better rating that Celebrity  

 

Better rating at what exactly? 

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My travel agent posted some pic's.  She is a beauty for sure.  However, I love HAL and will be staying with them.  

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I believe that RCI,  Celebrity, Royal Caribbean, and Azamara, have left all of the Carnival Corp cruise lines in the dust when it comes to cruise ship design and innovation.  We have not sailed on the big RCI ships.  They are not our preference.  Clearly others do like them.   I believe that RCI is differentiating themselves from others in marketplace through innovative design and on board offerings.  They always seem to be headed where the puck is going, not where it was in the last play.

 

It seems to me that they are continuing this lead.  Not certain if we will end up sailing on the new platform or not.  We are not hung up on what cruise line we sail on.  However after our first sailing on Equinox, a Solstice class ship, the first thing DW asks me when we have our choice narrowed down to two or three ships is if one of them is a Solstice class ship  (as opposed to asking if the cruise line is Celebrity).

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8 minutes ago, iancal said:

I believe that RCI,  Celebrity, Royal Caribbean, and Azamara, have left all of the Carnival Corp cruise lines in the dust when it comes to cruise ship design and innovation.  We have not sailed on the big RCI ships.  They are not our preference.  Clearly others do like them.   I believe that RCI is differentiating themselves from others in marketplace through innovative design and on board offerings.  They always seem to be headed where the puck is going, not where it was in the last play.

 

It seems to me that they are continuing this lead.  Not certain if we will end up sailing on the new platform or not.  We are not hung up on what cruise line we sail on.  However after our first sailing on Equinox, a Solstice class ship, the first thing DW asks me when we have our choice narrowed down to two or three ships is if one of them is a Solstice class ship  (as opposed to asking if the cruise line is Celebrity).

 

I agree 100%. The Celebrity brand is very much full speed ahead right now, which I think will pay dividends for them in the coming years. I applaud HAL for trying to be a little more progressive with its most recent ships, but will it be enough? 

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7 hours ago, Krazy Kruizers said:

I don't care how glitzy she is or how expensive she is or what all is included in some of the categories, she is just too big for us.  Just looking at her outsides, and she is ugly.

 

I take it you also didn't like the K-dam? 

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IMO...you can have large passenger vessels...I'll stick with the smaller ones and not feel like your a $$$ sign to those large vessels..again just MO

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14 minutes ago, a.madruga said:

IMO...you can have large passenger vessels...I'll stick with the smaller ones and not feel like your a $$$ sign to those large vessels..again just MO

 

Just curious, but where do you draw the line in the HAL fleet?

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I have done a great deal of research since the time of construction until now.

I have watched a few quite informative video tours of the ship.

And I have received clarification of a few critically important details from people currently on board, and directly from those who did video tours.

 

Celebrity Edge reality

1. Class segregation as a manifest of the company's way of cruising. Access to the premium part of the ship is suite guests only. No free access to the front deck unless you pay for the spa pass. Forward views are not for the plebs.

2. Design (think of the Eurodam as a benchmark for comparison)

2.1 No observation lounge. Imagine Eurodam without the Crow's Nest.

2.1 No promenade deck. Imagine the Eurodam without this.

2.2 No "serene" sun deck. Imagine the Eurodam without the sun decks above the Crow's Nest and Tamarind.

2.3  No proper spa. Imagine the Eurodam without the T-pool in the spa.

2.4 No sports court. Imagine no sports court on the Eurodam.

2.5 No open pool area for adults. Imagine the Eurodam without the aft pool.

2.5 Narrowed cabins (somewhat compensated by the "balcony-porch combos").

 

No, no, and more nos.

 

So what has left?

 

One of the members answered this question long time ago.

Improvements over the Solstice class?

Yes.

1. The family pool now has the real pool size (similar to TUI ships).

2. The aft looking lounge (also imported from TUI ships).

 

Neither plus, nor minus

Transformation of the traditional balconies.

 

Innovations?

Other than the way the balconies are done - marketing dust.

"Leave the "Magic carpet" and "Rooftop Garden" behind".

 

What is the age of the Edge?

It's 10 years old now. MSC Cruises launched their first Edge in 2008 giving a start to a "new" (last century) trend - class segregation on cruise ships.

 

Overall the ship is another step down from the original Solstice class (with every new ship, gradual bulging of the "suite life" and shrinking of cruising experience for 90% of the passengers are obvious).

 

Envy?

No. As a cruise critic I am generous giving this ship 3.3* - 3.4* .

As a frequent cruiser and ship lover, I will take a cruise on this ship (same way I cruise on Carnival, MSC and all other cruise lines) when Celebrity offers a good itinerary (4 ports) in the Caribbean, and prices go to "from $500 pp".

 

Celebrity Edge appearance

Just to note. There is a lot of jokes about the ugly look of the new ship (from "Flat Iron" to "Float Iron", etc.) But I am fine with this. I see no reason to reduce the ship's rating just for the appearance.  

 

Although I underline it wherever possible that we compare ships, not mythical "HAL" vs "Celebrity", I have to underline another thing: HAL philosophy and ethical values have been far ahead of Celebrity. They are a century ahead now.

 

Happy cruising!

 

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15 hours ago, stickey_mouse said:

I just watched a couple of walkthrough videos of the new Celebrity Edge. I'm impressed! . . . Just check out the Edge's tall ceilings and windows in the buffet area. . . .

We were on the Celebrity Eclipse (launched 2010) in 2014 .  Its buffet area also had tall ceilings and windows. Also, multiple food stations so never much of a line to get what you wanted.  Loved that space!

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1 hour ago, iancal said:

I believe that RCI,  Celebrity, Royal Caribbean, and Azamara, have left all of the Carnival Corp cruise lines in the dust when it comes to cruise ship design and innovation.  We have not sailed on the big RCI ships.  They are not our preference.  Clearly others do like them.   I believe that RCI is differentiating themselves from others in marketplace through innovative design and on board offerings.  They always seem to be headed where the puck is going, not where it was in the last play.

 

It seems to me that they are continuing this lead.  Not certain if we will end up sailing on the new platform or not.  We are not hung up on what cruise line we sail on.  However after our first sailing on Equinox, a Solstice class ship, the first thing DW asks me when we have our choice narrowed down to two or three ships is if one of them is a Solstice class ship  (as opposed to asking if the cruise line is Celebrity).

 

Pretty much agree.  We are not celebrity cheerleaders but have sailed  them previously.  

The decor of Edge is pretty gorgeous and reminds me of Viking Ocean. Layout of the atrium levels reminds me of Viking Ocean which has a stunning look. 

Edge space per passenger is very good for mass market at 44.  Kdam (dumb name that I cannot spell ) is 37.   Space per passenger is more important than generalizing whether a ship is big or small. 

 

I totally get the price Edge commands and will consider trying it out. 

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18 minutes ago, sammiedawg said:

 

 

Edge space per passenger is very good for mass market at 44.  Kdam (dumb name that I cannot spell ) is 37.   Space per passenger is more important than generalizing whether a ship is big or small.

 

This is how marketing tricks and insufficient statistics are sold to us innocent.

Of course, space per passenger is more important than generalizing whether a ship is big or small. But we need to fully realize what "space per passenger" really is.

There are better HAL ship for comparisons.

The more important:

1. Open deck space is not included in tonnage. The Edge is lacking promenade deck. An important part if the ship is cut off in favor of the Suite Class, "leaving 86% of passengers behind".

2. Balconies on the Edge are covered, so, unlike on other ships, this space is now included in tonnage.

 

We cannot judge by tricky numbers only. Sometimes it's misleading.

 

Roughly consider real space pp on the Edge about 20% less than  the Niew Amsterdam, and 5% less or equal vs Koningsdam.

 

Happy cruising!

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18 minutes ago, ronbe65 said:

Celebrity Edge reality

1. Class segregation as a manifest of the company's way of cruising. Access to the premium part of the ship is suite guests only. No free access to the front deck unless you pay for the spa pass. Forward views are not for the plebs.

Premium part of the ship? Not sure what you mean here. You mean the suite sundeck? While it looks fantastic, I'm not sure it is "premium," as the ship as a whole looks great.

2. Design (think of the Eurodam as a benchmark for comparison)

2.1 No observation lounge. Imagine Eurodam without the Crow's Nest.

The observation lounge has been moved down = The Eden

2.1 No promenade deck. Imagine the Eurodam without this.

2.2 No "serene" sun deck. Imagine the Eurodam without the sun decks above the Crow's Nest and Tamarind.

I will take a Celebrity solarium over a "serene" sun deck anyway. One of my favorite spaces on a Celebrity ship.

2.3  No proper spa. Imagine the Eurodam without the T-pool in the spa.

Not sure what you mean by a "proper" spa, or if that's just your opinion of what a spa should have?

2.4 No sports court. Imagine no sports court on the Eurodam.

On two HAL cruises, I have only ever seen children using a sports court. I won't miss it. 

2.5 No open pool area for adults. Imagine the Eurodam without the aft pool.

Edge has an open air pool. It's not aft, but..?

2.5 Narrowed cabins (somewhat compensated by the "balcony-porch combos").
Another industry-wide cruise trend. I've read so many similar comments about K-dam. I don't like it, but I appreciate the added square footage of interior space brought by the new balcony concept. 

 

Innovations?

Other than the way the balconies are done - marketing dust.

"Leave the "Magic carpet" and "Rooftop Garden" behind".

I personally think the Rooftop Garden is stunning, and a great melding of the "large TV on deck" trend with a comfortable space. I could live without the Magic Carpet. And "other than the way the balconies are done"- don't write this off. I think this is an amazing idea, and other cruise lines will follow suit. 

 

What is the age of the Edge?

It's 10 years old now. MSC Cruises launched their first Edge in 2008 giving a start to a "new" (last century) trend - class segregation on cruise ships.

No, the Edge is about a week old. You can't bash a ship for being based on an older design. It's like my saying the Rotterdam is 100 years old because it is based on a classic design. 

 

 

 

I, too, have done a great deal of research and disagree with a lot of what you say. I've added some comments above, in orange/red. But to each their own, opinions are just that. 

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10 minutes ago, ronbe65 said:

This is how marketing tricks and insufficient statistics are sold to us innocent.

Of course, space per passenger is more important than generalizing whether a ship is big or small. But we need to fully realize what "space per passenger" really is.

There are better HAL ship for comparisons.

The more important:

1. Open deck space is not included in tonnage. The Edge is lacking promenade deck. An important part if the ship is cut off in favor of the Suite Class, "leaving 86% of passengers behind".

2. Balconies on the Edge are covered, so, unlike on other ships, this space is now included in tonnage.

 

We cannot judge by tricky numbers only. Sometimes it's misleading.

 

Roughly consider real space pp on the Edge about 20% less than  the Niew Amsterdam, and 5% less or equal vs Koningsdam.

 

Happy cruising!

 

While I agree that the ratio is not a definite mark of a ship's use of space, it is certainly a factor to consider and does a good job of generalizing the space to passenger makeup of the ship. But I don't think anybody chooses a cruise based only on this figure. 

 

And the suite cutoff is not an issue for me. I really don't think it leaves "86% of the passengers behind." It is made to be as unobtrusive as possible. When I sailed on the Norwegian Getaway, never once did I think, "Hey, where is the other 5% of this ship!?" Regardless of what I think, though, I think this is the future of the industry. Club Orange is just the start with HAL. 

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11 minutes ago, stickey_mouse said:

And the suite cutoff is not an issue for me. I really don't think it leaves "86% of the passengers behind." It is made to be as unobtrusive as possible. When I sailed on the Norwegian Getaway, never once did I think, "Hey, where is the other 5% of this ship!?" Regardless of what I think, though, I think this is the future of the industry. Club Orange is just the start with HAL. 

 

I'm not a fan of this trend. I plan to stay with the smaller ships, given a choice, where such segregation isn't easily achieved.

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21 minutes ago, stickey_mouse said:

 

While I agree that the ratio is not a definite mark of a ship's use of space, it is certainly a factor to consider and does a good job of generalizing the space to passenger makeup of the ship. But I don't think anybody chooses a cruise based only on this figure. 

 

And the suite cutoff is not an issue for me. I really don't think it leaves "86% of the passengers behind." It is made to be as unobtrusive as possible. When I sailed on the Norwegian Getaway, never once did I think, "Hey, where is the other 5% of this ship!?" Regardless of what I think, though, I think this is the future of the industry. Club Orange is just the start with HAL. 

The Suite Class is as unobtrusive as is a locked door with some paid access can be.

The Getaway is a good example of what I just posted: we have to look at the ship first.

Although it's "officially" ship-within-a-ship too, it's designed in a more civilized way. The forward sun deck location, that is a mirror copy of the Haven top deck, is spacious, "serene" and access to all. There is access to forward views for all. The major Haven facilities are hidden inside, never an eyesore. That's why there are no issues with the Haven on the Getaway that is btw the best NCL ship to date.

 

Happy cruising!

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8 minutes ago, ronbe65 said:

The Suite Class is as unobtrusive as is a locked door with some paid access can be.

The Getaway is a good example of what I just posted: we have to look at the ship first.

Although it's "officially" ship-within-a-ship too, it's designed in a more civilized way. The forward sun deck location, that is a mirror copy of the Haven top deck, is spacious, "serene" and access to all. There is access to forward views for all. The major Haven facilities are hidden inside, never an eyesore. That's why there are no issues with the Haven on the Getaway that is btw the best NCL ship to date.

 

Happy cruising!

 

I didn't realize the suite class spaces on the Edge were an "eyesore." I didn't notice that on the walkthrough videos. And don't all ships have "locked door," paid access spaces? You must be anti-Retreat on the HAL ships. And trust me, although "spacious," the sun deck on the Getaway is as crowded as I've ever seen a ship. Talk about a ship that crams passengers in.. NCL has mastered that!

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My comments, and our opinion about Solstice class ships is not based on metrics, suites or anything else.  We typically always do the same...balcony cabin.

 

The only thing that it is based upon is our perceptions of the ship compared to the many other cruise ships that we have been fortunate to cruise on.   And the very same for on board offering such as dining venues, bars, public areas, etc.  It is purely subjective.  But, if we had three ships, three different cruise lines that scored the same in our analysis the Solstice ship would win hands down.    And we would probably be willing to pay a slight premium for it.

 

We have not been on an Edge ship or on the K'dam so we have no opinion of either.  Both are on our list to hopefully try at some point.

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1 hour ago, ronbe65 said:

This is how marketing tricks and insufficient statistics are sold to us innocent.

Of course, space per passenger is more important than generalizing whether a ship is big or small. But we need to fully realize what "space per passenger" really is.

There are better HAL ship for comparisons.

The more important:

1. Open deck space is not included in tonnage. The Edge is lacking promenade deck. An important part if the ship is cut off in favor of the Suite Class, "leaving 86% of passengers behind".

2. Balconies on the Edge are covered, so, unlike on other ships, this space is now included in tonnage.

 

We cannot judge by tricky numbers only. Sometimes it's misleading.

 

Roughly consider real space pp on the Edge about 20% less than  the Niew Amsterdam, and 5% less or equal vs Koningsdam.

 

Happy cruising!

 

So if Edge counts balcony covered space in tonnage,  wouldn’t that mean their space per passenger number is actually deflated?   

 

 

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I think that interior space design, color schemes, and things like elevator placement play as larger, or even larger part in the sense of space and openness as do space ratios.  Things like elevator banks than let out directly in front of the MDR or very dark decor with oversized furnishings and wall decoration that served to make the rooms look small and impeded traffic.

 

Or worse on some older ships from time to time...elevator banks that appear to be perennially out of service for one reason or another.

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3 hours ago, ronbe65 said:

 

 

...Neither plus, nor minus

Transformation of the traditional balconies.

 

Innovations?

Other than the way the balconies are done - marketing dust.

"Leave the "Magic carpet" and "Rooftop Garden" behind"...

 

 

Can you explain/describe what they have done to the balconies to make them unique?

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Passenger space ratios became important numbers to us based on a couple sailing experiences.

We had very pleasant experiences on Princess Grand class ships.  Space ration of 41.  2600 passengers.  Then we tried the Super Grand class Caribbean Princess, for which they added an additional passenger deck but kept  everything else the same.  Now there were 3100 passengers for a space ratio of not quite 36.  We hated it from start to finish as there were people everywhere.  

We were not bowled over by the Disney fantasy class, which, per the brochures, has a terrific space ratio with standard double occupancy capacity of  2500.  Then we sailed and passenger count was 4000 because so many cabins had third, fourth and fifth passengers.  We spent the week pushing baby strollers and figuring out how to hide from the masses.  

 

I know that several thousand travel agents are currently onboard Edge for a preview cruise.  Anxious to hear what my agent friend thinks.  And we are not big Celebrity fans.  

 

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stickey mouse i do not know about passenger ratios...but 2000 passengers on a vessel is fine by our taste where we find ourselves not crowded...great service, good size cabins and being able to walk or jog around the ship...BTW we love their hydro pool very relaxing and the phone is put away till we get back....our true vacation

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1 hour ago, a.madruga said:

stickey mouse i do not know about passenger ratios...but 2000 passengers on a vessel is fine by our taste where we find ourselves not crowded...great service, good size cabins and being able to walk or jog around the ship...BTW we love their hydro pool very relaxing and the phone is put away till we get back....our true vacation

 

Have you tried the K-dam? Or is it too big for your liking? 

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