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Celebrity Edge- Major Ship Envy!

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6 hours ago, decdoc1223 said:

Hi: Phil and Jan, Jupiter Fl. Unable to get on any spreadsheet for roll call or cabin crawl;. Please add our names to the spreadsheet if one edxists. We willl be at the Connections Party. We are in cabin 7225, late seating.

Pleae add our names to roll call and cabib crawl. Can't wait to meet everyone!😎

If anyone has a link to the spreadsheet, please contact Phil at: sawbones95@aol.com

 

Ummm, suggest continuing this discussion in the applicable roll call for this cruise. This thread is an entirely different subject and discussion.

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57 minutes ago, stickey_mouse said:

 

Not me.

 

The Edge is over twice the price, sailing with empty cabins.  Celebrity is already trying to offset this by rewarding their casino players with free cruises, and offering special deals through a specific TA.  Perhaps they'll be more profitable in the beginning, but these prices will have to come down.  It may come down to whether Edge draws in non-cruisers and Millennials like it is intended to.

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5 minutes ago, Stateroom_Sailor said:

 

Not me.

 

The Edge is over twice the price, sailing with empty cabins.  Celebrity is already trying to offset this by rewarding their casino players with free cruises, and offering special deals through a specific TA.  Perhaps they'll be more profitable in the beginning, but these prices will have to come down.  It may come down to whether Edge draws in non-cruisers and Millennials like it is intended to.

 

Just curious, how do you know it's sailing with empty cabins? And how many empty? 

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18 minutes ago, stickey_mouse said:

 

Just curious, how do you know it's sailing with empty cabins? And how many empty? 

 

There were suites that were never booked on the inaugural sailing, though people have claimed to upgrade at embarkation.  The January 27th cruise has availability in most categories:  

 

29 Inside

8 OV

15 Veranda

0 Concierge

17 Aqua

22 Suites

 

That's if I counted correctly.  All these people were locked in before some of the negative reviews started flowing, so I expect March to get worse if prices do not come down.

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26 minutes ago, Stateroom_Sailor said:

 

There were suites that were never booked on the inaugural sailing, though people have claimed to upgrade at embarkation.  The January 27th cruise has availability in most categories:  

 

29 Inside

8 OV

15 Veranda

0 Concierge

17 Aqua

22 Suites

 

That's if I counted correctly.  All these people were locked in before some of the negative reviews started flowing, so I expect March to get worse if prices do not come down.

 

Interesting. Although sometimes guarantee status skews what is actually there and what is not. And I must reiterate that price is a product of demand. If demand lessens, the price will decrease. And I would call the reviews mixed, not overwhelmingly negative. I know the HAL lovers are so eager to call Edge an immediate failure, but I think it's too early to call. 

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2 hours ago, Stateroom_Sailor said:

The Edge is over twice the price, sailing with empty cabins.

I was looking at some of the Edge pricing for 2020 cruises in the Mediterranean and they are not quite twice as expensive as similar HAL cruises but they are still considerably higher for Verandah cabins.

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3 hours ago, stickey_mouse said:

And I must reiterate that price is a product of demand. If demand lessens, the price will decrease.

 

Except so far they're letting cabins sail empty or giving them away to casino players. How is that following the standard supply & demand model if you're creating artificial demand?

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1 hour ago, bEwAbG said:

 

Except so far they're letting cabins sail empty or giving them away to casino players. How is that following the standard supply & demand model if you're creating artificial demand?

 

I'd be interested in knowing how full the ship actually was when it sailed (not how many cabins appeared available online). And yes, they are charging a premium for the initial (and them some) sailings, but people are paying it. If they can charge a premium and still sail at 90% full, they are still laughing themselves all the way to the bank. Demand determines price, but it's not a zero sum game when it comes to cruising. Time will tell how if that demand holds steady or wanes a bit; if the latter, expect prices to decrease. 

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1 hour ago, stickey_mouse said:

 

I'd be interested in knowing how full the ship actually was when it sailed (not how many cabins appeared available online). And yes, they are charging a premium for the initial (and them some) sailings, but people are paying it. If they can charge a premium and still sail at 90% full, they are still laughing themselves all the way to the bank. Demand determines price, but it's not a zero sum game when it comes to cruising. Time will tell how if that demand holds steady or wanes a bit; if the latter, expect prices to decrease. 

 

Currently, 38% absolutely love Edge (4 and 5 Star Reviews).  Some of the 4 star reviews are a bit critical, but I've never seen a happy 3 Star.  Overwhelmingly people seem unhappy with the infinite verandas, the lack of free entertainment, and lounge / bar space, limiting drink access.  Decor, Shows, Magic Carpet seem more mixed. 

 

If they can continue to fill the ships at 90% capacity, at inflated prices, have at it.  In the ultimate supply and demand efficiency, that means they should have built a slightly smaller ship.  Soon we'll have 4 Edge ships, and this market may look very different.

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7 hours ago, stickey_mouse said:

 

Interesting. Although sometimes guarantee status skews what is actually there and what is not. 

 

My sample of HAL and Celebrity bookings is small (2 and 1 respectively).

 

The HAL sailings were both GTY bookings within final payment and I don't recall cabins being assigned until 4-6 weeks before sailing, if not even closer.

 

The single Celebrity sailing was booked a few months before final payment.  Cabin was assigned surprisingly fast (within a few weeks), and nice (booked Cat 12 (worst inside), got Cat 9 (best inside)).  From what I've read, Celebrity tends to assign GTYs early.

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We wonder what all this chatter about a competing cruise line & a oddball designed ship accomplishes  on this HAL  thread ??????? 

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1 hour ago, mcrcruiser said:

We wonder what all this chatter about a competing cruise line & a oddball designed ship accomplishes  on this HAL  thread ??????? 

 

Read the posts. Much discussion of both HAL and Celebrity here.

 

We also wonder why a disinterested person continues to click on and post in a thread he thinks doesn't belong. 

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7 hours ago, mcrcruiser said:

We wonder what all this chatter about a competing cruise line & a oddball designed ship accomplishes  on this HAL  thread ??????? 

 

Do you believe HAL should be compared to X, on the Celebrity forum instead?  What would you say to your counterpart over there, asking the same question?  It helps people decide if they want to cross over and try a new line or ship, without interception from cheerleaders.

 

Now if I started a thread with chatter about non-competing, land based motels (Super 8 ) with traditional designs, you might be onto something.

 

Edited by Stateroom_Sailor

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7 hours ago, cruising cockroach said:

 

 

The single Celebrity sailing was booked a few months before final payment.  Cabin was assigned surprisingly fast (within a few weeks), and nice (booked Cat 12 (worst inside), got Cat 9 (best inside)).  From what I've read, Celebrity tends to assign GTYs early.

 

When I tried mock booking, there was no option for GTY.  That's not to say that someone couldn't be pending, but with 3 days until sail, I doubt it.

 

Edge pricing does get slowly less expensive as you move out into 2020, but certainly still higher than HAL.  Supposedly Edge opened with much lower prices, but the stampede of new bookings spiked the remaining fares, and they haven't come down.

 

I'm not sure I quite understand Celebrity's pricing all the time, but it is certainly a benefit from our angle.  A year or so ago, An Aqua cabin on Celebrity Eclipse for 12 nights to Hawaii was $3,600.  We booked a lower tier cabin halfway down, and then upgraded to Aqua at $1750, right before final payment.  I honestly think they were asking too much money for too long, which lead to sharper discounts.  Still, I'm not complaining!  🏝️🌋🛳️

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10 hours ago, mcrcruiser said:

We wonder what all this chatter about a competing cruise line & a oddball designed ship accomplishes  on this HAL  thread ??????? 

 

I am posting on this thread specifically because Celebrity’s new direction is leading us to vote with our feet and our wallets and try Holland America for the first time.  We always heard good things, but were happy enough with Celebrity.  The things I’ve read about Edge have convinced me that we don’t want to pay a premium for a faux-balcony cabin, over-crowded, deafeningly noisy bars and lack of forward-facing public space.  

 

We’re looking forward to trying Holland America and have no “ship envy” at all for Edge.  

Edited by lisiamc

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As I've stated before, my envy has waned significantly since my original post. I am very content that I will be taking my large group on the Nieuw Statendam later this year.

 

Time will tell if the new Edge model is a success or bust. I know for sure that it's too early to call, despite the HAL cheerleaders' insistence that it is a complete swing and a miss. Sure, many CC reviews are bashing it, but I've also read several "professional' reviews that praise the design. I am a champion for no single cruise line and happen to enjoy both the Celebrity and HAL product. Again, time will tell which company is moving in the right direction; or, at the very least, which choices are most profitable. 

Edited by stickey_mouse

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Celebrity has a good product but not for the price points they're currently asking.  At the end of the day, it's still a cruise on a large ship.  The food can only be so good, and the service on X, to me, is really hit or miss. 

 

After experiencing HAL in Alaska, we cancelled our X cruise for February & switched to HAL.  I'll continue to look at Celebrity sailings but unless this upcoming HAL cruise is a complete bust, then they'll get more of my business.  Hopefully they'll change their smoking policy across the fleet because non-smoking interiors is pretty much one of the last things keeping Celebrity from losing a lot of its long-timers to HAL on a regular basis.  

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8 minutes ago, bEwAbG said:

because non-smoking interiors is pretty much one of the last things keeping Celebrity from losing a lot of its long-timers to HAL on a regular basis.  

 

I have to take issue with this line. It's stated as fact, but is actually very conclusory and subjective. 

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Well, obviously it's my opinion.  However, it's often mentioned as a specific issue on both HAL & (especially) Celebrity boards, and I've had the conversation with several people on Celebrity cruises as well.  I wouldn't have booked what I booked with HAL without the casino being nonsmoking & will not book the newer ships until they follow suit.  I'm not even a militant non-smoker & actually have been in the outdoor smoking sections with friends, but I completely wrote off HAL for years because they allowed smoking inside.  It travels within the ship, and it sticks to clothes, furniture, drapes, & carpets even if someone isn't there smoking.  

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11 minutes ago, bEwAbG said:

Well, obviously it's my opinion.  However, it's often mentioned as a specific issue on both HAL & (especially) Celebrity boards, and I've had the conversation with several people on Celebrity cruises as well.  I wouldn't have booked what I booked with HAL without the casino being nonsmoking & will not book the newer ships until they follow suit.  I'm not even a militant non-smoker & actually have been in the outdoor smoking sections with friends, but I completely wrote off HAL for years because they allowed smoking inside.  It travels within the ship, and it sticks to clothes, furniture, drapes, & carpets even if someone isn't there smoking.  

 

Oh I totally agree about smoking. I took issue with your indication that it is one of the few things filling Celebrity's ships.

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As to the price point, the ridiculous prices are only on the Edge. S Class and M Class  ships still have sane prices.

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