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Celebrity Edge- Major Ship Envy!

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Posters on this forum are still new to the subject. Celebrity board has already gone through all the anticipation, speculations, discoveries, and disappointments.

And obviously the Edge (although overhyped x3) has much more character than the HAL new additions - rather pale shadows of what the previous generation of HAL ships is...

 

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Like some out there we have no loyalty to one main cruise company, having been on X, RCCL, NCL, CCL, PRINCESS AND HAL..

At the present time we have come to like HAL a great deal, customer service, the lido, hydro pool, smaller crowds (well behaved

too, most of them) none smoking casino...

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14 hours ago, blueboro said:

 

Really only about 150 passengers larger than the K-Dam and S-Dam...but X ship is larger than HAL.  While we like HAL, we REALLY like the fact that X Solstice class are so open and roomy with high ceilings and a more open flow and feel.

also noisier. the open design means that music carries throughout the space, even when one wants to get away from it.

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11 hours ago, mcrcruiser said:

We agree that  Celebrity ships can be discussed ;however ,when things that I  post are constantly challenged ,it tells me where those posters are coming from .  Marketing Celebrity on a Holland America forum  is out of place.IMVHO

 A in depth discussion about the Celebrity Edge or Soltice class  or the Millenium class ships should be discussed in the Celebrity forum   & they can compare those ships to any cruise line they want .

 

 The Facts speak loudly when Celebrity charges way higher prices for comparable sailing vs  both HAL & Princess ships . We have studied  various cruises & compared all 3 lines  ,Celebrity always  is at a  higher daily rate . 

 

 We have sailed many cruise lines & each has it's own points & qualities .  But ,as things change  ,age ,disposable income ,where one lives ;as examples  ,the ships & lines they sail also tend to change

 

  

 

 

 

  

not too sure about that. if you look at market research data and compare the ratio of percent of industry revenue over percent of industry passengers. a measure of revenue per passenger. The ratio for Princess and Celebrity is similar around 1.3 to 1.4. HAL has a slightly higher ratio at 1.6 to 1.8 range. That would indicate more revenue per passenger on HAL than on Celebrity. Though the smaller ship size (less economically efficient) would mean similar profit levels.

 

to put these numbers in perspective the ratios for crystal, regent and Seaborne are in the 6.0 to 6.5 range.

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Back to the original topic -- Edge vs HAL ships. I think Celebrity may have gone "South Beach" on this one - lots of sizzle but not much meat. The Infinite Balcony concept is a great idea, but very poor in practice. In effect, it is an oceanview with a window that slides down. This has a few considerable failures.

1. The shades are on the outer wall, so one person cannot enjoy the balcony while another sleeps in darkness.

2. The fresh breezes (that I personally love) are not there, as the balcony is a box with an opening on one side (front), rather than openings on four sides (left, right, top, front).

Additionally, the costs (not only the cruise fare) are not in line with the value -- some venues' beverages are not included in the beverage packages (even the premium) and the specialty restaurants are crazy expensive.

Although I'm Elite on Celebrity, I don't see going on an Edge-class ship any time soon. I hope the "Edgification" of the rest of the fleet doesn't ruin it.

And now I'm looking forward to our next cruise on the Nieuw Statendam. The fare was acceptable, the ship looks beautiful, and I remember fondly the great crew service on HAL (although that was a decade ago).

So, for those with ship envy... Enjoy! To each their own!

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I also have to wonder how safe is  having thousands of tons of compressed natural gas for fuel on board. This is much more volatile than the conventional diesel fuel it could make a cruise ship a floating bomb.

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On 12/2/2018 at 6:42 PM, cruisemom42 said:

 

See link for description and images of Celebrity's "infinite" verandas on Edge:   https://www.celebritycruises.com/edge/accommodations/infinite-verandas/

 

Sounds like the forward-facing beds and full-door openings on the Avalon Waterways river cruises. Since I am a sidesleeper, it did nothing for me and in fact restricted my view of the river when in bed, and since river cruises are all about the view, not a good choice for me.. Thankfully, not all their ships are that way - you just have to be careful which ones you choose.

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1 hour ago, terrydtx said:

I also have to wonder how safe is  having thousands of tons of compressed natural gas for fuel on board. This is much more volatile than the conventional diesel fuel it could make a cruise ship a floating bomb.

 

Given these companies' general disdain for liability, I would have to assume VERY safe. 

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7 hours ago, RDC1 said:

also noisier. the open design means that music carries throughout the space, even when one wants to get away from it.

 

You are right, the open design can lead to noise traveling.  We experienced that on our recent K-Dam in the music walk/casino area (without the drifting smoke experienced on KDam).  I think both ships have some more quiet spaces...HAL probably more than X.  

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IDK..I'm not so impressed by new ships and or gimmicky designs OR their price.  Give me a nice well-maintained traditional ship; a large, well thought-out stateroom; large balcony with a couple of loungers; and good service and you've got me.  I'd have to go several notches lower cabin category to sail on most, which I'm not willing to do....so value to me just isn't there.  If it's ones cup of tea, more power to you!

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From my perspective,  my comments are certainly not akin to a HAL vs Celebrity ship comparison.  Both fleets have some wonderful ships.

 

I suspect that there are some HAL boosters who interpret any complement or positive comment about another cruise line on the HAL forum as a criticism of HAL when it is not.  

 

Not certain why anyone would be so personally invested in a for profit company that they would feel this way.

Edited by iancal

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On 12/2/2018 at 9:07 PM, *Miss G* said:

 

Wow.  That is awesome.

 

There are many complaints regarding these cabins, especially that you cannot sit on the balcony while your dw/dh is sleeping because there is no curtain or door to cut off the light streaming in.  Also, there is supposedly no privacy while getting dressed with the cabin open to the balcony.  The balcony does not open to the cabin next door.  To me, they seem like a larger oceanview cabin with a window that opens, than a balcony cabin.  (My $.02)

 

I agree it may be one of the least attractive cruise ships I have seen (NCL is probably in a category of their own), but the interior does look very attractive.  I will not sail on the Edge until the price comes back to reality.  Maybe after Apex is launched?

 

On another note, there seems to be a lot of advertising going on for the Edge.  If it is booked up, why would they be advertising so much?

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3 hours ago, iancal said:

I suspect that there are some HAL boosters who interpret any complement or positive comment about another cruise line on the HAL forum as a criticism of HAL when it is not. 

 

This! You nailed it. 

 

32 minutes ago, kenevenpar said:

On another note, there seems to be a lot of advertising going on for the Edge.  If it is booked up, why would they be advertising so much?

 

I'm guessing to show off their new toy and pump up excitement for the brand? I'm not sure. I also see regular advertising for Wal-Mart, McDonalds, and Apple, and they're doing just fine. :classic_biggrin:

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1 minute ago, stickey_mouse said:

 

 

I'm guessing to show off their new toy and pump up excitement for the brand? I'm not sure. I also see regular advertising for Wal-Mart, McDonalds, and Apple, and they're doing just fine. :classic_biggrin:

 Good point.  As a frequent =x= cruiser, and advertising recipient, I am certainly tired of the ads.  But that is just me.

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Celebrity is the biggest con artist in the mass cruise line inventory. Continuously downgrading the product while increasing the price.

 

The new ship is a distraction which will likely allow them to continue the product downgrade.

 

Wait 1 year and review the comments to see if the downgrading from the 2018 Celebrity downgraded offerings continues.

 

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8 minutes ago, Doubt It said:

Celebrity is the biggest con artist in the mass cruise line inventory. Continuously downgrading the product while increasing the price.

 

The new ship is a distraction which will likely allow them to continue the product downgrade.

 

Wait 1 year and review the comments to see if the downgrading from the 2018 Celebrity downgraded offerings continues.

 

 

If you read any board from any of the mass market cruise lines, a common theme will be increased prices and decreased quality. If Celebrity is guilty, then they all are. Not to say it's right- I don't like it, either. 

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Having a front row seat to watch the Edge go in and out of Port Everglades every couple of days since she arrived, I still can't help thinking*....

 

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But I'm sure she's lovely inside.

 

*-Seriously. That's the first thing my wife and I thought when we saw her on arrival day.

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21 hours ago, stickey_mouse said:

 

I hope this becomes standard on all HAL ships! 

Well, while I agree with your idea, good luck with it happening at HAL.  Case in point is the brand new Nieuw Statendam, which will allow smoking in the casino!  Before everyone jumps on me for that, yes, I understand that it is only in certain areas.  However, I also understand that on the Koningsdam, sister ship of the Nieuw Statendam, the smoke not only permeates throughout other areas of the casino, but also seems to migrate to other venues on the deck below it, via someone's bright idea of putting a circular staircase between the two.  Most have said that there seems to be no real need for that staircase, due to the forward elevators and staircases being so close to that area.  The consensus is that if they would remove the staircase and close up the floor/ceiling in that area, many, many people would be much happier, and smoke would not enter the music venues below the casino.  By the way, there was also mention of the noise from the revelers in the casino disturbing those in the music venues, but I don't believe that seems as objectionable to most as is the smoke.  So, unless HAL decides to finally make its casinos smoke free on ALL their ships, as Celebrity is doing, you just won't hear much positive about it.

 

And, although I will admit that I have not been on the Koningsdam yet, I have sailed more than once on Eurodam, Nieuw Amsterdam, and on Westerdam, Zuiderdam, and Noordam over the years.  And, I am going on the Nieuw Statendam in a couple of weeks and Celebrity Edge in January.  After those voyages, I will feel better to voice my own opinions about some of the things on this discussion board.  Until then, what I have mentioned above is either what I have read on the HAL website, or from comments here on CC by others.  If you disagree, fine.  If you agree, fine, too.  We are all entitled to our opinions.  I don't think it is either kind, polite, nice or necessary for anyone to verbally slam anyone else on these boards.  If I read something I disagree with, I just move to the next post.  

 

Thank you for reading this, if you did.  :classic_wink:

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19 minutes ago, stickey_mouse said:

:classic_sad: So we know for sure that they will allow smoking in the Nieuw Statendam casino? 

 

From the HAL website:

"Sea View (Retreat) Bar/Pool on starboard side only. On Prinsendam, Koningsdam, and Nieuw Statendam, smoking is allowed on the port side only. 

  • Sun Bar on Koningsdam and Nieuw Statendam
  • Sports Deck forward and aft of Crow’s Nest on starboard side on Maasdam, Veendam, Volendam, Zaandam, Rotterdam and Amsterdam
  • Oak Room on Noordam only, including cigar and pipe smoking
  • Designated areas for active slot players in Casinos*. Oosterdam and Eurodam casinos are completely non-smoking. Noordam Casino is completely non-smoking, with the exception of two nights per cruise."
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20 minutes ago, stickey_mouse said:

:classic_sad: So we know for sure that they will allow smoking in the Nieuw Statendam casino? 

 

There was quite a large discussion about that on another thread before NS even sailed, and most people who posted were really against the brand new ship allowing smoking indoors at all.    

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  The smoking  to us is a huge turn off  . We would NEVER step into a casino where smoking is allowed .  Not only horrible for health reasons ;but , the smoke gets into clothing   as well & stinks 😡

 

 Imo HAL would be better off if they did not permit smoking in any indoor area  & restrict it to maximum 3 small out side areas . For a casino HAL would profit more with non smokers than smokers  ;as we non smokers way outnumber smokers  😄

 

 

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1 hour ago, beachbunny6 said:

 

From the HAL website:

"Sea View (Retreat) Bar/Pool on starboard side only. On Prinsendam, Koningsdam, and Nieuw Statendam, smoking is allowed on the port side only. 

  • Sun Bar on Koningsdam and Nieuw Statendam
  • Sports Deck forward and aft of Crow’s Nest on starboard side on Maasdam, Veendam, Volendam, Zaandam, Rotterdam and Amsterdam
  • Oak Room on Noordam only, including cigar and pipe smoking
  • Designated areas for active slot players in Casinos*. Oosterdam and Eurodam casinos are completely non-smoking. Noordam Casino is completely non-smoking, with the exception of two nights per cruise."

 

Yes, but the Nieuw Amsterdam is now smoke free after dry dock. Since early 2018. So the guidelines haven't been updated. There's still hope, perhaps?

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