Oasis incident at Freeport Shipyard

[chengkp75]

13 minutes ago, Thorben-Hendrik said:

I think after the last propultion issues with the Viking Star - they were ordered to have everything fixed before the TA - as 8000 passengers stuck in the midle of the atlantic would be quite a nightmare....😱

Not quite following.  There was no propulsion issue with the Viking Star that required a repair, merely a change to operational policies.  Also not sure there was any propulsion problem with Oasis.  If I remember right, there are only two cofferdams to use to repair 3 azipods, so there is an offset in the maintenance schedules for the three pods.  I believe this docking in Freeport was a scheduled bearing replacement for the two pods based on the previous failure history, to preclude failure.

 

Whoops, thought you were talking the Viking Sky, but still haven't seen a problem with the Viking Star's propulsion since 2015.

Edited April 6, 2019 by chengkp75

[Thorben-Hendrik]

Just now, chengkp75 said:

There was no propulsion issue with the Viking Star that required a repair,

She was out one engine.....had engine problems before - so it is save to assume that Oasis was not allowed to do a TA with known ongoing engine problems!🙄

[twangster]

5 minutes ago, Thorben-Hendrik said:

Same here biut never had a full cruise paid with an FCC....just a discount so far - since the taxes were paid - I would be surprised if their IT would still consider this a "free" cruise...

I will let you know in about 5 weeks.....😁

 

I think it would be tricky to implement such a denial of points.  If I booked an Owner's Suite where the FCC didn't cover all of it versus an interior cabin where it covered all and then some, how would it be the guests in an OS get points but the guests in the interior doesn't?  The cost of the FCC to them is the same either way.  What if the FCC covered 99.5% of the new cruise fare?  Points or no points?  90%?  Where would they draw that threshold?  

[Thorben-Hendrik]

3 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

was a scheduled bearing replacement for the two pods based on the previous failure history, to preclude failure.

That is what I said ...putting a limping ship with 8000 pasengers on a TA is just recless!🙄

[Thorben-Hendrik]

1 minute ago, twangster said:

 

I think it would be tricky to implement such a denial of points.  If I booked an Owner's Suite where the FCC didn't cover all of it versus an interior cabin where it covered all and then some, how would it be the guests in an OS get points but the guests in the interior doesn't?  The cost of the FCC to them is the same either way.  What if the FCC covered 99.5% of the new cruise fare?  Points or no points?  90%?  Where would they draw that threshold?  

I would definetly fight them....no points for the cancelled TA AND no points for the replacement is a bit much.....but then the points are not that meaningfull anyway...🙄

[chengkp75]

1 minute ago, Thorben-Hendrik said:

She was out one engine.....had engine problems before - so it is save to assume that Oasis was not allowed to do a TA with known ongoing engine problems!🙄

"Engine" as in "diesel engine" or "propulsion engine" (as it is incorrectly called here on CC)?  Haven't seen a report of a propulsion problem on the Viking Star, as I've said, since 2015.  Having one diesel engine down is very common on cruise ships, and many sail this way for weeks at a time and no one knows anything about it.  What known "ongoing engine problems" does Oasis have?

[Biker19]

14 minutes ago, Norwich Cruiser said:

Since when?

Since the incentives make it so  - no price drops generally and final payment in most markets at 56 days out. 

[DerekB]

On 4/5/2019 at 9:21 PM, Biker19 said:

Europeans don't mind booking late, even inside final payment.

Well at least in the Netherlands, where I live, they plan things way in advance. Things Americans would never consider planning in advance. It has taken some getting used to for sure!

[chengkp75]

6 minutes ago, Thorben-Hendrik said:

That is what I said ...putting a limping ship with 8000 pasengers on a TA is just recless!🙄

No, that is not what I said.  I am talking about a preventative maintenance procedure, where you replace the component before it fails, or is even showing deterioration.  This is very common with critical items, something most industries have been doing for decades, surprised you haven't heard of it.  I have not heard that any of her azipods were not functioning properly before the docking in Freeport, so she would not be "limping".

[Thorben-Hendrik]

6 minutes ago, Biker19 said:

Since the incentives make it so  - no price drops generally and final payment in most markets at 56 days out. 

You are making a foul of yourself.....as this is total fake news!

Usually Europens have about 4-6 weeks of vacation a year and have to put that in to their employer about 6-15 month prior!

Mine makes me do it - 13 month prior - have to plan ALL 7 weeks!....👍

Edited April 6, 2019 by Thorben-Hendrik

[A&L_Ont]

4 minutes ago, Thorben-Hendrik said:

I would definetly fight them....no points for the cancelled TA AND no points for the replacement is a bit much.....but then the points are not that meaningfull anyway...🙄

 

No points for the cancelled TA is expected. No points for a discounted cruise would be a surprise.  As I said earlier we got them for our FCC sailings. 

 

Side note, what about the Casino Royale cruisers that get “free”😉  cruises.  It’s my understanding that they points. 

[Dry Dock Dave]

46 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

If the emergency power source for the AIS is turned off for maintenance/testing, the AIS battery will fade eventually.  And sometimes in shipyard the navigating officer will turn everything off on the bridge to prevent possible damage.

 

The bridge is torn apart for upgrading systems, radars stripped, gyro upgrades... I’m not entirely sure which actual bit transmits location, but we know when things are all off because the location map on the TV channel shows us just off the west coast of Africa where it narrows, no matter which yard we are in around the world... gps 0,0 is the default position 

[AmazedByCruising]

13 minutes ago, Thorben-Hendrik said:

You are making a foul of yourself.....as this is total fake news!

Usually Europens have about 4-6 weeks of vacation a year and have to put that in to their employer about 6-15 month prior!

Mine makes me do it - 13 month prior - have to plan ALL 7 weeks!....👍

 

6-15 month prior?? As a European employer I'm used to people sending me a text on Thursday if it's OK to be away the next week and I've never said no. I think that's quite normal in my (software) business, schools and hospitals will undoubtedly be more strict but even then 13 months prior sounds absurd.

[Thorben-Hendrik]

5 minutes ago, AmazedByCruising said:

 

6-15 month prior?? As a European employer I'm used to people sending me a text on Thursday if it's OK to be away the next week and I've never said no. I think that's quite normal in my (software) business, schools and hospitals will undoubtedly be more strict but even then 13 months prior sounds absurd.

By November 15th for the next year....

Holland is much more relaxed than other countries obviously also depends on the business....

Edited April 6, 2019 by Thorben-Hendrik

[DerekB]

28 minutes ago, Thorben-Hendrik said:

You are making a foul of yourself.....as this is total fake news!

Usually Europens have about 4-6 weeks of vacation a year and have to put that in to their employer about 6-15 month prior!

Mine makes me do it - 13 month prior - have to plan ALL 7 weeks!....👍

My thoughts exactly. I live in the Netherlands and if there is anything the Dutch love it is planning in advance! I've had my employees vacation request for this year on the books since early last year - and that isn't even required by me. 

[DerekB]

8 minutes ago, AmazedByCruising said:

 

6-15 month prior?? As a European employer I'm used to people sending me a text on Thursday if it's OK to be away the next week and I've never said no. I think that's quite normal in my (software) business, schools and hospitals will undoubtedly be more strict but even then 13 months prior sounds absurd.

I am also a European employer, in the Netherlands no less. Yes, I've had it happen where an employee requested a week off with essentially no notice and it was approved. But that is not the norm - the norm is they request off far in advance. Is it possible that an employee could want to go on a cruise with a weeks notice and I let them? Sure absolutely if operations allowed. Is it normal? No. 

Edited April 6, 2019 by DerekB

[Norwich Cruiser]

51 minutes ago, Biker19 said:

Since the incentives make it so  - no price drops generally and final payment in most markets at 56 days out. 

 

Our best deals are nearly always booking directly as soon as prices are released.

You may find a few late deals around from a few agents but not when booking directly with RCI.

[yzfmik]

Was just looking at an overhead pic of Symphony and realized if this accident has happened post AMP it would have taken out the Ultimate Abyss!  (since it took out the railing on deck 16!)

[AmazedByCruising]

3 minutes ago, DerekB said:

I am also a European employer, in the Netherlands no less. Yes, I've had it happen where an employee requested a week off with essentially no notice and it was approved. But that is not the norm - the norm is they request off far in advance. Is it possible that an employee could want to go on a cruise with a weeks notice and I let them? Sure absolutely if operations allowed. Is it normal? No. 

 

It is in my company and it was in all 4 companies where I worked as an employee before I started my own. I think the reason people do make a request long in advance is because they need to be absolutely sure they get it. Mostly because it would fit school holidays, keeping your 8 year old from school for a day is a serious offense.

[DerekB]

1 minute ago, AmazedByCruising said:

 

It is in my company and it was in all 4 companies where I worked as an employee before I started my own. I think the reason people do make a request long in advance is because they need to be absolutely sure they get it. Mostly because it would fit school holidays, keeping your 8 year old from school for a day is a serious offense.

So you would agree that most make request far in advance?

[Nunagoras]

1 hour ago, Thorben-Hendrik said:

Really?🙄😱

 

...Yes!... Absolutely!... Perhaps there is a deep reason that can explain that. Imagine departures from Rome or even Barcelona: You can likely to do those distances from most of the European countries to your embarkation port of choice by plane on less than 2 hours, that is equivalent to say most folks will fly directly on the cruise day!... 4 Years ago I flew direct from Lisbon to Barcelona (nearly a 75 minutes flight) on my Allure of the Seas cruise departure day!... 🙂

 

It is worth to notice also that many Europeans are supposed to manage their holiday time with their bosses by mid March to Mid April... Few time to search for travel opportunities for many... And many await some "last minute" deals... Sometimes successfully... Some times not so...

 

Meanwhile permit me to give many thanks for the wonderful work @chengkp75 is doing on this forum right now!... Cruise Critic should award him the "Resident Chief Engineer" title!.

 

Have a nice weekend!... 🙂

[Biker19]

1 hour ago, Thorben-Hendrik said:

You are making a fool of yourself.....as this is total fake news!

What’s fake news about the incentives I mentioned?

[voyager70]

What was this thread about to start with 🤔  

[gatour]

Everyone thinks for the feedback.  It sounds like for whatever reason (revenue/scheduling reasons)  They originally decided to do the azipod maintenance pre-TA and then do the amp upgrades post TA.

[Mikew0805]

1 hour ago, A&L_Ont said:

 

No points for the cancelled TA is expected. No points for a discounted cruise would be a surprise.  As I said earlier we got them for our FCC sailings. 

 

Side note, what about the Casino Royale cruisers that get “free”😉  cruises.  It’s my understanding that they points. 

😉