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2 hours ago, ProgRockCruiser said:

 

Smoking is an addiction for most.

 

Gambling is an addiction for many.

 

Chances are high that the Venn diagram of non-smokers, non-gamblers, smokers, and gamblers has a large common overlap for smokers and gamblers, and possibly just as large of one for non/non.

 

I love it when things are explained with Venn diagrams.  I thought I was the only person who used these to make sense of seemingly random sets of data!  😄 

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2 hours ago, thenexus2k said:

 

Truthfully, they do not want a smoker to leave a table/slot/game to take a smoke break. Same reason they bring people drinks. Or keep spouses busy at the spa or golf course. If casinos could figure out a way to service your bathroom needs without leaving the table, they would do that too!

When the nearby Indian casino opened years ago, it was so crowded that people would not leave their machine for anything...yep.. a lot of urine soaked seats..

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Being a smoker I would not have a issue with smoke free nights,   Maybe split the cruise in half.

I also would not have a issue with totally smoke free if they had a area (lounge) close by.  I don't want to take 30-40 minutes just to go have a smoke. 

 Some princess ships have a enclosed smoking lounge on one side of the casino.

Some RCI ships have the casino by the promenade where you could just walk out side and smoke.

I feel better design could work for both non and smokers alike.

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5 minutes ago, Bases5 said:

Being a smoker I would not have a issue with smoke free nights,   Maybe split the cruise in half.

I also would not have a issue with totally smoke free if they had a area (lounge) close by.  I don't want to take 30-40 minutes just to go have a smoke. 

 Some princess ships have a enclosed smoking lounge on one side of the casino.

Some RCI ships have the casino by the promenade where you could just walk out side and smoke.

I feel better design could work for both non and smokers alike.

Don't start bringing logical ideas into this.

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As of 2016 only 15% of adults smoke. I think once that number goes under 10 you'll see them make the casino smoke-free with some kind of designated outdoor smoking area nearby

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2 hours ago, cruisecraze96 said:

Here they legalized gambling casinos and Hard Rock was on the list to put up a hotel and casino in the area.  Then they banned smoking in casinos in this area and shortly after that Hard Rock pulled out of their contract and a different group came in to put up the Casino, and they yet to have been profitable enough to put in the hotel.  To me that says that gambling and smoking does go hand and hand, I do not smoke and I do not gamble but my sister and mom both do and this last cruise both walked away with free cruises due to the amount of money spent/won in the casino that week.  When I book trips I stick with 3 lines due to the smoking and smoking in the casino polices for them to want to go.

I love in NYC we have 2 casinos (racings because they only have slots no live table games) that do not allow smoking. Both are always packed. People who like to gamble will gamble even if they can't smoke... The casinos on the ship are to small for smoking. They wouldn't be as bad if they didn't allow people to just sit around and smoke. If there not playing they shouldn't be in there smoking. it makes the casino insufferable at times. 

 

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I don't smoke-my wife does.  We feel that CCL has gotten the smoking rules and areas just about right.  Difficult subject and will probably never make everyone happy.  I have not been bothered by smoke in the casino however.

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At the Hard Rock in Tampa they have a non smoking slot room, problem is you have to walk thru a smoke filled casino to get to it.

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41 minutes ago, GLCM GUY said:

I don't smoke-my wife does.  We feel that CCL has gotten the smoking rules and areas just about right.  Difficult subject and will probably never make everyone happy.  I have not been bothered by smoke in the casino however.

Let us only hope you do not end up with any number of diseases related to second hand smoke. This is the problem that so many people do not recognize, and that is that exposure to second hand smoke can be just as deadly to those around the smoker. It also causes people with a chronic illness, such as asthma, to be in a very compromised situation. For smokers to say, that those people need to stay away from smoking areas is really not the answer. You have to wonder who should be the ones banned? The non smoker just wanting to have a great time in a non hazardess area, or the smoker who is inflicting their bad unhealthy habit on those around him? This is a debate that has been rehashed on this forum, and others, but nothing is ever done. I do believe the times they are a changin, people. I feel in the near future, we will see more regulations concerning smoking on any cruise line.

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6 hours ago, JennyB1977 said:

@lavic8 Does anyone think that Carnival will ever ban indoor smoking on its ships. IMO, not until some sort of "law" forces them to OR there is a decline profits that can be directly related to smoking.

 

...On every cruise I spend a lot of time in the casino. I tolerate the smoke but it gets pretty bad in there and the smell is sometimes awful. People aren't even gambling there just sitting around smoking. I really think enough is enough already. It may be time for a ban. I have read about non-smoking ships (Paradise was smoke free from 1998-2004) and cruise lines (Renaissance) both are no longer in existence. This tells me there is enough demand for smoking areas on ships.

 

@Anyislandwilldo Congrats!!!

Thank you!

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1 hour ago, GLCM GUY said:

I don't smoke-my wife does.  We feel that CCL has gotten the smoking rules and areas just about right.  Difficult subject and will probably never make everyone happy.  I have not been bothered by smoke in the casino however.

Because you are probably desensitized to the odor.  I grew up with a smoking father. I never really smelled smoke until after I was grown and moved out to a smoke free home.

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5 hours ago, BBigfoot613 said:

 

Congrats! I too just quit (almost 2 months now). When I smoked I was only bothered by the extreme amounts of smoke or those that smoked a ton and didn't have great hygiene. Now without cigarettes my senses are extremely heightened and had me worried about the casino. I figure at worst it'll help me not blow as much $$!!

Thanks.  I put a quit smoking app on my phone which shows how much I've saved in the time I quit smoking.  Congrats to you as well!

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These smoking threads always have some good discussions, then a couple decide to start lecturing.

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I was on the Glory last week & could smell smoke from the casino when walking up the middle atrium stairs on the first day. I was dreading having to put up with it all week but I don't know if ventilation was particularly bad that day or I got used to it (probably this), because I couldn't smell it in the same area later in the cruise. 

 

Personally I'm not that bothered who smokes where, but some ships are definitely more unfortunate for non-smokers than others. The layout on Glory/Valor etc makes it somewhat of a chore to avoid the casino area when getting from A to B, not to mention lots of quizzes & activities/photos take place down that side area. So many bars are barely used during the day, I don't see why they don't just move trivia to one of them. It'd be easier to hear too. 

 

 

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9 hours ago, sc4125 said:

There may indeed be more non-smokers than smokers in the general public; however, it seems that in the "gambling" world, smokers far out number non-smokers.  If CCL (or any other land based casino), thought that their profit would go up if they switched to non-smoking, they would. 

 

There is now a non-smoking casino in Biloxi (can't remember the name right now), but I'm not sure how it is doing.  I've heard through the grape vine that it's not doing great, but who knows.

 

The Palace. It wasn't great when it was smoking. If they're not doing well, it's likely not related to smoking or non smoking. They're competing against 9 other area casinos, some of whom are really epic properties and the Palace is one of the oldest in town. 

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8 hours ago, Scurvy Seadog said:

The casinos in Delaware are 100% smoke free and they are always packed. Aside from the Seminole owned casinos, all of the casinos in South Florida are 100% smoke free and they are always full as well. Smokers simply go outside and smoke. 

 

Because it is illegal to smoke indoors in both of those states. This is not businesses choosing it. Appearing to be packed doesn't mean big business isn't being lost.

 

4 hours ago, grandmarnnurse said:

Let us only hope you do not end up with any number of diseases related to second hand smoke. This is the problem that so many people do not recognize, and that is that exposure to second hand smoke can be just as deadly to those around the smoker. It also causes people with a chronic illness, such as asthma, to be in a very compromised situation. For smokers to say, that those people need to stay away from smoking areas is really not the answer. You have to wonder who should be the ones banned? The non smoker just wanting to have a great time in a non hazardess area, or the smoker who is inflicting their bad unhealthy habit on those around him? This is a debate that has been rehashed on this forum, and others, but nothing is ever done. I do believe the times they are a changin, people. I feel in the near future, we will see more regulations concerning smoking on any cruise line.

 

While second hand smoke isn't a healthy activity, it isn't some cloud of cyanide that will give you cancer before you get home. Deep in all of the scare tactics of second hand smoke, the real data shows us it's people who worked in smoking environments, lived with someone who smokes 1-2 packs a day, etc. Many people smoke thousands of cigarettes per year and never get cancer.

 

The best is people who say how dangerous it is and have poor eating, drinking, and exercise habits. Most people breathe in more smoke from cars than they do cigarettes. Yet It's the casino that did you in. 

 

I hate cigarettes btw.

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5 minutes ago, Joebucks said:

 

Because it is illegal to smoke indoors in both of those states. This is not businesses choosing it. Appearing to be packed doesn't mean big business isn't being lost.

 

 

While second hand smoke isn't a healthy activity, it isn't some cloud of cyanide that will give you cancer before you get home. Deep in all of the scare tactics of second hand smoke, the real data shows us it's people who worked in smoking environments, lived with someone who smokes 1-2 packs a day, etc. Many people smoke thousands of cigarettes per year and never get cancer.

 

The best is people who say how dangerous it is and have poor eating, drinking, and exercise habits. Most people breathe in more smoke from cars than they do cigarettes. Yet It's the casino that did you in. 

 

I hate cigarettes btw.

All of that, but I hate the way my hair and clothes smell when I'm exposed to second hand smoke.

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They have already taken smoking away from the airports, planes, then the dining room, then inside your cabin, and now the balcony.  Now, as a smoker, we have about 2 choices on where to smoke on that huge cruise ship.  And we are following the rules by smoking at the casino bar.  Please stop bashing us.... We are only doing what we are told....I actually had a woman walk by the bar on our last cruise and tell us we were going to die from cancer.  Well, I have had a loved one die from cancer, and that was absolutely uncalled for....

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1 hour ago, august1963 said:

They have already taken smoking away from the airports, planes, then the dining room, then inside your cabin, and now the balcony.  Now, as a smoker, we have about 2 choices on where to smoke on that huge cruise ship.  And we are following the rules by smoking at the casino bar.  Please stop bashing us.... We are only doing what we are told....I actually had a woman walk by the bar on our last cruise and tell us we were going to die from cancer.  Well, I have had a loved one die from cancer, and that was absolutely uncalled for....

 

Gotta love people sashaying through the middle of a designated smoking zone and complaining about the smoke. She'd  whine about being blown to bits if she waltzed through a marked minefield. 

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11 minutes ago, Thorncroft said:

 

Gotta love people sashaying through the middle of a designated smoking zone and complaining about the smoke. She'd  whine about being blown to bits if she waltzed through a marked minefield. 

Sashay 😄 😄 😄

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8 hours ago, august1963 said:

They have already taken smoking away from the airports, planes, then the dining room, then inside your cabin, and now the balcony.  Now, as a smoker, we have about 2 choices on where to smoke on that huge cruise ship.  And we are following the rules by smoking at the casino bar.  Please stop bashing us.... We are only doing what we are told....I actually had a woman walk by the bar on our last cruise and tell us we were going to die from cancer.  Well, I have had a loved one die from cancer, and that was absolutely uncalled for....

 

Not bashing smokers ... I'm okay with them having a smoking area.  I'm NOT okay with smokers taking over the entire casino (not just the casino bar), including the non-smoking portions of the casino (see my previous post).  Not every smoker follows "the rules by smoking at the casino bar."  I'm glad that you do!

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16 hours ago, grandmarnnurse said:

I totally agree. There are far more non smokers than smokers now days, because the majority of people have smartened up. The amount of information and education out there describing the health hazards of smoking cannot be ignored.   We would gamble more if it wasn’t so smokey in the casino, but we spend very little time—and money—in the casino because of the smokers. It is horrible! It chokes you! I see someone light up, and I’m out of there! 

Someone mentioned the failed Paradise. Well, that was a long time ago, and as I said, we are a much more educated society now. I don’t believe it would hurt the cruise line’s bottom line one darn bit to ban smoking. I think the cheers for doing so would be deafening. 

 

I am a non-smoker and don’t spend too much time in the casino because of the smoke, other than usually playing the slot tournament(s) every cruise.  But I can guarantee you Carnival’s casinos would be smoke free if that led to more revenue from the casino.  As others have pointed out in this thread, there are good reasons (I.e. money) why Carnival continues to allow smoking in their casinos. 

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One of the main reasons the Casinos are so smokey is because there's no other indoor smoking facilities for those who partake on Carnival. It sounds counter-intuitive but if the snowflakes who can't handle cigarette smoke want to fix the "problem" they'll demand more indoor smoking areas.

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I'm an occasional cigar smoker (maybe 2 cigars a month).

 

I can understand them allowing cigarette smokers in the casino but I think they need to do a much better job of filtering the smoke in some way.  I agree that it's not fair to the non-smokers who want to gamble but can't or refuse to due to the smokey conditions.

 

Maybe add a 2nd casino to the ships?  🤪

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10 hours ago, Thorncroft said:

 

Gotta love people sashaying through the middle of a designated smoking zone and complaining about the smoke. She'd  whine about being blown to bits if she waltzed through a marked minefield. 

 

Unfortunately, on some ships if you want to go from one end of the ship to the other on the same deck as the casino, you have to "sashay" through the smoke, or go up/down one or more decks.

 

If Carnival included a bypass for the casinos on all ships, that would help tremendously.

 

13 hours ago, Don Kehote said:

I want an all-smoking ship.  With smoky scotch, and smoked meats from cows that smoke.  I want the fog machines in the nightclubs hooked up to a box of Cuban cigars, pumping out that velvety cloud while I wheeze through my riverdance.  

 

But no pipes.  Those are for wizards, and you can't trust a wizard.   Have you ever talked to a wizard?  They're all pretentious, acting like they know everything when they really don't even know that the best part of a cigarette is eating the filter at the end.  I like to put mine in between graham crackers with some burned up marshmallows.  If you ask a wizard what he likes about smoking, he'll just look at you weird and say something cryptic.  

 

Really, they should put wizards in charge of the Trivia contests.  And everyone who cheats should be made to smoke a pack of Virginia Slims out on the bow late at night, and they would have to listen to Yanni until they're done. 

 

You just wait, one day, I and all of my friends and our oxygen tanks will sail away on the Carnival Puffnstuff.

 

"A wizard is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to."

 

Thanks for that - helped lighten the mood a bit.

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