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On 9/30/2019 at 9:59 AM, Overtyme said:

 

I thought that this one was supposed to be somewhere between Oasis Class and Quantum Class ships in terms of Gross Tonnage.

 

It was, then other cruise lines talked about taking over the largest cruise title and Fain couldn't have that so Icon grew.  

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37 minutes ago, Biker19 said:

This may have been mentioned in another thread, but the July SEC filling for RCCL lists the Icon class as having about 5,600 berths. The same filling lists Wonder at 5,700. About this time same time last year, the 10Q filling showed 5,650 and 5,500 respectively, while the March 2018 one listed them at 5,650 and 5,450.

 

All that tells me is that they aren't very accountable to actual berths 😇

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50 minutes ago, John&LaLa said:

All that tells me is that they aren't very accountable to actual berths 😇

I assume the numbers get more accurate as the build gets closer, which means Icon is getting slightly fewer cabins than envisioned a year ago, while Wonder is getting more.

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On 10/17/2019 at 3:17 PM, Biker19 said:

I assume the numbers get more accurate as the build gets closer, which means Icon is getting slightly fewer cabins than envisioned a year ago, while Wonder is getting more.

Then of course...there's the voodoo math about estimated single/double/other occupancy based on cabin sizes and beds...

 

...if every cabin has every room bed filled to capacity with a passenger...such as in suites and/or balconies with sleeper/foldout bed couches...the actual passenger maximums are different than the ones they promote (usually rounded numbers) for various ships as well...

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, CRUISEFAN0001 said:

Then of course...there's the voodoo math about estimated single/double/other occupancy based on cabin sizes and beds...

The numbers listed in their SEC fillings seem to all be double occupancy (or single for solo cabins) numbers and all the rest of the ships are pretty close to real numbers.

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21 minutes ago, Ethanol95 said:

So Icon of the Seas is going to be bigger than Wonder of the Sea??

I don't think so.

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31 minutes ago, John&LaLa said:

 

Curious to see the layout. 

Especially if it's closer to Wonder's size rather than Quantum's

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1 minute ago, Ethanol95 said:

Especially if it's closer to Wonder's size rather than Quantum's

 

Carnival's Mardi Gras is getting 6,000 pax with 180,000 tons

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1 minute ago, John&LaLa said:

 

Carnival's Mardi Gras is getting 6,000 pax with 180,000 tons

 

People have noted while Vista and Horizon have some nice features you feel the crowds much more over Dream class.  The two new ships are built on the frame of Dream class with just a small bump in size.  Slightly bigger frame, several hundred more guests.

 

It seems Carnival is all about cramming the guests on.  Mardi Gras takes it a step further.

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1 minute ago, twangster said:

It seems Carnival is all about cramming the guests on.  Mardi Gras takes it a step further.

And the latest MSC ships yet another step.

 

Biker, who doesn’t think Icon will go that far but passenger ratio will certainly go down compared to Oasis class.  

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24 minutes ago, John&LaLa said:

 

Carnival's Mardi Gras is getting 6,000 pax with 180,000 tons

I think people are going to be really cramped on this ship.

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53 minutes ago, twangster said:

 

People have noted while Vista and Horizon have some nice features you feel the crowds much more over Dream class.  The two new ships are built on the frame of Dream class with just a small bump in size.  Slightly bigger frame, several hundred more guests.

 

It seems Carnival is all about cramming the guests on.  Mardi Gras takes it a step further.

 

I brought it up because Mardi Gras is also an LNG ship. 

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On 10/21/2019 at 10:26 AM, John&LaLa said:

I brought it up because Mardi Gras is also an LNG ship. 

In a somewhat related note:

 

With Mardi Gras, North America’s first LNG-powered cruise ship set to begin operating in 2020, Carnival Corp. & plc Chairman Micky Arison said fuel supply is still a challenge but he’s optimistic it will become widely available.

 

Good news for the Caribbean

‘I expect we’ll be able to get LNG in virtually every [North American] homeport we operate in,’ Arison said during a ‘Chair Talk’ session at the Florida-Caribbean Cruise Association’s annual conference in Puerto Rico this week.

That was good news for the ports and destinations attending. Given the currently challenging LNG supply chain, there’s been concern about how deployment and itineraries could be impacted in the Caribbean and Latin America.

Some 22 LNG-powered ships are currently on order for a broad range of lines, including Caribbean stalwarts like Carnival, Royal Caribbean, Disney, MSC and Princess.

 

AIDAnova’s encouraging performance

Carnival’s experience so far with the world’s first LNG-powered cruise ship, AIDAnova, has been very positive, even though it currently entails an expensive bunkering procedure.

Since AIDAnova entered service in Europe last January, it has operated on LNG 99% of the time, Arison said, ‘far better than we expected.’

But AIDAnova bunkers in Barcelona every week, via a barge Carnival charters from Rotterdam. ‘So it’s quite expensive,’ Arison said. Yet, as time goes on, with Carnival and others adding LNG ships, costs are expected to go down.

 

Risk paying off

Carnival took a big risk in pioneering the cruise industry’s use of LNG. So far, so good.

‘I’m really proud of our group. LNG has proven so far to be really reliable,’ Arison said. ‘AIDAnova is doing really, really well.’

The next-to-be-delivered LNG ship, Costa Smeralda, to homeport in Savona, probably will bunker in Barcelona, as well.

As for Mardi Gras, which will make its home at Port Canaveral, Carnival has an agreement with Shell for bunkering by barge. And discussions are under way about how to bunker the next Excel-class ship, to be based at PortMiami starting in 2022.

The United States produces far more LNG than it currently uses, Arison said. In fact, the LNG that’s sourced in Rotterdam for AIDAnova’s Barcelona bunkdering actually originates in the US.

 

MSC’s World class

Royal Caribbean’s Icon-class ships and MSC Cruises’ World class will use LNG. Royal Caribbean hasn’t identified its homeport or deployment, but MSC is building a two-berth terminal at PortMiami able to handle its World-class giants.

MSC Cruises Executive Chairman Pierfranceso Vago told the FCCA audience that when it comes to addressing environmental impact, ‘The cruise industry is spearheading the maritime industry in an incredible way’ through a host of innovative technologies like fuel cells and initiatives including LNG.

‘We plan ships five years ahead that will amortized for 30 years. We design for the future,’ Vago said.

 

Goldstein:  ‘A clear improvement’ in sustainability

Royal Caribbean Vice Chairman Adam Goldstein noted LNG is a ‘clear improvement in our sustainability profile’ since it addresses carbon dioxide, sulfur oxides, nitrogen oxide and particulate matter. This will help meet the International Maritime Organization’s commitment to reduce harmful emissions by 40% from 2008 to 2030.

Shipbuilders and suppliers indicate that beyond 2030, LNG will still play a role as other solutions develop.

‘We’re probably looking at LNG as an essential characteristic of sustainability for several decades to come,’ Goldstein said.

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Meyer Turku has notified Costa Cruises of a further delay in delivering the LNG-powered Costa Smeralda. The 180,000gt ship is now planned to enter service on Dec. 21 from Savona.

 

Size and complexity

‘The delay is due to the high complexity and the sheer size of the ship project,’ the Finnish yard said, apologizing to those who are impacted.

Costa said it is notifying travel agents and customers booked on cruises from Nov. 30 to Dec. 20.

 

Original hand-over date was mid-October

Costa Smeralda was originally due in mid-October, a date set back to mid-November by the shipyard on Sept. 16.

Edited by Biker19

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46 minutes ago, Ethanol95 said:

Is that delay expected to affect Icon?

Way too early to tell, but since she's the first of the class and includes of the same complex systems, maybe. I expect RCI to wait well into the build cycle before they allow bookings.

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On 10/21/2019 at 4:01 AM, CRUISEFAN0001 said:

Then of course...there's the voodoo math about estimated single/double/other occupancy based on cabin sizes and beds...

The numbers from the RCCL 10Q SEC filling posted yesterday:

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7 minutes ago, Biker19 said:

The numbers from the RCCL 10Q SEC filling posted yesterday:

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Those occupancy numbers of 5600 line up with the postings from the shipyard having her GRT at around 230,000.  Seems comparable to OA class but size could actually be quite different without an open Central Park or Boardwalk.

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7 hours ago, Ourusualbeach said:

Those occupancy numbers of 5600 line up with the postings from the shipyard having her GRT at around 230,000.  Seems comparable to OA class but size could actually be quite different without an open Central Park or Boardwalk.

Exactly.

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With this announcement, MSC Europa will be he largest at 250,000 GRT. May be RCI will make some changes to Icon t retain the title.

 

https://www.cruisecritic.com/news/4708/

 

"Carrying up to 6,761 passengers, the 250,000-tonne vessel will become the largest cruise ship in the world (by passenger capacity) when it debuts in 2022 -- eclipsing Royal Caribbean’s Symphony of the Seas, the current record holder, which can carry up to 6,680 passengers."

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5 minutes ago, Tall-Cruiser said:

With this announcement, MSC Europa will be he largest at 250,000 GRT. May be RCI will make some changes to Icon t retain the title.

 

https://www.cruisecritic.com/news/4708/

 

"Carrying up to 6,761 passengers, the 250,000-tonne vessel will become the largest cruise ship in the world (by passenger capacity) when it debuts in 2022 -- eclipsing Royal Caribbean’s Symphony of the Seas, the current record holder, which can carry up to 6,680 passengers."

Wrong tonnage given in this article.  200 - 205,000 is more likely. 

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7 minutes ago, Ourusualbeach said:

Wrong tonnage given in this article.  200 - 205,000 is more likely. 

 

I think you are right. Cruise Industry New has 204,000 and Seatrade Insider has 205,700.

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