*******Judge's June 3rd Decision re Carnival Corp Sanctions*****

[AtSeaWithChris]

4 minutes ago, jimbo5544 said:

Is cardboard the same as plastic towards the environment?

At least cardboard will break down.

[PrincessArlena'sDad]

2 minutes ago, MamallamaAndDaddy said:

At least cardboard will break down.

Not in landfill, it doesn't.  Paper products need O2 to decompose.  In landfill, paper products last just as long as Styrofoam and plastics.

 

But, plastics have a MUCH smaller carbon footprint to manufacture, and they don't require cutting down trees.  Plastics are also much easier to recycle, and recycled plastic is much more useful than recycled paper products.

[jimbo5544]

3 minutes ago, PrincessArlena'sDad said:

Not in landfill, it doesn't.  Paper products need O2 to decompose.  In landfill, paper products last just as long as Styrofoam and plastics.

 

But, plastics have a MUCH smaller carbon footprint to manufacture, and they don't require cutting down trees.  Plastics are also much easier to recycle, and recycled plastic is much more useful than recycled paper products.

You are forgetting one tiny fact

[AtSeaWithChris]

20 minutes ago, PrincessArlena'sDad said:

Not in landfill, it doesn't.  Paper products need O2 to decompose.  In landfill, paper products last just as long as Styrofoam and plastics.

 

But, plastics have a MUCH smaller carbon footprint to manufacture, and they don't require cutting down trees.  Plastics are also much easier to recycle, and recycled plastic is much more useful than recycled paper products.

A quick google search:

Plastic Versus Paper and Cardboard

For instance: Production of both paper and plastic bags requires energy and in both processes waste is generated. ... Recycling is preferable to landfill, and much more paper and cardboard is recycled than plastic.

[PrincessArlena'sDad]

19 minutes ago, MamallamaAndDaddy said:

A quick google search:

Plastic Versus Paper and Cardboard

For instance: Production of both paper and plastic bags requires energy and in both processes waste is generated. ... Recycling is preferable to landfill, and much more paper and cardboard is recycled than plastic.

There is nothing in this post that says why one would be preferred over the other. 

[AtSeaWithChris]

7 minutes ago, PrincessArlena'sDad said:

There is nothing in this post that says why one would be preferred over the other. 

Well, I'm not necessarily saying one is better than the other but recycling is better than landfill and paper is recycled more than plastic.

[jimbo5544]

2 hours ago, PrincessArlena'sDad said:

There is nothing in this post that says why one would be preferred over the other. 

From an ecology perspective there is

[PrincessArlena'sDad]

5 hours ago, MamallamaAndDaddy said:

Well, I'm not necessarily saying one is better than the other but recycling is better than landfill and paper is recycled more than plastic.

 

Agreed recycling is better than landfill.  

 

Paper is recycled more than plastic because we don't have enough plastic recycling centers.  We don't have enough paper ones, as well, for that matter.  But the percentage of plastic that the centers can handle is lower than that of paper.

 

3 hours ago, jimbo5544 said:

From an ecology perspective there is

 

When waste is not properly disposed of, then yes, plastic is worse than paper.

 

However, the solution isn't switching to paper.  The solution is making sure waste is properly disposed of. Which, of course, is the topic of this thread, to begin with.  If cruise ships do not dispose of their waste properly, then, yes, switching to paper will decrease harm to the environment.  This is cheap for them.  Better to put the money into the proper disposal of waste, and not switching to less environmentally friendly alternatives.  Decreasing the total volume of waste would help, as well.  

 

Along those lines, I've wondered about the tons of anti-bacterial wipes used on the ships.  The environment would be better off if they stopped using them.  And, I'm not convinced they do anything to prevent disease above basic sanitary practices.  In fact, some studies suggest that they may cause more disease than basic handwashing, as they kill the good bacterial colonies as well as the bad. And, the good colonies do help prevent the spread of disease, as well.

 

Of course, too many people don't practice good basic sanitary practices.

[ray98]

20 hours ago, jimbo5544 said:

Is cardboard the same as plastic towards the environment?

 

They both have their own challenges.

[jimbo5544]

4 minutes ago, ray98 said:

 

They both have their own challenges.

No argument there

[lottiegreen56]

I hope the judge locks mickey up, How do they keep getting away with this stuff?

[jimbo5544]

20 minutes ago, lottiegreen56 said:

I hope the judge locks mickey up, How do they keep getting away with this stuff?

LOL. I doubt you will see that.

[FiredogCruiser]

Apparently in this country we reward failure, not success. Any successful company will find itself a target sooner or later. Biggest get hit the hardest!