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1 hour ago, John Bull said:

 

But not if the helmsman is facing the stern and has his back to the wheel :classic_biggrin:.

 

On a more serious note, cap'n cheng - didn't "Port" & "Starboard" become irrelevant 2000 years ago, so aren't they a bit of an anachronism ? 

Shouldn't all seafarers now use "Left" and "Right"?

Are there any disadvantages other than there being one less topic in Cruise Critic ?

 

JB :classic_smile:

I certainly disagree that the terms "Port" & "Starboard" are irrelevant, as they are included in numerous regulations, including the International Regulations for the Prevention of Collisions at Sea 1972 (COLREGS).

 

For landlubbers, these words and other nautical terminology may be irrelevant, but for those of us working, or have worked in international shipping, they are part of the daily vocabulary. These were terms you learned on day 1 and Captains had an effective means of ensuring you only got it wrong once.

 

Disadvantages - I have worked with many crews with minimal to no English. As QM they knew Port & Starboard and how many times to turn the wheel, but left/right was a foreign language to them.

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15 hours ago, clo said:

The Seattle ones that I've noticed just have vending machines for food and beverages.  If there's anything else I'd be surprised,  The trips seems to be pretty short.

 

I ride the Seattle ferries every day.  They have cafeterias on board.  

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These are the double ended ferries being asked about.  They obviously are not typical vessels when describing port and starboard.  Port and starboard is determined by the direction in which the vessel is being operated. 

 

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And yes, these vessels do have cafeterias on board....at least, the ones serving Seattle do.  This is the café on Walla Walla.  It's not a cruise ship buffet or anything but they do serve comfort food along with beer and wine. 

 

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10 hours ago, John Bull said:

 

But for cars & shoes & other stuff mentioned in various posts left & right are pretty unambiguous, except to nerds, trolls & jokers,  - the presumption is that they're all L or R when looking toward the front, and the same applies to ships.

If I ask an officer whether the tenders will be leaving from the left or right side of the ship,  he knows exactly what I mean.

If the coastguard asks which side of the ship has got a damned big hole in it & is told it's the right-hand side, again he knows which side that is.

 

No, I don't want to look at the keel - if I can see it I reckon the ship is in pretty big trouble (that's the joker in me :classic_wink:)

Which creates another problem - if the ship has capsized, are port & starboard reversed? (that's the troll in me :classic_rolleyes:)

 

JB :classic_smile: 

Yes, you guessed - I've been having a pretty slow & boring day :classic_biggrin:

 

Hey, we gotta have some fun with this.  I just hope I never have to wonder which side is topside.   

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2 hours ago, Aquahound said:

at least, the ones serving Seattle do. 

I realized after posting that the last few years we've been taking the ferry from Tukwila to Whidbey Island, 30 minutes total, so no reason to have real food.  Don't want to spoil our appetite for the Penn Cove mussels at Toby's in Coupville.

 

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55 minutes ago, cruznjan said:

Port and left have four letters.

The original post.

Which side of the ship is PORT & STARBOARD?

 

Referencing the bow or the front of the ship.

 

The PORT side of the SHIP is the LEFT side of the SHIP.

 

PORT has 4 letters just like the word LEFT. Easy to remember.

 

STARBOARD is simply the right side of the SHIP and just the opposite of PORT.

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50 minutes ago, zekekelso said:

I’m good with port and starboard. Now draft vs beam, those can trip me up. 

Oh oh.... Now we’re really switching gears from two related things (port & starboard) to two things that aren’t connected much at all.

 

Draft - the vertical distance from the bottom of the keel to the waterline.  Often, ships have different drafts fore and aft which gives them a trim (normally by the stern).

 

Beam - the maximum width of the ship’s hull.  Usually located around amidships.  The maximum overall width of the ship may actually be greater if the bridge wings extend beyond the hull of the ship.

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Hate it when a person says how many floors up or down, or is it in the front or back. Don't the new elevators go front to back? Going to my room. Is that the kitchen? bathroom? The typical land lubber.

How about the nautical Mess deck. Bet that would put a confused look on many a face. 😎

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34 minutes ago, ALWAYS CRUZIN said:

How about the nautical Mess deck. Bet that would put a confused look on many a face. 😎

Sort of like a visit to ‘the heads’.

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On 8/3/2019 at 11:11 AM, dkjretired said:

 

That too, I grew up in the 50s in Northern NJ and listened to the very colorful announcers for the Yankees, Brooklyn Dodgers and NY Giants.

I grew up in the Bronx and Long Island, when baseball was a game. So many memories. Never being exposed to the ocean, I had to figure out why lefties were called portsiders

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8 hours ago, skrufy said:

lefties were called portsiders

I hope you’re not pulling our legs on this; it would be devastating to find out  that the most interesting thing I’ve learned on CC over the last 15 months is just another fabrication.

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On 5/28/2021 at 4:41 AM, d9704011 said:

I hope you’re not pulling our legs on this; it would be devastating to find out  that the most interesting thing I’ve learned on CC over the last 15 months is just another fabrication.

Would never do that to you

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31 minutes ago, navybankerteacher said:

Or send a green seaman apprentice just reported on board to get some relative bearing oil from the engine room.

While he’s stocking up, can ask the bosun for 100 feet of shore line.

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Hard to believe that there are 100+ posts on tricks on how to remember port and starboard.  Facing forward, port is to the left and starboard is to the right.  How hard can it be to remember that. 

 

If you have so much trouble remembering that, take a magic marker and write "Starboard" on your right hand and "port" on your left hand.  Now if you have trouble remembering forward and aft, I guess that you can write "forward" on your stomach and "aft" on your back.

 

DON

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5 hours ago, donaldsc said:

Now if you have trouble remembering forward and aft, I guess that you can write "forward" on your stomach and "aft" on your back.

This is a good example of why we need pages and pages of tips on how to identify and remember port and starboard.  Your suggestion is absolutely useless!  What happens if the person is not facing forward when he/she consults the belly or butt then refers to the hands?  Easy to get totally turned around!

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When I was in the Navy (never shipboard) I was told "red is never right." We had to make sure we had our blue and red wands in the correct hands, too. That was many, many moons ago.

 

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On 6/1/2021 at 9:11 AM, navybankerteacher said:

Or send a green seaman apprentice just reported on board to get some relative bearing oil from the engine room.

We sent them for DIFAR ink (airdale here working on P3 A-C avionics in the 80s).

 

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21 hours ago, fyree39 said:

When I was in the Navy (never shipboard) I was told "red is never right." We had to make sure we had our blue and red wands in the correct hands, too. That was many, many moons ago.

 

How about “red right returning” (except in the Med, of course)?

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43 minutes ago, navybankerteacher said:

How about “red right returning” (except in the Med, of course)?

Not sure that will help the landlubbers with port and starboard side of the ship.  More to do with buoyage system.

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