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1 minute ago, gospelle said:

no, pot is not important to me at all. I'm aware that crossing a border with cannabis is illegal, this thread is about travel within the country, so to use your analogy it would be like travelling between Vegas and Reno. Edibles are not legal in Canada currently.

 

You are NOT travelling within the Country. You are leaving Canada with entering the ship and re-entering the Country in the next port when going ashore.

 

 

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The Canadian rules posted above clearly make taking cannabis out of Canada:

 

36 minutes ago, hftmrock said:

While not Royal Caribbean policy...

 

It is illegal to take Cannabis out of Canada. so any other Royal Caribbean rules or laws are moot

 

https://travel.gc.ca/travelling/cannabis-and-international-travel

 

Leaving Canada

The legalization of cannabis in Canada did not change Canada’s border rules. Taking cannabis or any product containing cannabis across Canada’s international borders is illegal and can result in serious criminal penalties both at home and abroad.

 

So the moment your ship crosses into international waters your cannabis is an illegal drug no matter how you cut it and Royal says you can't have it on their ship. 

 

If you don't want to call Royal, try your lawyer,  they often are willing to research legal questions for a small fee.  

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Maybe I am missing something but why doesn't RCI just say cannabis is not allowed on there ship?

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30 minutes ago, gospelle said:

If I don't get a definitive answer, I won't bring anything onboard. There is also a difference between smoking and possession. It's possible it could be allowed in your possession between Canadian ports but not allowed to be consumed onboard. That's what the airlines in Canada do.

I think ,many have told you that you will not get a definitive answer,

 

now if you were to call royal, ask your question, and then ask them to either email or provide a link to the answer in writing that would be as close as you will get.

 

however I doubt they have a policy allowing it as it is illegal in their flag country and they are bound to those laws.

 

just like Canada cant force them to follow Canadian labor laws while in Canadian waters, being in Canadian waters doesn't override the flag countries laws.

 

I would think if you spent the time on google that you spent replying here you would have found the document you are looking for if it existed,

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54 minutes ago, 123funcruiser said:

It seems the Canadian Government can provide the answer to your Question...

 

https://travel.gc.ca/travelling/cannabis-and-international-travel

 

When leaving a Country OnBoard a ship you are Crossing a border, even if your next port of call will be in the same Country again. You will be leaving the countries territory as the ship will be in international water. 

So there you go. You’ve got your definitive answer in writing. Obviously not the answer you wanted but we see a lot of that here. Have a good day. 

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10 minutes ago, FLACRUISER99 said:

Maybe I am missing something but why doesn't RCI just say cannabis is not allowed on there ship?

 

Maybe because if they did specifically Mention one Thing they´d Need to be specific on many other drugs as well. It´s much easier for them to just say illegal drugs, when it´s illegal in many countries. 

The OP´s Situation doesn´t matter much, as while it´s legal in Canada it´s illegal to cross Canadian borders with it and with ships travel you cross borders, so it´s illegal to bring anyway. An with that we are beynond policies and back to Canadian laws again.

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1 minute ago, 123funcruiser said:

 

Maybe because if they did specifically Mention one Thing they´d Need to be specific on many other drugs as well. It´s much easier for them to just say illegal drugs, when it´s illegal in many countries. 

The OP´s Situation doesn´t matter much, as while it´s legal in Canada it´s illegal to cross Canadian borders with it and with ships travel you cross borders, so it´s illegal to bring anyway. An with that we are beynond policies and back to Canadian laws again.

But many OTC and RX US drugs are illegal in countries Like the UAE, so you cannot bring or have these onbord?

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18 minutes ago, blackshirt said:

However, if the ship goes into international waters between port stops, which it likely does so they can open the casino, then you are violating the Canadian law that was posted several times.

I understand this theory. Nobody so far though has shown that the laws of the Bahamas kick in under this circumstance. For example, several Royal Caribbean ships have been used for nude cruise charters while Bahamian law does not allow nude sunbathing. Also, as a matter of practicality, I think the origination and destination ports have some influence even if vessels may go outside the boundaries temporarily. For example, there is a ferry service between Tswassen BC and Victoria BC that sees vessels regularly sail through USA waters. These ferries do not prohibit cannabis possession.

 

I think the theory that somehow the flag of the vessel or the fact the ship goes into international waters between ports automatically prevents royal from allowing cannabis between two Canadian ports is more wild guessing than actual fact.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Host Clarea said:

Once the ship is at sea, the laws of the Bahamas are in force.

Cannabis is illegal in the Bahamas. So that's pretty cut and dry.

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11 minutes ago, gospelle said:

I understand this theory. Nobody so far though has shown that the laws of the Bahamas kick in under this circumstance. For example, several Royal Caribbean ships have been used for nude cruise charters while Bahamian law does not allow nude sunbathing. Also, as a matter of practicality, I think the origination and destination ports have some influence even if vessels may go outside the boundaries temporarily. For example, there is a ferry service between Tswassen BC and Victoria BC that sees vessels regularly sail through USA waters. These ferries do not prohibit cannabis possession.

 

I think the theory that somehow the flag of the vessel or the fact the ship goes into international waters between ports automatically prevents royal from allowing cannabis between two Canadian ports is more wild guessing than actual fact.

 

 

I would guess those ferries are Canadian flagged, so that´s a different matter than an international flagged ship. 

 

How About asking your Government for an answer if it´s allowed to take Cannabis on a foreign flagged cruise ship and off a foreign flagged cruise ship when travelling between Canadian ports. 

That could give you an answer on the possibility of your plans even without knowing RCI´s specific Policy on bringing and consuming canabis OnBoard when travelling between Canadian ports.

 

It´s not About Royals Policy allowing it, it´s About Canada allowing it be taken out of and into the Country.

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1 hour ago, ONECRUISER said:

Sounds like an answer to me

I  think the OP's question is, can he have marijuana while on ship in Canadian waters 

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14 minutes ago, gospelle said:

I understand this theory. Nobody so far though has shown that the laws of the Bahamas kick in under this circumstance. For example, several Royal Caribbean ships have been used for nude cruise charters while Bahamian law does not allow nude sunbathing. Also, as a matter of practicality, I think the origination and destination ports have some influence even if vessels may go outside the boundaries temporarily. For example, there is a ferry service between Tswassen BC and Victoria BC that sees vessels regularly sail through USA waters. These ferries do not prohibit cannabis possession.

 

I think the theory that somehow the flag of the vessel or the fact the ship goes into international waters between ports automatically prevents royal from allowing cannabis between two Canadian ports is more wild guessing than actual fact.

 

 

I dont think you understand what the Canada law states. It states you can NOT leave the borders of Canada with Cannabis or come in from international waters. Since the Cruise WILL go into international waters, you will be crossing in and out of Canada each time even though you are going back into Canada each time.

 

Taking cannabis or any product containing cannabis across Canada’s international borders is illegal and can result in serious criminal penalties both at home and abroad.

 

The ship WILL be crossing international borders each time to open the casinos

 

This is as cut and dry as it can be.

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1 hour ago, CruisingNole said:

 

It amazes me that people seek answers on an internet forum from random strangers regarding a matter that could potentially land them in jail as opposed to contacting the company setting such policies. Anonymous people on the internet are not exactly the most trustworthy source.

 

I have it on good authority that you are absolutely correct. 😉

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👀

11 minutes ago, Palmetto Pilot said:

Cannabis is illegal in the Bahamas. So that's pretty cut and dry.

LOL that is true, but we were on a bus back from a boat excursion in Nassau, and our lively driver stopped at a red light and some dodgy looking fellow gave him a bag of weed.  My seatmate and I LOLd.  It was broad daylight and the area was packed.!👀😉

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12 minutes ago, gospelle said:

Nobody so far though has shown that the laws of the Bahamas kick in under this circumstance.

Why does it matter? In the case of going into international waters, you are breaking Canadian law so it shouldn’t matter whether Bahama law applies or not.

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3 minutes ago, CILCIANRQTS said:

 

I have it on good authority that you are absolutely correct. 😉

Says you can not leave Canadian Border, going into International Waters is. Also specific, this includes Medical MJ. And this isnt even getting into a Royal/Bahama flagged ship law/policy. JUST SAY NO...at least this situation. But in past I have seen passengers arrested for Drugs on Royal ships, and getting off in US. 

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25 minutes ago, gerif said:

So there you go. You’ve got your definitive answer in writing. Obviously not the answer you wanted but we see a lot of that here. Have a good day. 

The person's link you quote references crossing international borders, not "temporarily using international waters to go between domestic ports". This is anything but definitive. Also, there are many ports on this cruise that do not use international waters, such as from Charlottetown to Halifax. 

 

Let me put this another way... Has anyone who has actually TAKEN a cruise departing from Canada since cannabis was legal and the next ports were also in Canada seen any signage saying cannabis is not allowed? Because if it were not allowed by the Canadian government (what that link referenced) there would be signs. Canada govt. has been very good at advertising the rules in places where it is ambiguous. For example, we took a cruise from Vancouver to Hawaii a few months back and there were signs at embarkation warning people it was not allowed, but in that case the next port of call was Hilo, HI. I'd be interested to hear from cruisers who have boarded in Canada where the next stop was also in Canada.

 

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15 minutes ago, Palmetto Pilot said:

Cannabis is illegal in the Bahamas. So that's pretty cut and dry.

so is public nudity. Royal ships have been used for nude cruise charters. so not so cut and dry.

 

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added the word "public"

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22 minutes ago, gospelle said:

I understand this theory. Nobody so far though has shown that the laws of the Bahamas kick in under this circumstance. For example, several Royal Caribbean ships have been used for nude cruise charters while Bahamian law does not allow nude sunbathing. Also, as a matter of practicality, I think the origination and destination ports have some influence even if vessels may go outside the boundaries temporarily. For example, there is a ferry service between Tswassen BC and Victoria BC that sees vessels regularly sail through USA waters. These ferries do not prohibit cannabis possession.

 

I think the theory that somehow the flag of the vessel or the fact the ship goes into international waters between ports automatically prevents royal from allowing cannabis between two Canadian ports is more wild guessing than actual fact.

 

 

 

While marijuana is legal in Canada, it is still illegal to cross the border into or out of Canada with marijuana.  Canada's border rules still prohibit it.  When you take a cruise, you are leaving the country of Canada, therefore crossing the border.   This means the mere possession is illegal. 

 

Ref flag state of the ship.  The posts haven't been totally accurate.  No, the laws of the Bahamas do not unilaterally kick in the moment you're on the ship or on the high seas.  The Bahamas is the flag state of the ship, or flag of convenience.   It's not Bahamian soil with Bahamian police patrolling.  For example, camouflage is illegal in the Bahamas, but you're not going to be arrested for wearing in on a Bahamian flagged ship.  Nor are the employees of the ship paying Bahamian income taxes.  See where I'm going with this?  Marijuana is not permitted on RCI by policy.  Policy states illegal drugs and as mentioned, boarding the ship is in intent to cross the border....therefore the mj is illegal.  

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To the OP:  Just go ahead and do what you want.  You have gotten an answer but apparently it is not what you want to hear.  Let us know how you make out.

 

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5 minutes ago, gospelle said:

so is nudity. Royal ships have been used for nude cruise charters. so not so cut and dry.

 

Not really. Many Laws, local, International, ect at times. No Alcohol, Gambling, Drugs, Nudity, even had situation few yrs ago couple had relations in Port on their Balcony. This where was Illegal in that Country as was same sex couple. AS was said taking Drugs into International waters or returning with is Illegal in Canada

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OP, we all realize you have an aversion to calling and asking for this information.  You state that you don't want to go on just the word of the person you speak with, which is understandable.  And obviously nobody on here is able to find this document that you seek. So why not call RC and ask them to point you to the appropriate document as opposed to just getting their opinion?

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There was definitely someone smoking pot on our last TA cruise. You could smell it going down the hallway every night.

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Appears OP has too much time on his hands and is happy to challenge each post.

Life is too short...bye bye!

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Posted (edited)
12 minutes ago, ONECRUISER said:

Says you can not leave Canadian Border, going into International Waters is. Also specific, this includes Medical MJ. And this isnt even getting into a Royal/Bahama flagged ship law/policy. JUST SAY NO...at least this situation. But in past I have seen passengers arrested for Drugs on Royal ships, and getting off in US. 

sorry, that article does not talk about "leaving Canadian border" it talks about crossing an international border. It seems pretty clear they're talking about going from Canada to another country. It is not clear that a ship temporarily using international waters between two Canadian ports is in any way not allowed. It is not even clear that the ship will use international waters between some of these ports. they are very close together (St. John NB, Charlottetown PE, Halifax NS are very close together).

 

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