Bases5 Posted August 18, 2019 #1 Share Posted August 18, 2019 What should the host percentage be in the odd chance we hit a Hand Pay during the slot pull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Fusion FoodsJ Posted August 18, 2019 #2 Share Posted August 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Bases5 said: What should the host percentage be in the odd chance we hit a Hand Pay during the slot pull The host percentage should be zero! Unless of course they were one of the high scorers based on the rules set for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bases5 Posted August 18, 2019 Author #3 Share Posted August 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, Funky Fusion FoodsJ said: The host percentage should be zero! Unless of course they were one of the high scorers based on the rules set for everyone. So the host should pay the tax's if there is a hand pay and everyone else walks scott free? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Fusion FoodsJ Posted August 18, 2019 #4 Share Posted August 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Bases5 said: So the host should pay the tax's if there is a hand pay and everyone else walks scott free? Ahhh...you didn't add that in your question that they'd be using your players card. The easiest answer is, don't have a players card inserted! I know it is attractive to have your card in to get the additional players points, but not worth it in the event of a payout. Just don't have a players card inserted and either: have someone (such as from Canada) from a country that won't have to pay taxes claim the winning, or agree among yourselves who will claim the winning and give them a share to account for their tax liability (usually 30% of the jackpot to account for state/federal/possible local). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkjretired Posted September 2, 2019 #5 Share Posted September 2, 2019 On 8/18/2019 at 8:14 AM, Bases5 said: What should the host percentage be in the odd chance we hit a Hand Pay during the slot pull Was on Celebrity in a slot pull and one of the people hit a hand pay. Celebrity did nothing as far as a 1099g. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare c-boy Posted September 4, 2019 #6 Share Posted September 4, 2019 that's interesting dkj , we were greeted by the casino manager and her assistant and they explained steps in completing W - 2G form before departing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casino Comp Chick Posted September 5, 2019 #7 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Try to have someone with a Canadian passport in the pull, they are tax free. If you get a jackpot refund them their buyin and split the remainder. It doesn’t matter whose card is in the machine but if sailing NCL just know that handpay will be held against you when booking your next comp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlipperyP Posted September 7, 2019 #8 Share Posted September 7, 2019 On 9/5/2019 at 5:47 AM, Casino Comp Chick said: have someone with a Canadian passport in the pull, they are tax free On 8/18/2019 at 11:13 AM, Funky Fusion FoodsJ said: have someone (such as from Canada) from a country that won't have to pay taxes Are you guys sure about this for Canadians? If so, this makes me very happy 🙂. If not, OP should find someone from a different country. As a Canadian, I get 30% withheld for taxes on handpays in US casinos. I have to file US income tax and IF my losses exceed winnings, only then do I get some/all of it back. I assumed this would be the same for cruise/casinos owned by a US company. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casino Comp Chick Posted September 13, 2019 #9 Share Posted September 13, 2019 On 9/7/2019 at 6:56 PM, SlipperyP said: Are you guys sure about this for Canadians? If so, this makes me very happy 🙂. If not, OP should find someone from a different country. As a Canadian, I get 30% withheld for taxes on handpays in US casinos. I have to file US income tax and IF my losses exceed winnings, only then do I get some/all of it back. I assumed this would be the same for cruise/casinos owned by a US company. Yes. We have had Canadians claim the jackpot and they were not issued tax forms, they had to produce their passport and sign for the claim for the casinos purpose only. There are lots of threads about it online and on CC. https://www.casino.ca/guides/taxation/ That said, us Canadians don't have to worry. Unless you are a professional gambler, gambling winnings are considered windfall under traditional common law and not subject to tax. When we win on board, I believe they still issue a 1099 essentially for their records, but it certainly isn't reportable income to the IRS and it's just a piece of paper for the Canada Revenue Agency. (Note: If you have more than $10,000 in cash or cheques, you still have to report that at U.S. and Canadian customs. It's not taxable, but it can be confiscated if not claimed. And for the U.S. that means reporting it when you arrive back to port and again when you're leaving the country.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlipperyP Posted September 15, 2019 #10 Share Posted September 15, 2019 On 9/13/2019 at 6:24 AM, Casino Comp Chick said: Yes. We have had Canadians claim the jackpot and they were not issued tax forms, they had to produce their passport and sign for the claim for the casinos purpose only. There are lots of threads about it online and on CC. https://www.casino.ca/guides/taxation/ That said, us Canadians don't have to worry. Unless you are a professional gambler, gambling winnings are considered windfall under traditional common law and not subject to tax. When we win on board, I believe they still issue a 1099 essentially for their records, but it certainly isn't reportable income to the IRS and it's just a piece of paper for the Canada Revenue Agency. Thanks for the link. However, under the section "What About Gambling in The USA Or Vegas As a Canadian Citizen?", it states: If you head over to the land of the red, white and blue to gamble, you will have to pay taxes on anything over $1200 USD. If you think you can just not declare it, think again. When you walk up to that booth to happily cash out, 30% is automatically deducted. You don't even have a say so. I can confirm this is true as I have personally had a number of hand-pays in Las Vegas and New Orleans and have had 30% for taxes withheld each time. I was issued a 1042-S form (Foreign Person's U.S. Source Income Subject to Withholding) which I used to file a U.S. Income Tax to get it (or a portion of it) back. I guess what I was really wondering was (although I didn't really say it clearly) if there are criteria on cruise casinos that would affect Canadians having to pay taxes - e.g. US-based/registered cruise line, being in international waters, home port, etc. - since some Canadians didn't pay taxes on their cruise casino hand pays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casino Comp Chick Posted September 15, 2019 #11 Share Posted September 15, 2019 Cruise ships are exempt as they are flagged in the Bahamas. Trust me, we had a hand pay and a frenemy collected on it using her Canadian passport, I would have heard about it by now had she been taxed on it. Her and her husband trash talk me every chance they get so I am 100% sure on this one haha. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkjretired Posted September 23, 2019 #12 Share Posted September 23, 2019 On 9/15/2019 at 4:20 PM, Casino Comp Chick said: Cruise ships are exempt as they are flagged in the Bahamas. Trust me, we had a hand pay and a frenemy collected on it using her Canadian passport, I would have heard about it by now had she been taxed on it. Her and her husband trash talk me every chance they get so I am 100% sure on this one haha. Has nothing to do with where the ship is flagged, has totally to do with the laws of your country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casino Comp Chick Posted September 24, 2019 #13 Share Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, dkjretired said: Has nothing to do with where the ship is flagged, has totally to do with the laws of your country. Not true otherwise we would get a W2-G on hand pays in the Bahamas at places like the Atlantis or Bahamar. Americans don’t. Edited September 24, 2019 by Casino Comp Chick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkjretired Posted September 25, 2019 #14 Share Posted September 25, 2019 (edited) On 9/24/2019 at 4:30 AM, Casino Comp Chick said: Not true otherwise we would get a W2-G on hand pays in the Bahamas at places like the Atlantis or Bahamar. Americans don’t. Depends on the casinos following laws of the countries that the winner comes from, has nothing to do with where the ships are flagged. They are flagged all over the world not just Bahamas Edited September 25, 2019 by dkjretired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casino Comp Chick Posted September 26, 2019 #15 Share Posted September 26, 2019 (edited) 21 hours ago, dkjretired said: Depends on the casinos following laws of the countries that the winner comes from, has nothing to do with where the ships are flagged. They are flagged all over the world not just Bahamas Ok in all fairness I sail out of the Northeast where the ships are flagged out of the Bahamas and that has always been my experience (& I have lots of experience!) & I will leave it at that. Edited September 26, 2019 by Casino Comp Chick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justaddvodka68 Posted October 11, 2019 #16 Share Posted October 11, 2019 On 9/7/2019 at 6:56 PM, SlipperyP said: Are you guys sure about this for Canadians? If so, this makes me very happy 🙂. If not, OP should find someone from a different country. As a Canadian, I get 30% withheld for taxes on handpays in US casinos. I have to file US income tax and IF my losses exceed winnings, only then do I get some/all of it back. I assumed this would be the same for cruise/casinos owned by a US company. You do have to file a us tax return to get the taxes withheld refunded, if the casino withholds. The casino shouldn't withhold funds for a Canadian and send it to the US, as they aren't on US soil. Many have testified that the casino may issue a w2g to a Canadian, without withholding. The Canadian can then just toss it in the trash, as they don't owe Canada taxes on them and they aren't obligated to file in the US. On 9/24/2019 at 4:30 AM, Casino Comp Chick said: Has nothing to do with where the ship is flagged, has totally to do with the laws of your country. Not true otherwise we would get a W2-G on hand pays in the Bahamas at places like the Atlantis or Bahamar. Americans don’t. Whether you owe taxes or not has to do with the laws of your country. Whether the casino issues a W2-G or not depends on if they have a policy, either nationally or that casino to operate under US laws. The W2-G is a US tax form. The US can require that US citizens claim and pay taxes on gambling winnings, but it can't force casinos in other countries to withhold and file W2-G's on their behalf. So both of these statements are true. If the ship has a presence in the US, regardless of where it's flagged, they will likely follow US regulations regarding issuance of W2-Gs. The Bahama Casinos have no requirement to tax US citizens or file W-2s on payouts to US Citizens. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkjretired Posted October 16, 2019 #17 Share Posted October 16, 2019 On 10/11/2019 at 10:54 AM, Justaddvodka68 said: You do have to file a us tax return to get the taxes withheld refunded, if the casino withholds. The casino shouldn't withhold funds for a Canadian and send it to the US, as they aren't on US soil. Many have testified that the casino may issue a w2g to a Canadian, without withholding. The Canadian can then just toss it in the trash, as they don't owe Canada taxes on them and they aren't obligated to file in the US. Whether you owe taxes or not has to do with the laws of your country. Whether the casino issues a W2-G or not depends on if they have a policy, either nationally or that casino to operate under US laws. The W2-G is a US tax form. The US can require that US citizens claim and pay taxes on gambling winnings, but it can't force casinos in other countries to withhold and file W2-G's on their behalf. So both of these statements are true. If the ship has a presence in the US, regardless of where it's flagged, they will likely follow US regulations regarding issuance of W2-Gs. The Bahama Casinos have no requirement to tax US citizens or file W-2s on payouts to US Citizens. Add to this that some casinos on ships are contracted out to companies not owned by the cruise line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tumblew467 Posted January 19, 2020 #18 Share Posted January 19, 2020 On 9/5/2019 at 5:47 AM, Casino Comp Chick said: Try to have someone with a Canadian passport in the pull, they are tax free. If you get a jackpot refund them their buyin and split the remainder. It doesn’t matter whose card is in the machine but if sailing NCL just know that handpay will be held against you when booking your next comp can you tell me why it is held against you thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourfigg Posted January 19, 2020 #19 Share Posted January 19, 2020 We will be on the Celebrity Constellation in April 2020. I printed my Xpress pass and on the pass I am listed as Amethyst for the casinos. This is only own 7th cruise all on Celebrity and we actually do not gamble a lot per cruise. So I was so surprised I am at this level. Could it be a mistake? Anyway looking at the benefits it seems I get a unlimited digital package for free. We already have all 4 perks so not interested in free drinks in casino. What is an annual cruise benefit and also does it seem I get $100 in free chips? Thanks for any information. Leesa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casino Comp Chick Posted January 20, 2020 #20 Share Posted January 20, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, tumblew467 said: can you tell me why it is held against you thanks Since the new management took over after Kevin Sheehan comps are now based on how much money you lose, not how many points you earn. The reps have actually told people....you won....you can just buy the room yourself. They really turned the screws on a lot of people and they are now branching out to other cruise lines. Edited January 20, 2020 by Casino Comp Chick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tumblew467 Posted January 20, 2020 #21 Share Posted January 20, 2020 7 hours ago, Casino Comp Chick said: Since the new management took over after Kevin Sheehan comps are now based on how much money you lose, not how many points you earn. The reps have actually told people....you won....you can just buy the room yourself. They really turned the screws on a lot of people and they are now branching out to other cruise lines. kind of figured but was not 100% sure. Bc I hit for close to $4000 on our last cruise and my rep at casino at sea wasn't giving me a great deal as he did before. Good thing I had another cruise booked already before that winning cruise. At least I was offered a mini suite as a comp as was able to upgrade to Haven at a great price.And I kept watching the prices drop through out the year and saved another $1700 on the cruise. I would just call him and he would adjust the price. Of course this was all before final payment. But I am happy with it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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