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7 minutes ago, A&L_Ont said:


Thanks for returning Victoria. 
 

Quick question for you, your GoPro wire/strap I saw the your pics, where did you find it?  I have the same suction base but throw caution to the wind and just leave it. If it falls it is gone. 😳

 

Yes! I used a braided steel coat security cable and just wrapped it around the GoPro base and the rail to secure it so if it falls, it doesn't fall far. This is the specific cable pack I have and use which I like because it's only 3mm in diameter, so easy to pack and manage - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0778QRPBZ/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=ll1&tag=victoonvaca04-20&linkId=be526c06064de271e3c5436c682aae5f&language=en_US 

 

Also, if you need more length, you can loop two or three cables together.

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11 minutes ago, LittleMissMagic said:

 

Yes! I used a braided steel coat security cable and just wrapped it around the GoPro base and the rail to secure it so if it falls, it doesn't fall far. This is the specific cable pack I have and use which I like because it's only 3mm in diameter, so easy to pack and manage - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0778QRPBZ/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=ll1&tag=victoonvaca04-20&linkId=be526c06064de271e3c5436c682aae5f&language=en_US 

 

Also, if you need more length, you can loop two or three cables together.


Thanks. I have probably tempted the fates too many times with my iPhone and GoPro. I need to get one. 
 

I actually have, lost a GoPro heading to Jost VanDyke off the side of a power boat. Maybe it was an excuse to get a new one. 🤦‍♂️

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On 3/10/2020 at 3:11 PM, LittleMissMagic said:

I haven't gotten into Flowriding like that yet, but maybe one day I'll be out there impressing all the kids on the surf simulator.


@LittleMissMagic  Your reviews are right up there with the best of them.  Thanks for coming back.  
 

Here’s a warning about the Flowrider.  It can be very addicting!  Until you actually experience riding on the water somewhat in control doing standup, you’ll never know what the hook is all about.  I’d encourage you to take a lesson or two with a good instructor.  The stuff you learn in a few lessons would be more than what you’d learn on your own in 10+ cruises from my estimate.  My DW tried it when I was first learning without a lesson and she had a nasty fall.  She swore the Flowrider off after that.  She then sat on the sidelines and watched for over five years before she tried it again.  She became inspired to try it again from an older person who had overcome some difficulties and was pretty good.  The second time around she had a great instructor, learned a few of the basics, and she’s been hooked ever since.  

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Just now, atgood said:


@LittleMissMagic  Your reviews are right up there with the best of them.  Thanks for coming back.  
 

Here’s a warning about the Flowrider.  It can be very addicting!  Until you actually experience riding on the water somewhat in control doing standup, you’ll never know what the hook is all about.  I’d encourage you to take a lesson or two with a good instructor.  The stuff you learn in a few lessons would be more than what you’d learn on your own in 10+ cruises from my estimate.  My DW tried it when I was first learning without a lesson and she had a nasty fall.  She swore the Flowrider off after that.  She then sat on the sidelines and watched for over five years before she tried it again.  She became inspired to try it again from an older person who had overcome some difficulties and was pretty good.  The second time around she had a great instructor, learned a few of the basics, and she’s been hooked ever since.  

 

I think learning from a private instructor is the only way I would really learn to like it. I need time to figure things out and to fall and be able to get right back into it, rather than waiting in a line. I'm very intrigued by the private lessons they offer - maybe on another cruise, I'll convince Rachel and my dad to go in together with a group session.

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2 minutes ago, LittleMissMagic said:

 

I think learning from a private instructor is the only way I would really learn to like it. I need time to figure things out and to fall and be able to get right back into it, rather than waiting in a line. I'm very intrigued by the private lessons they offer - maybe on another cruise, I'll convince Rachel and my dad to go in together with a group session.

Three very important things I can add:

 

1.  When starting out as a newbie, the best way to avoid a bad fall is to just sit down whenever you feel out of control (resist the urge to stay standing).  There will be more opportunities to get back on the board.  The injuries I’ve seen usually are from someone new who goes out of control soon after their ride starts and them not knowing what to do to escape their predicament.  Uncontrolled fall=increased chance for injury. 
 

2.  Next, you gotta be loose, especially in the hips.  You can’t turn if you’re stiff.  It took me an embarrassingly long time to figure that part b/c I didn’t know any decent riders at the time for pointers and was too cheap to pay for lessons back in the day.  

 

3.  Lessons are $69/pp.  They usually run with a group from 4-8 ppl.  The key is to get in a lesson of four ppl so you’ll have more time on the wave during the one hr lesson.  I’ve had luck going to a sports staff supervisor to look at time slots available for a lesson towards the end of the public Flowrider session and already having four of us for a group.  Sometimes they have time available for a lesson at the end of the day or first thing in the morning to which no one has signed up.  The supervisor will make the slot available for us and since there’s very little time left for anyone else to sign up, it ends up just being the four of us.  
 

Good luck on your next adventure wherever you go.  

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Last day! Rachel and I had a fun and active morning planned.

 

49427627758_48da7d758f_b.jpgSea Day by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

49427627473_06d0661751_b.jpgAt Sea by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

49428099026_d99a8f0ab2_b.jpgAt Sea by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

We decided that we were going to tackle the rock climbing wall. It's been.... maybe a decade since I have attempted that. The last I remember scaling a wall on the back of the cruise ship was on Grandeur of the Seas when it was bumpy and windy, and the rock wall felt like it was completely over the ocean. I wasn't all the way to the top, but I looked back and had a mini panic attack. This was back when they used to have crew members belaying you (it's now mechanical), and I looked down at the crew member and said, "I want to come down." "You're almost at the top!" "No, I want to come down." "Keep going!!!" "I'M COMING DOWN!" And I repelled back off the wall. He was very annoyed at me for giving up. So, needless to say, I wasn't super excited about trying this again.

 

49427627288_fe39d1368b_b.jpgRock Wall by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

Harmony of the Seas has not one, but two rock walls. Only one was being used when we went to climb in the morning. It was actually pretty popular - lots of people giving it a try. Rachel and I got our shoes and joined the line.

 

49428098606_2b88995099_b.jpgRock Wall by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

The rock walls are above and on either side of the aqua theater. Our plan was to climb the wall, then go get seats for the aqua show that morning.

 

49428323322_a68b25cc93_b.jpgAqua Show by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

49427626668_5c85900fdb_b.jpgRock Wall by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

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So Rachel went first. She was put on the right (I believe more difficult side), and I went right after her, so I wasn't able to get any photos of her climb. That is because she fell off the wall about halfway up, and they operate this pretty efficiently because once you fall, you're done. But, she was able to grab her phone and take photos of me.

I made it to the first bell, rang it, and was like, "Okay, I'll come down, now." But Rachel yelled at me, "KEEP GOING!" Realizing my only way off the wall was to jump backwards and trust that the mechanical belay will engage, I decided that it was less nerve-wracking to keep climbing than to repel down.

 

49553437241_169ba0ef93_b.jpgUntitled by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

I was shaking the entire time. I don't have a lot of fears, but falling off a rock wall is one of them.

But I made it!

 

49553437216_3434507f6f_b.jpgUntitled by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

Now the most dreadful part..... repelling down! It was totally terrifying to take that faithful fall. The difference between the mechanical belay and a human person belaying you is that the mechanical belay has slack on the rope the entire time. It will not pull you up, and it will not engage unless you fall. A human belay can tell you, "Alright, come down," and start putting tension on the rope. (A human belay can also help pull you to the next rock if you're a little kid that needs help.) It's definitely more scary to belay than climb.

 

49552942313_06d116f55d_b.jpgUntitled by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

I came down, still shaking and heart racing. So. Much. Adrenaline.

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But it was time to get seats for the show. See the shadow pattern on the seating below.... this photo was taken while we were waiting in line for the rock wall. By the time we were done climbing, the shadow had lessened, and all of the shady spots were taken.

 

49428098221_108c5827ef_b.jpgAqua Show by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

So Rachel and I were forced to find a seat in the SWELTERING sun. It was so hot and uncomfortable.

 

49427626378_8085cd547a_b.jpgAbyss by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

After staking out our seats in the aqua theater around 30 minute prior to showtime, we were already sweating. And then we had to endure an HOUR-LONG show!!!

This is called "Big Daddy's Hideaway Heist," and let me tell you, it is strange. I think this takes place during the 50s... maybe the 60s. Basically Big Daddy owns a resort and has lots of money and lots of babes. It's just what you were hoping for in a show - classic sexist tropes.

It started out with some slack rope which is certainly one of the most entertaining skills.

 

49427626283_9a47dc69e2_b.jpgAqua Show by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

49428322517_912624dff2_b.jpgAqua Show by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

49428322367_f2a0490fa2_b.jpgAqua Show by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

49427625433_ea11761305_b.jpgAqua Show by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

That was cool. Great start. Maybe they should've ended it right there.

Now it's time for this guy to come out and spin in circles twirling his skirt for an uncomfortably long period of time while these men who are certainly not of islander decent perform native dances. Cultural appropriation at its finest.

 

49428096746_ef10c15e28_b.jpgAqua Show by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

Oh, thank goodness. He's done spinning...

 

49427624653_2048c0d97f_b.jpgAqua Show by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

 

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Now the biggest issue I have with this is that the show's cast is made of skilled divers and acrobats. They are not dancers. So why do they dance so often??

 

49428096206_a0c6e66a5f_b.jpgAqua Show by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

Oh, great. Someone wearing a Tiki mask.

 

49427624298_d3d90223fe_b.jpgAqua Show by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

If you're wondering who Big Daddy is, he's the guy in the green suit. He spends most of the show walking around flamboyantly and flashing his riches. He has a lot of diamonds, and at one point they do a number to "Diamonds are a Girls' Best Friend.

 

49428095496_6d6b35459d_b.jpgAqua Show by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

Oh, yay - back to the water talent. Synchronized swimmers.

 

49428095081_a83e6d513c_b.jpgAqua Show by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

49428319777_4b17ef0196_b.jpgAqua Show by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

The diving is my favorite. Obviously there has to be some lull in between because they dive down and then have to make their way back up, but I think they could work on pacing.

 

49428319272_2d86b1a288_b.jpgAqua Show by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

So this part is strange. This guy is suspended from a rope dressed as a flamingo. They leave him up here for at least 10 minutes.
 

49427622298_158f2a66c7_b.jpgAqua Show by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

49427622203_cf54a63e3b_b.jpgAqua Show by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

The trampoline part is enjoyable. The crew dressed in yellow right now is the skilled divers/acrobats.

 

49428093901_e8434f1a23_b.jpgAqua Show by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

Okay, so while Big Daddy was walking around like he owns the place (he does) and oggling women, a robber came and stole all of his diamonds.

 

49428093736_ffe0c00c99_b.jpgAqua Show by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

Time for some real high diving! Pay no mind to my dirty sensor, I've since cleaned it...

 

49428318512_af58d2bdcb_b.jpgAqua Show by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

49427621533_94fa004724_b.jpgAqua Show by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

49427621323_94bbd72c97_b.jpgAqua Show by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

49428092931_1f8baed346_b.jpgAqua Show by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

Yay! Our hero caught the robber and got the diamonds back. Phew! I was really sweating that (literally sweating, remember).

 

49428314652_2c8281d708_b.jpgAqua Show by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

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Time for a final number... finally.

 

49428317562_7cf2661bde_b.jpgAqua Show by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

49428092496_ccffd26573_b.jpgAqua Show by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

49427620588_ec554fdc75_b.jpgAqua Show by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

Okay, so overall consensus of the show is that it is 20-30 minutes too long. They need to do some edits and cut some of the nonsense filler content. I understand the divers need to rest and reposition, but I think it could be reworked with less downtime. Also, the narrative is very corny. They were kind of leaning into the cheesiness Deadman-style with silly graphics. But in my opinion, they didn't hit the satire sharply enough for it to overcome the exhausted storylines and low production cost. I would say ditch the silly costumes, storyline, and Big Daddy character and lean into the talent.

 

49428092331_17b1dbf61f_b.jpgAqua Show by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

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Time for lunch! Finally, we got to try the teppanyaki grill side of Izumi. It was a sea day so table service lunch is included with the dining package. If you have the package, you can order anything from the teppanyaki menu, but if you're sitting at the grill and order sushi, it's an additional charge.

 

49428092226_95e3cf3e56_b.jpgIzumi by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

49427620333_4508892dde_b.jpgIzumi by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

Our chef was fun. It can get a little loud in there with all three grills going. Also, they all do pretty much the same schtick, so if you see one chef come out, then the next comes out, it's going to be mostly the same jokes (so maybe don't watch if you want to be surprised).

 

49428317052_e5c3302156_b.jpgIzumi by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

49428316992_fcd76098c7_b.jpgIzumi by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

49428089726_2de1a8ed17_b.jpgIzumi by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

49428316862_7a77cd1ab0_b.jpgIzumi by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

49428316807_673217085c_b.jpgIzumi by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

49428091616_b2948dc8dc_b.jpgIzumi by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

49428316482_56c5c850fe_b.jpgIzumi by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

The craziest thing happened - I caught egg in my mouth first try! I'll likely never be able to repeat that, so I need to be sure to brag right now.

 

49428316417_fd7647f38e_b.jpgIzumi by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

49428316317_92fc796e4d_b.jpgIzumi by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

I ordered the Gyu, which is the beef, because you probably know me by now.... I'm a red meat-lover. It's very good. Teppanyaki is usually pretty consistent, so this is a safe bet for good food.

 

49428091341_2df2ccf939_b.jpgIzumi by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

And dessert! Mom tried the Sesame Balls since we'd already had the mochi when dining on the sushi side. Pretty interesting.

 

49428091276_79e844ec57_b.jpgIzumi by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

 

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Last day of the cruise - such a bittersweet time!

 

49428316117_8417a8d1f5_b.jpgAt Sea by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

49427619093_3aec215e1d_b.jpgAt Sea by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

After lunch, we went up to the pool deck to squeeze in some more fun in the sun.

 

49427618988_c5af2927af_b.jpgBeach Pool by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

49428090486_b8accc2a39_b.jpgBeach Pool by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

And then time to get ready for dinner!

 

49428090886_1e5138c779_b.jpgCruise Life by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

49427618858_9574927905_b.jpgCruise Life by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

49428090561_389ebf83ab_b.jpgCruise Life by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

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Tonight we had another reservation for Chops Grille. This time we were seated outside on the Central Park patio area which is a very nice atmosphere. If it's not too cold or rainy, I'd recommend requesting the outdoor seating.

First up, Ahi Tuna.

 

49428315627_72d5aeea83_b.jpgTuna Tartar by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

Here's the crab cake, which was Mom's first course that night.

 

49428090626_1f67d3acdb_b.jpgCrab Cake by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

And Rachel got the shrimp cocktail.

 

49427619798_58afc2e2d0_b.jpgShrimp Cocktail by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

I really like the Crispy Goat Cheese Salad.

 

49428090161_50d4ebc1b6_b.jpgCrispy Goat Cheese Salad by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

And then here's Rachel's Caesar salad... much more appetizing than the one in the main dining room.
 

49428090106_4a3a126e05_b.jpgCaesar Salad by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

Soup! Tomato Bisque -

 

49427617503_8ebfdb4657_b.jpgTomato Bisque by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

Tonight I ordered Filet Mignon.

 

49428100456_717be6530f_b.jpgFilet Mignon by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

Medium-rare - perfection!

 

49427628698_dd75eddf76_b.jpgFilet Mignon Medium Rare by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

But Rachel has some issues, man. EVERY TIME! It's not just this cruise. She always orders her steak medium-rare, but it's usually overdone. At one point she decided it's because I ordered my steak medium, but they would always bring me her medium-rare. So now I order medium-rare, but still her steaks are overdone. This time I got some photographic evidence...

 

49428100331_6ffe9fd552_b.jpgFilet Mignon Supposedly Medium Rare by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

Again, they do a share-style for the sides...

 

49428100216_1eb4e54fd4_b.jpgSides to Share by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

For dessert, Rachel asked our waiter if it would be possible to get the fried cheesecake from 150 Central Park (remember, we had to leave before dessert at 150 Central Park so we could make it to the Aqua Show). And he delivered!! I guess that made up for her overdone steak.

 

49428100121_a11333726c_b.jpgDessert by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

The Warm Chocolate Cake -

 

49428099986_b0ea8eefcf_b.jpgDessert by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

The New York Cheesecake, which we had all decided was the best dessert at Chops Grille the previous time we visited -

 

49427628083_724deece61_b.jpgCheesecake by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

Rachel said if she could tweak some things, she would've booked a second reservation for 150 Central Park (we didn't know we'd be rushed that night) instead of Chops Grille. But I didn't mind eating at Chops twice. And I really liked the outdoor seating.

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Now...

You may have noticed the orange flag flying on our balcony. The Shinglebells are huge Clemson football fans. And this was the week of College Football Playoffs. It happens every year, no matter the cruise line..... lots of Americans onboard want to watch College Football Playoffs, and the cruise line doesn't understand the great importance of this to their football-loving passengers. Earlier in the week they had played some college football games in the Aqua Theater, so I was really hoping that, you know, the two very important College Football Playoff games would be shown in the Aqua Theater. Nope. They announced earlier that the Clemson v. Ohio State game would be shown in Sabor. Great! We love Sabor. So Rachel went ahead and made us a dining reservation so that we'd have a spot to watch.

Well..... it was 9 PM the last evening of the cruise, and it was very evident that the crew was ready to start cleaning. I guess they knew we were there to watch the game because we weren't even offered food from the menu.

And then.... the most annoying thing that can happen.... NO AUDIO FOR THE GAME! Ughh!!! Why is this always a problem, Royal Caribbean??? I thought that since they had designated a location for game viewing that there would definitely be audio. We asked the staff, and they said they weren't able to change it.

If you watched the Clemson V. Ohio State game, you'll know that was a really rough game to watch. Especially when you're relying on lip reading the ref's mouth to see what the call was. You'd think they could at least provide some closed captioning!!

This is why we need to go on a Disney Cruise over Christmas - for the ESPN College Football Playoff coverage.
 

49427628173_ea39981b85_b.jpgCollege Football Playoffs by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

They really could not wait to start cleaning up. I understand that they have a lot of work to do, but they still had a lot of guests sitting in this venue watching a scheduled event.

 

After the game (We won - that game. Don't talk to me about the next CFP game. I'm still bitter.), Rachel and I decided to stay out a little bit longer. We went to good ole' Schooner Bar. While we were sipping on lavender martinis, we watched this crew take apart the Christmas tree. It was quite comical. They had roped off the area behind them, but they blocked off the exit to Sorrentos' by just placing a chair there. So people didn't understand the chair was actually a safety barrier and would walk past the chair, so the crew would say, "No! No! You can't go this way!" And the people would keep walking anyway because at that point the damage was done. So the crew would add more chairs to this barrier until eventually enough chairs completely blocked the exit. The entire act was very unsafe. Especially when they started getting higher - rather than bringing over a ladder or lift, these guys started climbing the tree to remove the branches (they got a lift over eventually). But maybe you can tell who I work for because the entire time I was watching this, all I could think was "This is Bad Show!!!!" The boxes, the crew disassembling decor while guests are still out and about and venues are open.... it's not a good look. Way to kill the magic. If there isn't time to remove the tree while guests are sleeping and venues are closed, then it's time to get a new scheduler.

 

49428099326_c1c2054160_b.jpgAtrium Tree Take-Down by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

I hate that the last evening had to end with two "Bad Show" complaints because really this entire vacation was so great. My main critique to Royal is that on the last day, once you tip your evening wait staff (well, symbolically - we didn't do MDR), it's very clear that your cruise is over and now the priority is getting the ship ready for the next guests. That's not a good way to end a vacation! Keep the stage set until the venues close.

Rachel and I grabbed some late night Sorrento's before going to bed. And the next morning we awoke in Port Canaveral!

 

49428314882_09f47d65e9_b.jpgCape Canaveral by Victoria Shingleton, on Flickr

 

This was truly a great cruise. Overall it made me enjoy Royal Caribbean more. After our cruise last Christmas on Navigator of the Seas, I left unimpressed. However, I attribute this cruise being so great to my sister Rachel, who took charge of planning to give us an enjoyable experience that didn't feel like we were just being herded around like cattle on a megaship. I think having the Ultimate Dining Package (also kudos to Stove for working so hard to get that once onboard) and being able eat at specialty restaurants instead of in the main dining room (a menu which I am BORED of) was critical. Also, I didn't set foot in the Windjammer ONCE on the cruise, and that's something I'm thrilled about.

Thanks so much for sailing along with us! Unfortunately, due to the current circumstances of the cruising industry, it looks like a 2020 Christmas Cruise may not be a possibility. However, we've been exploring other ways to vacation together as a family during the pandemic, so rest assured - the Shinglebells will be reunited again!

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So great to see you back on board again!  Really needing a cruise fix.  Our May 2020 on Harmony was, of course, cancelled, so this helped me pretend I was on that cruise.  We had a ton of OBC that we used for the BP (at the unreal price of $18/day) and a day pass to the Coco Cay Beach Club. It was also enough to pay for our internet.  Oh well...easy come easy go!  You're not the first person to complain about the spinning guy at the Aqua Show!  Now I'm glad we missed him.

 

So to make up for no 2020 cruise, we've booked two for April-May 2021.  Fingers crossed, we'll be able to sail!

 

Don't be a stranger!

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Thank you for a great review I really needed that.  We actually were able to make our 2020 cruise  March 7-14 on Symphony of the Seas it's last cruise.  We were a little worried taking the cruise but at that time RCL was not offering anything if you cancelled at the last minute.  The cruise was great but there was so much chatter going on that by the end of the cruise I was happy to get off the ship and go home.  After 11 days at home we received a email from Royal telling us to quarantine for 14 days (3 days to go) as someone had tested positive on the ship.  About a week later we were all on lock down.  Sure hope we get to cruise again some day.    

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