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31 minutes ago, westmount said:

If you booked 20 months ago, you are not part of what the discussion was about. My writing skills are not as polished as they should be , but the worry was that with passengers not booing or canceling, Seabourn would be selling space to the large discounters who sell last minute rooms at large discounts. Good for people who live in port cities , but not necessarily great for the “brand”

  I don’t want to generalize, but the word is those passengers are the most demanding, sometimes abusive, consumption driven passengers on board , with bottles being removed as well as anything that can be packed on the way out. 
  This comes from staff, so don’t shoot the messenger, and my point was discounting isn’t really isn't in the best interest of the brand, but business does what it has to sometimes, just mini add on voyages don’t mix well with scheduled journeys. Let’s just say for many reasons I’ll be happy to be departing in Perth. 
 If you think in terms of the old days when everyone had points to fly on planes that were full , and even if you booked 364 days in advance there was exactly one free seat available, we all can be facing future cruise credits on cruises we don’t want to go on in rooms categories we don’t like. 
  Take two ships out of circulation and voila, rule change. At the end of the day, there are three companies controlling most of the cruise ships in the world, they will remember the port cities that refused safe boats, they have shipyards and countries that need their orders and they have us that like wha they have to offer, although their cancelation policies have always been one sided. 
  If you are elderly ( define that term yourself) and have respiratory issues, stay home and safe for six months.
 If you wish to move about, do so knowing someone you know is going to get the virus which means you might as well, and be prepared for the result, whatever that implies. 
  I’m not sure of the exact numbers, but my Canada has about 100 cases of the virus, half from the crown princess affair, so you can see the frustration from politicians. 
   I did see that trump ‘discussed’ help for the airline and cruise industry, together with the fracking industry and everyone who pays payroll taxes in America. 
  Not sure the cruise industry was at the top of the list, but it was on the list, good start. 
btw, checked out the other cruise lines boards, seems the issues are the same, go figure. 
  Today is day 10 at sea, five more to go, Broome, you’re looking might sweet about now.  

My apologies.  I misunderstood your original post.  I admit I am a little off my game as I work though all this with Seabourn, but I remain hopeful that all will work out!

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Seabourn Ovation has cancelled our Sri Lanka to Dubai segment. They said that its Dubai to Athens is currently "in review". Who here thinks that Seabourn Ovation's Dubai to Athens will get cancelled? Dubai is not accepting cruise ships now.

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40 minutes ago, germanshep said:

Seabourn Ovation has cancelled our Sri Lanka to Dubai segment. They said that its Dubai to Athens is currently "in review". Who here thinks that Seabourn Ovation's Dubai to Athens will get cancelled? Dubai is not accepting cruise ships now.

Would seem like it, will be interesting where the Ovation will go if Dubai is not accepting ships, slow sail to the region and hope something changes?

Interesting that sailing is under review but our Encore SL to Dubai cruise was cancelled for Apr 17 sailing, which is after the Ovation would be leaving Dubai.

So what was the catalyst for the Encore cancellation, India only closed until Mar 31 at this point, Dubai unknown but we wouldn’t arrive until you left. Had SL flipped and banned embarking as well? 
Probably a combination of all those ports with uncertainty, whereas the 2nd legs have a different itinerary altogether. Intriguing but wise.

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If CLIA were to ban folks over 70 it would shut down cruising.   They could also be sued for refusing passage to healthy 70+ year olds.    It would even be problematic if they were to require only those over 70 to have some type of medical certificate regarding health.   Quite a few passengers under 70 have health conditions that should negate cruise travel.

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What might be more interesting coming from the CLIA would be their member's plans to deal with the COVID19 cruise ship refugees if and when situations like Princess has found itself.  It seems to be so far, CLIA members have handed the problem over to the government of the country where the ship finally lands.  Take a look at what the California Governor said yesterday - and was hinted at by the Fed's.  I don't envy any cruise line and just yesterday cancelled a cruise on Odyssey almost exclusively because the issue of what happens "...if".   A very trying time for everyone.

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We are probably setting a Seabourn record, as I doubt there has been a Seabourn cruise that has had 15 days in a row without getting off the ship. The good news is we all feel safer out here than on land, with only five  more days to go before we kiss the ground in Broome. 
  Since we’ve been going in the same straight line for the past five days, I wake up to the same  scene at 615 am from my room and visit the other side at 615 pm for the sunset. 
tonight, there was a sock hop, with everyone dressed like James Dean with burger, fries and shakes for dinner. It seems everyone showed up for life’s simple things. 
given what’s going on around the world, getting off might be harder than staying at sea. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Westmount - thanks for the ongoing updates.  Sounds like everyone, guests and crew, are making the best of the situation.  It great to see that and read your reports.  I suspect you all with have a heck of celebration the night before your landing in Broome!!

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16 hours ago, Videopark said:

 

Look how simple and direct some cruise companies are doing:

 

"Holland America said it will offer all guests affected by the cancellations a full refund, a 50 percent future cruise credit and reimbursement of cancellation fees."

 

This is exactly what Seabourn needs to do if they want to avoid disgruntled customers.

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17 hours ago, Videopark said:

 

Look how simple and direct some cruise companies are doing:

 

"Holland America said it will offer all guests affected by the cancellations a full refund, a 50 percent future cruise credit and reimbursement of cancellation fees."

 

Another poster said HAl  owns Seabourn. I thought they were all part of the Carnival umbrella. Regardless, different policies across brands  of a company doesn't make sense IMHO.

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1 hour ago, westmount said:

. The good news is we all feel safer out here than on land... und in Broome. 

Given what’s going on around the world, getting off might be harder than staying at sea. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

I can see that both of these statements could be true!  Back here in the real world Mr. SLSD and I are trying to figure out how to make sure our mothers (93 and 97) do not get this virus!  It probably includes fewer and fewer visits from those of us who are out in the world.  Our plan was to escape to our isolated rural farm, but we still have responsibilities in the city.  Enjoy your time onboard!

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2 minutes ago, plane7c said:

Earlier today at a press conference in Geneva, WHO Director General Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus declared coronavirus a global pandemic.  

So many people I see commenting are saying that this so called pandemic is totally media hype.  The jury is out.  The real situation will become evident in due time.  

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5 hours ago, westmount said:

We are probably setting a Seabourn record, as I doubt there has been a Seabourn cruise that has had 15 days in a row without getting off the ship. The good news is we all feel safer out here than on land, with only five  more days to go before we kiss the ground in Broome. 
  Since we’ve been going in the same straight line for the past five days, I wake up to the same  scene at 615 am from my room and visit the other side at 615 pm for the sunset. 
tonight, there was a sock hop, with everyone dressed like James Dean with burger, fries and shakes for dinner. It seems everyone showed up for life’s simple things. 
given what’s going on around the world, getting off might be harder than staying at sea.

 

Which port was the last port that you were able to get off? Was that in Victoria, Mahe, Seychelles? 15 consecutive days at sea is a long time, longer than what most people on other cruise lines usually go on! Are you sure you will be able to land in Broome and not get turned away?

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We're scheduled on back to back Odyssey sailings starting 3/21 out of St. Maarten.  Not overly concerned about the Caribbean but obviously with Portugal having cases now, it will be interesting once we get across the Atlantic.  Anyone scheduled to be on Odyssey next week?

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7 hours ago, Ragnar Danneskjold said:

On CNBC the CLIA head implied restrictions on passengers over 70 are coming.  Also restrictions on health-challenged folks.

 

they are waiting for US government to sign on before announcing new measures.

I wonder how quickly this will be implemented?  We join a cruise on 3/15 and my husband is over 70.  We have to have time to get that certification so hopefully it won't be immediate.

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5 hours ago, plane7c said:

Earlier today at a press conference in Geneva, WHO Director General Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus declared coronavirus a global pandemic.  

Trying to recall exactly but I thought the WHO had previously said if they declare it a pandemic then it can no longer be contained. I thought when this happened it meant the end of quarantines and other isolation policies? However the news reports posted above state that there is no change in policy and in fact it reinforces the previous contaminated policies.

Who is the WHo referring to when it continually states certain members are not doing enough?

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On CNBC the CLIA head implied restrictions on passengers over 70 are coming.  Also restrictions on health-challenged folks.
 
they are waiting for US government to sign on before announcing new measures.

I noted it also includes more restrictions on passengers from other countries. I found it interesting they mentioned Japan considering the USA has already doubled Japan in number of cases and deaths.


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President Trump just announced a 30 day travel ban from Europe (exempting the U.K.).  It will be interesting to see how Seabourn responds to those of you with cruises to Europe in the next month knowing their US passengers will not be able to fly home. 

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3 minutes ago, Chairsin said:

President Trump just announced a 30 day travel ban from Europe (exempting the U.K.).  It will be interesting to see how Seabourn responds to those of you with cruises to Europe in the next month knowing their US passengers will not be able to fly home. 

Interesting, is it a 2 way ban? Does it ban flying to Europe as well? 

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