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11 hours ago, Cruise Raider said:

Plus, hopefully, they stop the push for us to share tables with strangers in the dining room.  

I think you are more at risk sitting in the theatre with people in very close proximity, and also in elevators, compared with sitting with others at a dining table.

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4 hours ago, Chipster2 said:

Booked on the Grand Princess in 4 weeks. If she sails, we will be on her!

I have re-booked my clients on Carnival as the soonest Grand could sail again is 3/29 ( 3/22 hasn't been  taken off sale but is within the 14 day quarantine period).

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On 3/7/2020 at 1:42 PM, RocketMan275 said:

You seem to be assuming once the ships are decontaminated, they will be safe.

And, after the 30/60 days, how do you propose preventing additional cases from boarding the ships?

 

The new Princess protocol:

 

If you use as examples what has happened to the Royal sailing Saturday and the Regal sailing Sunday, there is much to be worried about by the new protocols.

 

The Royal sailing was cancelled effectively by the US Government. One crew member on the Royal had come there over two weeks ago from the Grand which has had a virus outbreak and had still not been allowed to dock in the USA.

 

That Royal crew member had not shown any signs of illness for the more than two weeks and had not interacted before that with Grand crew who have been tested positive. Princess was unable to get a virus test on this crew member in a timely manner and thus the voyage was cancelled with (I assume) about 3000 passengers at the port waiting to board.

 

The Regal sailing was a;so cancelled effectively by the US Government. Two crew member on the Regal had come there over two weeks ago from the Grand which has had a virus outbreak and had still not been allowed to dock in the USA.

 

Those Regal crew members also had not shown any signs of illness for the more than two weeks and had not interacted before that with Grand crew who have been tested positive. Princess was notified around 3 AM that permission to sail again (and to dock in Port Everglades) was withdrawn pending testing of these two crew members. Wanting to avoid the Royal situation with thousands of passengers waiting at the terminal to board, Princess was proactive and sent out a cancellation notice in the middle of the night to embarking passengers. Princess was able to get the two Regal cruise members tested on Sunday with the results coming back around 6 PM Sunday evening.

 

Both the crew member on the Royal and the crew members on the regal tested negative.

 

The new protocols (link at the top of this post) call for enhanced screening of both disembarking and embarking passengers.

 

So if a disembarking passenger has a temperature or a cold or even the flu, what happens next?

o Will boarding for the next voyage be delayed while any such person is tested for the virus?

o Will all disembarking passengers who have not yet exited the ship be stopped until any tests come back?

o And what will then be done with the remaining passengers if that test is positive?

o Will the next voyage have to be cancelled as was done when a crew member with no symptoms the entire time he/she was on the ship could not be tested in a timely manner?

o Or will all the embarking passengers need to wait in the cruise terminal (possibly until the next day) until testing can be done and with a negative result?

o Will any required testing cause the loss of one day out of the voyage and thus in many cases cause the loss of a port (most likely the first one) on a cruise?

 

If a ship has 2000-3500 passengers disembarking, what are the chances that not one of them will have an elevated temperature, a cold, or other illness symptoms?

 

And what about the embarking passengers. The protocols say that anyone with an elevated temperature (for any reason apparently) will be denied boarding as well as anyone with symptoms that might possibly resemble the virus symptoms. So what happens next:

o Since that person had obviously been near others in the check-in area will anyone that had been near him be put in on shore quarantine and not allowed to cruise because they may have become infected if that person (without testing yet) was thought to potentially have the virus?

o What about passengers who had been near that person and had already boarded?

o Will the voyage be cancelled if testing of that person was not possible in a timely manner?

o Or will be voyage be delayed until such testing can be performed and come back with a negative result? Will all those who have not boarded yet be allowed onto the ship or will they have to wait in the terminal (possibly overnight) until the results have come back?

o Will any required testing cause the loss of one day out of the voyage and thus in many cases cause the loss of a port (most likely the first one) on a cruise?

 

Again, what are the chances that 2000-3500 embarking passengers will not have even one person with an elevated temperature or a cold or some other illness symptoms?

 

Will people be cancelling cruises just because after traveling what can be long distances to get to a port the voyage might be cancelled at the last minute because one person disembarking or embarking has a cold?

 

I certainly do not have the answers to these questions and possibilities, but neither do I think does Princess.

 

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13 hours ago, Cruise Raider said:

 

Plus, hopefully, they stop the push for us to share tables with strangers in the dining room.  

 

From the Princess Chief Medical Officer:

 

Tarling also said the company would advise its passengers to practice social distancing, such as sitting at least one seat away from their dining companions.

 

"It’s all being done fleet-wide," he said. "We’ve adopted these measures throughout our entire fleet."

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/cruises/2020/03/07/coronavirus-california-passenger-brought-virus-princess-cruise/4986296002/

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57 minutes ago, caribill said:

 

From the Princess Chief Medical Officer:

 

Tarling also said the company would advise its passengers to practice social distancing, such as sitting at least one seat away from their dining companions.

 

"It’s all being done fleet-wide," he said. "We’ve adopted these measures throughout our entire fleet."

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/cruises/2020/03/07/coronavirus-california-passenger-brought-virus-princess-cruise/4986296002/


To be blunt, this is ridiculous. The point of any cruise is to relax, enjoy and be social. Now every time some one comes close to us we have to move away? How does that translate to being in a lift? We can only to travel two (as a couple) per lift? How about at the bar? The Buffet? In a theatre? This is such a "CYA - blame the passenger" statement.  If that's the best any cruiseline can offer in terms of safety then it's all over. 

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2 hours ago, caribill said:

 

From the Princess Chief Medical Officer:

 

Tarling also said the company would advise its passengers to practice social distancing, such as sitting at least one seat away from their dining companions.

 

"It’s all being done fleet-wide," he said. "We’ve adopted these measures throughout our entire fleet."

 

https://www.usatoday.com/

2 hours ago, caribill said:

 

From the Princess Chief Medical Officer:

 

Tarling also said the company would advise its passengers to practice social distancing, such as sitting at least one seat away from their dining companions.

 

"It’s all being done fleet-wide," he said. "We’ve adopted these measures throughout our entire fleet."

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/cruises/2020/03/07/coronavirus-california-passenger-brought-virus-princess-cruise/4986296002/

story/travel/cruises/2020/03/07/coronavirus-california-passenger-brought-virus-princess-cruise/4986296002/

Does not make sense how are they going to control it in other areas? Like in the port when you are all sitting elbow to elbow waiting to board!  To princess cays when they shove everyone they can fit and then some on a tender to shore!

 

 

 

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Due to board Caribbean princess on 21st March. If we can get a full refund we’ll cancel.... not happy with the offer of FCC at the moment. We’d rather have the money back in our bank account! Due to travel with my in laws who are in their 70’s and they’re adamant they’re still going.

 

I feel like the point of a cruise is to rest and relax.... don’t think there’ll be much of that going on if we do go!! I also think it’s highly likely that ports will get cancelled.

 

I don’t fancy the idea of 2 weeks onboard without any stops. 

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4 hours ago, land lover said:

Just be prepared mentally.....

 

 

Exactly. Even with the best will in the world, who can honestly say that they would have a  relaxing vacation without having that nagging thought at the back of their mind that it could be their ship next.

 

Additionally, people are stating a 14 day quarantine but think how long David Abel has been away from home - way more than 14 days! Who would willingly want to be away from your family/home/friends for that length of time, in some of the situations we have seen? And remember, the US government statement has basically stated that you’re on your own if you do decide to sail. Hope these pax still continuing on cruises have excellent insurance (including pandemics/epidemics) as many cruisers on these boards claim they don’t bother buying it!

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The comment from the Chief Medical Officer does not entirely make sense. My immediate observation would be what are the staff going to do?  Going to make serving people a tad difficult I would say.

 

The cruise industry is going to have real problems if it is not careful. Princess have already found out, to their cost, that moving staff from ship to ship was not a great move.

 

There are a lot of people canceling cruises and whilst they will do whatever they can to mitigate this, saying that you must practice social distancing will not work on a ship! 

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Just a further thought from me based in some other comments. Agree that a cruise without any ports would not be enjoyable and the fact that you may not get off at the end!
 

We have until July to pay for our cruise although if I had to pay for a cruise right now, then I would take the hit on the money have have paid to our TA rather than have the potential for disruption when our 16 night cruise is just a part of an 4 week trip. 
 

 No one really knows right now how this is going to pan out and how the situation will look in a few months. 
 

Thoughts go out to all those who are directly affected and have lost loved ones.

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2 hours ago, Pushka said:


To be blunt, this is ridiculous. The point of any cruise is to relax, enjoy and be social. Now every time some one comes close to us we have to move away? How does that translate to being in a lift? We can only to travel two (as a couple) per lift? How about at the bar? The Buffet? In a theatre? This is such a "CYA - blame the passenger" statement.  If that's the best any cruiseline can offer in terms of safety then it's all over. 

Given that you’d have to be certifiable at this point to voluntarily step on a cruise ship with even the US State Department telling you not to, I’m thinking the social distancing isn’t going to be too hard.  These ships are going to be sailing three quarters empty with only the truly ignorant continuing to board.

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1 hour ago, Fido Chuckwagon said:

Given that you’d have to be certifiable at this point to voluntarily step on a cruise ship with even the US State Department telling you not to, I’m thinking the social distancing isn’t going to be too hard.  These ships are going to be sailing three quarters empty with only the truly ignorant continuing to board.

Good point! even if you are young and healthy, do you want to give this to someone who is not ? Relative,fellow traveler in the airport. You may not know you have it,because you are able to fight it off.I don't think anyone is ignorant, I just think when you are younger and healthy you feel nothing can touch you. We all did!

 

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7 minutes ago, Fido Chuckwagon said:

These ships are going to be sailing three quarters empty

 

 

Which begs the question, will the sailings be viable, profit wise, anyway?

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If princess offered us a refund we’d cancel. I just can’t afford to lose out on £7,000. Granted they’ll take it off of another cruise but I’d rather have the money back in my bank account! 
 

There’s over 250 empty cabins on our cruise at the moment. Caribbean princess 21st March 

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3 hours ago, Lauraa88 said:

If princess offered us a refund we’d cancel. I just can’t afford to lose out on £7,000. Granted they’ll take it off of another cruise but I’d rather have the money back in my bank account! 
 

There’s over 250 empty cabins on our cruise at the moment. Caribbean princess 21st March 


And that is exactly why people just can't bear to cancel. It is so much money to lose and I just don't want any FCC. Who knows what happens in 12 months time? We already have 2021 cruises planned. It's useless to us. 

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17 minutes ago, Lauraa88 said:

If princess offered us a refund we’d cancel. I just can’t afford to lose out on £7,000. Granted they’ll take it off of another cruise but I’d rather have the money back in my bank account! 
 

There’s over 250 empty cabins on our cruise at the moment. Caribbean princess 21st March 

Laura I understand that is why I book insurance  (thankfully)

for the time I fell and fractured three ribs ...ouch!  I also understand you want your money back ,I would too.

Anyway I wish princess would do more I am not worried about you getting sick unless you have other health issues. I worry about those you love who are older . You may not even feel sick but can pass it on. I do understand your thoughts though.

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22 minutes ago, Pushka said:


And that is exactly why people just can't bear to cancel. It is so much money to lose and I just don't want any FCC. Who knows what happens in 12 months time? We already have 2021 cruises planned. It's useless to us. 

Completely agree! They should let us cancel for a full refund. 

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11 minutes ago, Reader0108598 said:

Laura I understand that is why I book insurance  (thankfully)

for the time I fell and fractured three ribs ...ouch!  I also understand you want your money back ,I would too.

Anyway I wish princess would do more I am not worried about you getting sick unless you have other health issues. I worry about those you love who are older . You may not even feel sick but can pass it on. I do understand your thoughts though.

I completely agree. We have got insurance so would need to look into if we could claim. I’m worried about my in laws travelling because they’re in their 70’s

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5 minutes ago, Lauraa88 said:

I completely agree. We have got insurance so would need to look into if we could claim. I’m worried about my in laws travelling because they’re in their 70’s

I hope they don't I am 61 hubby is 72 although he is in better health than I am ..lol Whatever you decided may you be safe and healthy!

 

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37 minutes ago, Pushka said:


And that is exactly why people just can't bear to cancel. It is so much money to lose and I just don't want any FCC. Who knows what happens in 12 months time? We already have 2021 cruises planned. It's useless to us. 

If your future 2021 cruises are with Princess, you can use the FCC as payment, though suspect they may not be with Princess.

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I had searched and did not see this article posted.  Very interesting talking about the timeline on the Diamond Princess with interviews from some pax. It looks more at the events of early February in a variety of places and sources.  

From this weekends NYT so it is new and not a re-hash. 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/08/world/asia/coronavirus-cruise-ship.html

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1 hour ago, Pushka said:


And that is exactly why people just can't bear to cancel. It is so much money to lose and I just don't want any FCC. Who knows what happens in 12 months time? We already have 2021 cruises planned. It's useless to us. 

 

The money is already gone though.  What you aren't getting is the experience.  I also would prefer actual money over an FCC, but to claim you are "losing" the money is inaccurate 

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5 hours ago, caribill said:

 

From the Princess Chief Medical Officer:

 

Tarling also said the company would advise its passengers to practice social distancing, such as sitting at least one seat away from their dining companions.

 

"It’s all being done fleet-wide," he said. "We’ve adopted these measures throughout our entire fleet."

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/cruises/2020/03/07/coronavirus-california-passenger-brought-virus-princess-cruise/4986296002/

I think it's a good practice and if enough people cancel it shouldn't cause a back up in  the MDR.  This just sounds like a nightmare. I can't imagine enjoying myself with all of this extra necessary precaution along with all of the other scenarios. Like Land Lover said you really have to prepare yourself mentally. All those who say just do it are only considering getting the virus and not the reality of what may happen overall without even getting sick. 

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4 minutes ago, Iamcruzin said:

 All those who say just do it are only considering getting the virus and not the reality of what may happen overall without even getting sick. 

Correct.  They MUST have their vacation and have no other considerations.  

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