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20 minutes ago, sunshine 229 said:

I sympathize with your feelings but sometimes, when something bad happens, everyone has to feel some of the pain. 

If everyone tries to get all their money back right now,  it may just drive the industry into complete collapse with the final result that no one will get their money and the future cruise credits will also be worthless for those who were willing to accept them. If everyone would have some patience, we all might do better in the end, but I have lived long enough to know that calling for patience and some sort of community spirit is probably  useless. So many people will all just be thinking about themselves and getting their money back before anyone else does.

Been around for awhile myself..lol  I can only cruise once a year like others now have to watch my retirement money 🙂 I did not have a cruise booked but i still think they should return peoples money. Some people have to put in for vacation way ahead of time my job was like that!  Plus flights and hotel! to be honest not really concerned about their company .

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2 hours ago, Fido Chuckwagon said:

I also hate to be the Debbie Downer here but these FCC's are likely not going to be worth the paper they are printed on in 6 months.  These cruise companies are on a one way train to bankruptcy right now.  They're all highly leveraged and it is looking increasingly unlikely that they will be able to survive.  The stock prices of the cruise companies just continue to crater day after day.  

 

Money is almost free now, someone will buy them for their assets as many of us will cruise again, but not now, LOL

 

Like the banks a few years ago, and airlines, the business is huge and profits there, they won't go bankrupt, that is real sky is falling thinking, but COVID19 will kill millions by next year that is a certainty!

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7 hours ago, Pushka said:


And that is exactly why people just can't bear to cancel. It is so much money to lose and I just don't want any FCC. Who knows what happens in 12 months time? We already have 2021 cruises planned. It's useless to us. 

 

The FCC can be used to help pay for your already booked Princess 2021 cruises.

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It's hard not to feel concerned about catching anything this time of year so we decided to push out Mar 16th trip out till the fall.

It never seems to fail that we catch something after returning home in the spring. We figured why chance it especially when they gave us the opportunity to cancel without penalty. 

They'll be many more chances to cruise in the future. 

 

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4 hours ago, Fido Chuckwagon said:

I understand and feel for you.  With that said, you should maybe consider that you are falling for the sunk cost fallacy.  You aren't losing £7,000, that money is already spent.  If you were offered to cruise on that ship for free tomorrow would you take it?  I submit any sane rational person at this point would not.  Will you have fun on this cruise knowing that you could get sick?  That you could get quarantined?  That you could get the bug and not know it and spread it back home to your loved ones?

This is what happened to me. I chose not to sail on the February 25 sailing of the Crown Princess since my husband has high risk if he were to catch the virus. I had a Vista suite and it was over $6000, I had the basic Princess insurance to cancel for any reason, and rebook at 75 per cent of what I had paid and had to do by next year.   I do not want to cruise again with this virus now but I will lose all my money if I don't cruise again!  They should at least let you sell your cruise to someone else.

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2 minutes ago, kkmiausa said:

This is what happened to me. I chose not to sail on the February 25 sailing of the Crown Princess since my husband has high risk if he were to catch the virus. I had a Vista suite and it was over $6000, I had the basic Princess insurance to cancel for any reason, and rebook at 75 per cent of what I had paid and had to do by next year.   I do not want to cruise again with this virus now but I will lose all my money if I don't cruise again!  They should at least let you sell your cruise to someone else.

😞  Don't give up hope this may blow over and you can use your FCC. I do agree our health is more important!  

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On 3/6/2020 at 9:59 PM, TNhome said:

Just wondering, those of you on Princess cruises now, have you noticed a change in prevention of disease control?  What steps is Princess making now to prevent futher spread of the corona virus?

As always, wash your hands a lot. Use the sanitizers all over the ship. Do not touch you face. Walk a long distance away from anyone looking sick or the sneezes. If you have wipes. Clean your dining table with them, salt and pepper shakers. Anything that anyone may have touched that you will touch. In your room. The toilet lever and the seat. Again, anything someone may have touched that you want to touch. 

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No matter what you do on a cruise ship with people in close proximity there will be a transfer of this virus. Some people mentioned taping the vents shut, but whenever you open the door to the hallway you are inhaling air from everyone else. We have to breathe of course and we can't eat or drink with a mask on so have to remove them when dining. Even if you have every meal at a specialty restaurant where there is more distancing you are still being waited on by crew who could be infected. I know people will say you are not protected at home either, which is the case obviously but if you wear a mask when you go out, constantly use handsanitizers   and gloves, etc. you can better protect yourself. You can have your supplies delivered to home to avoid public exposure. This is not going away for at least a year if ever!  Take the precautions you need.   Whenever you go into a port again you are upping your exposure and everyone elses in that location. I forsee many countries closing their cruise terminals and we will be cruising to nowhere.

 

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Hopefully this will all be over by time our August cruise time is here. I feel for all the people who are having to put up with all of the problems created by this virus. On to my main concern is the people making decisions. Decisions such as letting people who got off of the ship in Ca. that had an outbreak and then board for another cruise thus probably spreading the virus. This cruise now cancelled. The practice of transferring crew, two from one ship which had virus two more to another ship now we have two more ships that are having to do testing of these crew members. Evidently someone at Princess has their head where the sun does not shine. I realize yhat with every thing that is happening now there will be problems, delays, people disappointed. Allowing crew to be transferred from a ship with virus to two other ships, I will really have second thoughts about cruising with Princess due to this stupidity.

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At the time the transfers were made from the Grand to the other two ships, there was no knowledge at all about a virus case having been on board the previous Grand voyage.

 

And the the transfers were made at least 15 days before the CDC said the other two ships could not sail, so that notice was past what any quarantine would have been for those crew members who did not at any time show any symptoms of any illness.

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I believe that this is a “new” situation.  I have no idea how they are handling it because I am not behind closed doors in their meetings but it’s a “new new”.  It’s very unfortunate but I believe that all cruise lines are watching and learning.  I personally have no problem sailing with Princess.  This was actually to be our first cruise with Princess and I have no doubt I will be using my 100% cruise credit...

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Stupidity?

Obviously they did not know when they were transferred.

It's great to sit here and second guess after you have more facts.

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10 minutes ago, brewcrew said:

I believe that this is a “new” situation.  I have no idea how they are handling it because I am not behind closed doors in their meetings but it’s a “new new”.  It’s very unfortunate but I believe that all cruise lines are watching and learning.  I personally have no problem sailing with Princess

 

Your post is spot on, in my opinion.  This is a new learning situation for all of us.

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6 hours ago, Iamcruzin said:

I'm also wondering what the over all experience on board will be. If the ships sail half full will they dumb down the buffets offering less? Will  some entertainment be canceled?  Will the over all energy be low key?  Will people be as outgoing looking to make friends?  We went to the supermarket yesterday and it's usually a mad house on Sunday and yesterday we didn't even wait on a long line.  We also went to the local deli for breakfast and there were only 2 other couples there. There is a counter line a mile long at this deli every day all day. Yesterday was unusual to say the least.

 

Those are my thoughts too...I can see staff cuts, entertainment cuts, food offering cuts and quality downgraded and much more.  Also, they could get like the airlines and start charging for things that use to be free.....want to use the gym....pay for the length of cruise, want to see shows....purchase shows for the length of the cruise....want reserved seating in MD.....pay extra....want burgers and piazza at the pool....small up charge....room service....pay for food and charge...they could just provide three basic meals a day and every thing else is extra charge....want to go to the Sky Walkers for nightly dancing...pay cover charge....this is basically what the airlines did to survive the last economic downturn.....

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I doubt that Princess, Carnival or any other cruise line would have knowingly placed their passengers and livelihood in jeopardy. 

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16 minutes ago, Colo Cruiser said:

Stupidity?

Obviously they did not know when they were transferred.

It's great to sit here and second guess after you have more facts.

 

It is called Monday morning quarterbacking.  

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2 hours ago, caribill said:

 

The FCC can be used to help pay for your already booked Princess 2021 cruises.


That would be good but cruises booked in 2021 are with Viking and Celebrity. Our Princess cruise was for this year. Not a big one but still money. However our retirement funds have taken a huge bash. I haven't dared to look at them but I know our dreams are fading. And sadly we might need to cancel cruising for a while as we won't be able to afford it. 

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If Princess is aware of people being infected and not taking precautions this would be on them, but otherwise what are they supposed to do?  Not all cases have been severe, so with the virus sometimes presenting asymptomatic or mild means there are likely people walking around all over with it. It’s not limited to Princess or the cruise industry even though the spotlight seems to be focused on them.

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53 minutes ago, satxdiver said:

 

It is called Monday morning quarterbacking.  

Yeah should have just posted that.

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Glad to see every one has an opinion as I did. Perhaps some wrong info on some of my statement, for that I stand corrected..  Although people in Ca. that came off a ship that had cases if virus were allowed to board for a B to B thus possibly spreading to another ship and causing that cruise to be returned to port. That is the reason for my remark about stupidity.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, hunt182644 said:

Glad to see every one has an opinion as I did. Perhaps some wrong info on some of my statement, for that I stand corrected..  Although people in Ca. that came off a ship that had cases if virus were allowed to board for a B to B thus possibly spreading to another ship and causing that cruise to be returned to port. That is the reason for my remark about stupidity.

 

 

 

Haven’t been following every ship, but could you elaborate. Ships and dates would be helpful. How would B2B cause spread to another ship?

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3 hours ago, hunt182644 said:

Hopefully this will all be over by time our August cruise time is here. I feel for all the people who are having to put up with all of the problems created by this virus. On to my main concern is the people making decisions. Decisions such as letting people who got off of the ship in Ca. that had an outbreak and then board for another cruise thus probably spreading the virus. This cruise now cancelled. The practice of transferring crew, two from one ship which had virus two more to another ship now we have two more ships that are having to do testing of these crew members. Evidently someone at Princess has their head where the sun does not shine. I realize yhat with every thing that is happening now there will be problems, delays, people disappointed. Allowing crew to be transferred from a ship with virus to two other ships, I will really have second thoughts about cruising with Princess due to this stupidity.

 

That's not what happened.  At all. 

 

PRINCESS DID NOT KNOW THERE WERE SICK PEOPLE WHO HAD BEEN ON THE PRIOR CRUISE.

 

No one knew that when employees were transferred to other ships.  No one knew that when the ship sailed for Hawaii.

Edited by Cruising Is Bliss

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53 minutes ago, Charles4515 said:

 

Assuming the virus is much worse than the flu (which I believe it is), it appears to be time to take more drastic measures to stop the spread of the virus.  

 

I heard an interesting interview on NPR yesterday about China's response to the virus.  The WHO Doctor interviewed praised China's response, and pointed out the response was tailored to the situation in each area.  

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/08/813401722/who-official-says-coronavirus-containment-remains-possible

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