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Japanese Authorities have refused entry to Westerdam, scheduled to turnaround in Yokohama (in lieu of Shanghai) on 15th February.  

Westerdam had previously been refused entry to the Phillipines.

 

 

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Just now, MMDown Under said:

Japanese Authorities have refused entry to Westerdam, scheduled to turnaround in Yokohama (in lieu of Shanghai) on 15th February.  

Westerdam had previously been refused entry to the Phillipines.

 

 

Serious issue, they might be floating around for weeks before a port will accept them.   Shades of ye olde Mary Celeste.

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25 minutes ago, NSWP said:

Serious issue, they might be floating around for weeks before a port will accept them.   Shades of ye olde Mary Celeste.

Any Aussies or Kiwis on board that we know of?

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38 minutes ago, NSWP said:

Shades of ye olde Mary Celeste.

Very good 🙂

But as you say its a huge problem.

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40 minutes ago, MMDown Under said:

Any Aussies or Kiwis on board that we know of?

One couple from Adelaide that a news article mentioned.

 

What a nightmare this is for the cruise lines - this seems to be going into the peak cruise season for some or all parts of Asia. Wonder how far afield the port bans will spread?

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I am beginning to wonder if it will hit the Chinese market now more than anything else. These viruses continually come from China. Possibly due to viral infected bats being caught and used as food in a market where people ate them, became infected and passed on the virus to others. The Chinese communist party in its wisdom decided to hide the truth, censor its citizens and punish the Doctors. As a result we are seeing the repercussions of it now. There are multiple civilised and clean countries in Asia that are worth visiting. Will the embarkation and disembarkation ports change in the future with no more ports originating or finishing in China. There are plenty of other options like Japan, South Korea, Singapore to say the least where China can be omitted completely.

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3 minutes ago, LittleFish1976 said:

One couple from Adelaide that a news article mentioned.

 

What a nightmare this is for the cruise lines - this seems to be going into the peak cruise season for some or all parts of Asia. Wonder how far afield the port bans will spread?

No, it's not peak cruise season there, it's still winter in the northern hemisphere so the number of cruises would be limited, thank goodness, compared with April to September.

 

Crystal Symphony has been denied entry to Keelung (Taiwan) which was supposed to be a change-over port in place of Hong Kong. They haven't announced where they will go next.

 

We may find a few ships unexpectedly arriving in our waters soon. 

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1 minute ago, Brisbane41 said:

I am beginning to wonder if it will hit the Chinese market now more than anything else. These viruses continually come from China. Possibly due to viral infected bats being caught and used as food in a market where people ate them, became infected and passed on the virus to others. The Chinese communist party in its wisdom decided to hide the truth, censor its citizens and punish the Doctors. As a result we are seeing the repercussions of it now. There are multiple civilised and clean countries in Asia that are worth visiting. Will the embarkation and disembarkation ports change in the future with no more ports originating or finishing in China. There are plenty of other options like Japan, South Korea, Singapore to say the least where China can be omitted completely.

Certainly short term but hard to guess what will happen long term. The cruise lines will go where the money is, I suspect. 

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1 hour ago, MMDown Under said:

Japanese Authorities have refused entry to Westerdam, scheduled to turnaround in Yokohama (in lieu of Shanghai) on 15th February.  

Westerdam had previously been refused entry to the Phillipines.

 

 

I wonder if this is because Japan has enough to deal with over the Diamond Princess quarantine?

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3 minutes ago, OzKiwiJJ said:

I wonder if this is because Japan has enough to deal with over the Diamond Princess quarantine?

That and probably other measures as well. Australia has banned people travelling through mainland China from entering out country. I suspect the cruise line would have to ban the same otherwise the Japanese would not want to take the risk.

 

They have Tokyo 2020 Olympics coming up in July and it is a big economic and national pride moment for them and they must protect their country at all costs. For them the consequences are bigger.

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1 hour ago, OzKiwiJJ said:

No, it's not peak cruise season there, it's still winter in the northern hemisphere so the number of cruises would be limited, thank goodness, compared with April to September.

 

Crystal Symphony has been denied entry to Keelung (Taiwan) which was supposed to be a change-over port in place of Hong Kong. They haven't announced where they will go next.

 

We may find a few ships unexpectedly arriving in our waters soon. 

Then  Australia and New Zealand will have to make a tough call and make a decision re disembarking pax from those ships that have been in the China Region.   I hope some compassion and humanity prevail and they don't get turned away.

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24 minutes ago, NSWP said:

Then  Australia and New Zealand will have to make a tough call and make a decision re disembarking pax from those ships that have been in the China Region.   I hope some compassion and humanity prevail and they don't get turned away.

So long as no one on board has been to china within 14 days  its won't be an issue - if they've cruised for a week or so coming south 

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2 hours ago, Brisbane41 said:

I am beginning to wonder if it will hit the Chinese market now more than anything else. These viruses continually come from China. Possibly due to viral infected bats being caught and used as food in a market where people ate them, became infected and passed on the virus to others. The Chinese communist party in its wisdom decided to hide the truth, censor its citizens and punish the Doctors. As a result we are seeing the repercussions of it now. There are multiple civilised and clean countries in Asia that are worth visiting. Will the embarkation and disembarkation ports change in the future with no more ports originating or finishing in China. There are plenty of other options like Japan, South Korea, Singapore to say the least where China can be omitted completely.

 

The only reason they're there to begin with is the size and value of the market.

 

As that market hasn't gone away, the reason to be there won't. They'll just work to find solutions to accommodate them (like they already have with special business/licencing and navigation protocols uniquely in place specifically for the Chinese market).

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It's really getting unpleasant for both cruise lines and passengers with the difficulties as they stand. Having to find a new country to disembark from causes a host of problems - and costs - for both.

 

NCL has just made the call to relocate one ship out of Asia this season, off to the Mediterranean.

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5 hours ago, NSWP said:

Serious issue, they might be floating around for weeks before a port will accept them.   Shades of ye olde Mary Celeste.

Closer to Voyage of the Damned! From the Wikipedia article on Quarantine "The word "quarantine" originates from the Venetian dialect form of the Italian quaranta giorni, meaning 'forty days'. This is due to the 40-day isolation of ships and people before entering the city-state of Ragusa (modern Dubrovnik, Croatia).This was practiced as a measure of disease prevention related to the Black Death."

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25 minutes ago, cme2c said:

Closer to Voyage of the Damned! From the Wikipedia article on Quarantine "The word "quarantine" originates from the Venetian dialect form of the Italian quaranta giorni, meaning 'forty days'. This is due to the 40-day isolation of ships and people before entering the city-state of Ragusa (modern Dubrovnik, Croatia).This was practiced as a measure of disease prevention related to the Black Death."

I love that you explained that. You win the internet for today.

 

There's also a city of Ragusa in southern Sicily.

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6 hours ago, MMDown Under said:

Japanese Authorities have refused entry to Westerdam, scheduled to turnaround in Yokohama (in lieu of Shanghai) on 15th February.  

Westerdam had previously been refused entry to the Phillipines.

 

 

A shame but to be expected.

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The Wagner Opera "The Flying Dutchman" is about a legend of a ship that "can never make port and is doomed to sail forever".   I wonder what their plans are.   As far as I know, there is no credible information that the ship has any coronavirus aboard.  So now the overreaction begins.

 

I guess on the bright side, if the ship is actually free of the virus it may be one of the few places on earth to be able to make that claim in the coming weeks.   Kind of a Noah's Ark, but with a casino and a bar....

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Crystal Symphony has also been refused access to Keelong (Taipei). They were originally due to go to Hong Kong but cancelled that port stop, which was a changeover port, and substituted Keelong instead. Now they are having to change again and all those passengers who already changed their flights once are going to have to change them again once the new changeover port is announced. What a shemozzle!

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5 hours ago, lissie said:

So long as no one on board has been to china within 14 days  its won't be an issue - if they've cruised for a week or so coming south 

Yes, luckily it takes quite a few days cruising to get from that part of Asia to Australia.

 

However that brings up another question - how long can a ship stay out at sea without refueling?

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12 hours ago, Brisbane41 said:

I am beginning to wonder if it will hit the Chinese market now more than anything else. These viruses continually come from China. Possibly due to viral infected bats being caught and used as food in a market where people ate them, became infected and passed on the virus to others. The Chinese communist party in its wisdom decided to hide the truth, censor its citizens and punish the Doctors. As a result we are seeing the repercussions of it now. There are multiple civilised and clean countries in Asia that are worth visiting. Will the embarkation and disembarkation ports change in the future with no more ports originating or finishing in China. There are plenty of other options like Japan, South Korea, Singapore to say the least where China can be omitted completely.

 

People will eventually forget just like SARS and besides China has major international tourist attractions that tourists are willing to forget an outbreak in order to see. WHO after the SARS outbreak did a report that recommended China start regulating their markerts and implement a slew of health and safety codes as they said that Chinese live animal markets are a perfect laboratory for breeding the next pandemic. One can only hope China listens this time.

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5 hours ago, OzKiwiJJ said:

However that brings up another question - how long can a ship stay out at sea without refueling?

 

Surely a country will let them disembark but if worst comes to worst any chance of refueling at sea😳?

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9 hours ago, OzKiwiJJ said:

Yes, luckily it takes quite a few days cruising to get from that part of Asia to Australia.

 

However that brings up another question - how long can a ship stay out at sea without refueling?

 

Too many variables to answer.

 

All depends on a) how much they have to begin with b) which is inflienced by what size ship/tanks do they have have and c) what speed they are going all the time/how many engines they run

 

e.g. if you look at a megacruiser size ship, they can likely transit with full tanks at optimal cruising speed (e.g. about 18knots) for about a month. But if tanks are emptier, that would be shorter, or if they're just idling and cut bank to spend time instead of go somewhere, time can extend much more.

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I would think they should be able to go back to the port they started from.

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10 hours ago, ilikeanswers said:

 

Surely a country will let them disembark but if worst comes to worst any chance of refueling at sea😳?

Most countries with large naval fleets have auxiliary fleet tankers for refuel at sea for their warships, probably could do it for cruise ships. Brisbane41 where are you ????

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